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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBlew it up to read it and totally blew a double streamer of mucus when I saw the "idiot" tucked in there.
When is this summer cold going to go away? Now my phone is yucky and I have to change my shirt. TMI?
Anyway, thanks Obama!
Gothmog
(145,481 posts)liberal N proud
(60,339 posts)It's always something like, the two parties are the same, they both do it and this one is really special and I am sure you have all heard it:
The republicans fixed it, but it didn't show results until the Democrats were in office. That one just makes me laugh in their face.
Boysterload
(8 posts)The only problem, I can never find the right answer to disprove their claim. It's always some trailing indicator BS they cite.
ffr
(22,671 posts)rented it and and blamed the Carter administration for the housing crash of 2007/2008. This was a year ago.
I had to 'WAIT, WHAT?' right to his face.
kag
(4,079 posts)Every time? Every single time? Seriously, every time the Republicans take their full term to finally get unemployment under control, whether it's a four year term or an eight year term, then it takes the next democrat's FULL TERM to show the effects? Seriously? I don't think there is a "trailing indicator" that exists that could possibly work that way.
kentuck
(111,107 posts)ain't it?
kairos12
(12,866 posts)down and blame the Dems.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Yallow
(1,926 posts)Of course our "media" won't show this graph......
progressoid
(49,992 posts)LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Salaries have never recovered since the 'Great Recession' of 2007, and unemployment among minority youth is still high.
progressoid
(49,992 posts)hibbing
(10,103 posts)Like if it was a Democratic president it would still be called the "Great Recession", my guess they would replace "Great" with the name of the Democratic president.
The Bush Recession
Peace
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)it's almost like they are purposefully destroying the middle class by taking away jobs, isn't it?
VWolf
(3,944 posts)is a left-wing liberal group
Ahem ...
MyOwnPeace
(16,937 posts)gets me SO pizzed off:
I'm almost 70 and the 2 largest impediments to my "retirement comfort" were the "Reagan Trickle-Down" and the Bush economy - with the Bush economy being the killer.
The crash of the economy during his fuc* - er, administration, wiped out the investments we had for our kids' education fund, plus, I got a retirement incentive that was destroyed in 2008.
I am constantly amazed that the general public can't look at facts and figure out what has been done to them by these corporate Repubs !
I need to edit: that should read "corporate Repukes!"
mahina
(17,691 posts)praying for it and working for it.
forest444
(5,902 posts)When one compares where the U.S. was in 1933, to where it was in 1953, you would think many decades would have gone before voters brought Republicans back. But alas, the power of corporate media.
Saving this to show to any 'jobs' voting Republicans I talk to.
Of course, I'm avoiding talking to Republicans to keep my anxiety manageable, but they still manage to show up occasionally.
progree
(10,911 posts)(Sorted from best to worst by average annual percentage increase in jobs. Republicans in red, Democrats in blue. Notice that -- with the tiny exception (0.02% difference) of Nixon to Kennedy -- and counting completed presidencies -- the worst Democrat has a better record than the best Republican). And actually, Kennedy did not have a chance to complete his term -- had he done so, and had he had the same job creation numbers in December 1963 through January 1965 as Johnson had (a 3.48%/year annualized rate of increase), he would have easily topped Nixon. [x I haven't bothered with the very small 2/1/13 revisions to 1990 and later (and possibly before 1990, have not checked carefully) -- very small that is until the Obama presidency which had considerable revisions, but Obama is not in this table yet. This table is in miscA.xlsm "Jobs" sheet. 3/7/15: Obama is up-to-date (I revised the main tables. But no I haven't checked the other presidencies)]
Completed Presidencies, sorted best to worst by percentage change:
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color= ] Average Average [/font]
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color= ] number of Jobs at Annual [/font]
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color= ] Jobs start of Percentage[/font]
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color= ] Created Term Increase [/font]
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color= ] President Per Month Millions In Jobs [/font]
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color= ] ========= ========= ======== ======= [/font]
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color=blue] Johnson 196,500 57.3 4.12% [/font]
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color=blue] Carter 215,396 80.7 3.20% [/font]
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color=blue] Truman 93,570 41.4 2.71% [/font]
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color=blue] Clinton 236,875 109.7 2.59% [/font]
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color=red ] Nixon 137,030 69.4 2.37% [/font]
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color=blue] Kennedy 105,059 53.7 2.35% [/font]
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color=red ] Reagan 167,729 91.0 2.21% [/font]
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color=red ] Ford 71,483 78.6 1.09% [/font]
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color=red ] Eisenhower 36,854 50.1 0.88% [/font]
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color=red ] G.H. Bush 54,021 107.1 0.61% [/font]
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color=red ] G.W. Bush 11,406 132.5 0.10% [/font]
INCOMPLETE Presidency. Below is Obama thru July 2016:
[div style="display:inline; font-size:1.37em; font-family:monospace; white-space:pre;"][font color=blue] Obama so far 115,500 134.0 1.03% [/font]
Remember, Obama inherited the deepest recession since World War II, which lost 4.2 million jobs in the last 10 months of his predecessor, and in the last 3 months of his predecessor was losing 753,000 jobs a month. With that momentum, job losses continued for the first 13 months of the Obama presidency -- through February 2010 -- totalling 1.3 million jobs lost during those 13 months.
Anyway, he looks on track to easily beat Ford by the time his presidency is over. That will make his record better than 4 out of the 6 post-WWII Republican presidents.
In the above table, the average annual % increase in jobs is a much fairer way to compare presidents than just the raw job creation figures in thousands because the latter is unfair to the earlier presidents who were working with much smaller labor forces to begin with. For example the number of job holders at the beginning of Truman's administration was only 38% as many as at the beginning of Clinton's administration, and 31% as many as at the beginning of G.W. Bush's administration. So Truman's pathetic-looking 93,570 jobs/month creation record turns out to be even better than Clinton's 236,875 jobs/month record when adjusted for the size of the labor force.
In raw thousands of jobs created, both Reagan and Nixon beat Truman. But when adjusted for the size of the labor force -- again, by looking at average annual percentage increases in jobs -- Truman beats them both.
Official sources of information for the above:
# Payroll Jobs: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001
# Monthly change of above: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001?output_view=net_1mth
# . . Hint: to see both of the above two together on the same page, go to http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0000000001 and click on the "More Formatting Options" link in the upper right and check the "Original Data Value" and the "1-Month Net Change" checkboxes and click the "Retrieve Data" button halfway down the page on the left
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)funny how that has worked
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)I love that Idiot was replaced for Bush's name, bawaahaaaa
Vinca
(50,300 posts)Why anyone of means would want Republicans in office is beyond me. They might save a little in taxes, but they'll lose a fortune in overall wealth.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)when all democrats vote, we win and win big without exception...so when the bad stuff happens, too many sat on the sidelines
catbyte
(34,423 posts)Awesome, devastating graphic. Thanks!