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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA great, and creepy article on going on a cruise for conspiracy theorists.
Bronwen Dickey, a really good writer for Popular Mechanics, recently went on a cruise called, I kid you not, ConspiraSea. As the subhead reads, "It ended poorly."
http://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/a21919/conspiracy-theory-cruise/
(Bronwen's a woman, btw, a fact not made apparent in the article.)
Warpy
(111,383 posts)I honestly don't know how she did it with a straight face or without bribing the chefs to put some ground up bootleg Valium into the food.
Oh, I don't mind casual, boozy speculation about who really had JFK whacked as long as people get normal again when they sober up.
This is just a little too hardcore, though. It reminds me of cousins when they go off their bipolar meds.
nolabear
(41,996 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)GP6971
(31,226 posts)Interesting read
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)LongTomH
(8,636 posts)I thought everyone knew that!!!!
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)"I learned from Laura Eisenhower (yes that Eisenhower family) that Hillary Clinton may have a supernatural agenda for world domination. "She's not even human," Eisenhower said. "You don't want to know what she is."
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)underpants
(182,949 posts)Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,858 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,390 posts)One from a Jezebel writer: http://jezebel.com/sail-far-away-at-sea-with-americas-largest-floating-1760900554
and one from a skeptic blogger, who posted more or less as it happened: https://violentmetaphors.com/2016/01/26/a-skeptic-on-the-conspira-sea-cruise-day-1/
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)who wouldn't go ashore in Mexico because "it's a lawless society."
yardwork
(61,715 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,020 posts)"Wonderful to have you with us," the woman said. "We're only now beginning to understand the quantum realm."
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,858 posts)... or working on it instead of a dummy like Richard Feynman, eh?
Math? Let's use our "feelings" instead!
ismnotwasm
(42,020 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,858 posts)It's too bad that their active imaginations are put to such poor use most of the time.
mainer
(12,033 posts)Wonder what would happen if the two groups ended up on the same ship. sounds like a horror film.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)nolabear
(41,996 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)A dimension not only of sight and sound, but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land of imagination. Next stop, the Twilight Zone!"
Thanks, Nolabear. I enjoyed reading this.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)They're going to end up sailing right off the edge of the Earth!
Oneironaut
(5,530 posts)Given what they believe, wouldn't that be a dumb thing to do?
Rex
(65,616 posts)which sank around the same time ancient aliens built the pyramids to hide the grain from cosmic Tribbles.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)clearly, an opportunity for the Illuminati Lizard New World Order Bohemian Grove Bilderburger Overlords to get all the dangerously awakened people who have stumbled onto The Truth onto a boat, to dispose of them neatly in the ocean all at once.
brettdale
(12,385 posts)I have a life long friend, who was was recently quite patronizing,
when i told him that YES I BELIEVE MAN LANDED ON THE MOON.
He told me, I wasnt living on this planet, if I believe that, and it was
made up to beat the Russian.
He went on to say the usual, the gloves were too big, the cameras
were too clear, and it was quite obvious that it was fake.
I would really love to find a article (from a science based site) that
debunks all the moon landing is fake talking points.
Great friend, but can be quite narcissist sometimes.
Anyone know of any great links??
yardwork
(61,715 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Like, try squeezing a ball for 10 minutes. Now do it for 6 hours.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)But that particular conspiracy theory drives me fucking bonkers.
There are tons of sites, but really the first thing to look at in my mind is the most recent incontrovertible 'evidence' (I put evidence in quotes because it's silly to even have to prove certain positions, like 'dinosaurs existed'), namely that NASA had an orbiter capable of taking high resolution shots of the lunar surface out in that neighborhood a few years ago, and they imaged several of the Apollo landing sites. (Thus debunking one old saw from that conspiracy, namely, "why aren't there any photos of the landing sites" . Descent stage of the LM, astronaut tracks and lunar rover tire tracks (where applicable) are clearly visible in all of them.
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/news/apollo-15.html#.V7rfEODr2Uk
Also, for the past 45 years scientists, etc. have been bouncing lasers off of the laser reflectors left by the Apollo astronauts, to precisely measure the Earth-Moon distance. These are not "all people in on the conspiracy", either.
http://physics.ucsd.edu/~tmurphy/apollo/lrrr.html
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/21jul_llr/
Here's how it works: A laser pulse shoots out of a telescope on Earth, crosses the Earth-moon divide, and hits the array. Because the mirrors are "corner-cube reflectors," they send the pulse straight back where it came from. "It's like hitting a ball into the corner of a squash court," explains Alley. Back on Earth, telescopes intercept the returning pulse--"usually just a single photon," he marvels.
The round-trip travel time pinpoints the moon's distance with staggering precision: better than a few centimeters out of 385,000 km, typically.
Targeting the mirrors and catching their faint reflections is a challenge, but astronomers have been doing it for 35 years.
For the "conspiracy" to hold up, NASA would have had to deliver these reflectors to each of the "fake" landing sites. They also, presumably, would be faking the LCROSS images that we got back a few years ago, etc.
Here's probably the biggest go-to site for debunking all these arguments-
http://www.clavius.org/
More:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/debunking-myth-that-moon-landing-was-hoax-1457501
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2014/09/18/debunked/
Rationalwiki:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moon_landing_hoax
("direct evidence" and "photographic evidence" in particular, which expand on some of the points I make above)
...one fun thing about this PARTICULAR conspiracy theory is that unlike ones based upon other past events, the evidence disproving it is not disappearing and getting more clouded by time but rather will only become more and more glaringly un-ignorable over the next couple decades. In fact, it's perfectly preserved. So it's a decidedly losing position your friend has taken, whether he has to face it sooner, or later.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)brettdale
(12,385 posts)Hi, thanks for all the link.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Currently, he's on Slate, this site hasn't been updated in years; but, it is a good source.
SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)to punch him out.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)but honestly, I can understand why Buzz had had more than enough of that idiotic fucking bullshit.
People devoted whole chapters of their lives to the Apollo program, and to have some Alex Jones imbecile constantly shouting "liar!" in your face- fuck those people.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)These people gather around because they want mental support. None of them is publicly throwing the gauntlet down and questioning the veracity of somebody else's claim, because that would be an invitation for your very peers to cast you out just like the rest of the world has already cast you out.
They are too afraid to engage in critical thinking, out of fear of losing the very last form of community they have.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,219 posts)I think I'd probably be begging to jump overboard after about 10 minutes.
Being stuck at sea with a bunch of Conspiracy Theorists is near Guantanamo level of torture.
hack89
(39,171 posts)nolabear
(41,996 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)the old 9/11 forum was a happening place - never a dull moment and plenty of opportunities to engage in complex technical discussions.
nolabear
(41,996 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)nolabear
(41,996 posts)It's bad enough when you play people for suckers but when you're barking mad and they still follow you...oh wait; I forgot about the election.