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Mc Mike

(9,115 posts)
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 06:04 PM Aug 2016

dRumpf mastering the art of going in polar opposite directions, simultaneously.

1) It's not actually fooling anyone around here, but this tactical phenom has been manifested in a pronounced way since the 'Amplification of slash expansion of slash contraction of' his Muslim ban in late July:

"Donald Trump said his latest proposal to stop immigration "from any nation that has been compromised by terrorism" is an "expansion" of his blanket ban on Muslims, in an interview aired Sunday.

"I actually don't think it's a rollback. In fact, you could say it's an expansion," Trump told NBC's Chuck Todd on "Meet the Press." "I'm looking now at territory. People were so upset when I used the word Muslim. Oh, you can't use the word Muslim. Remember this. And I'm OK with that, because I'm talking territory instead of Muslim." " From TomCaDems's 7/24 o.p.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1529709

He and his merry band of campaign surrogate mutants take both sides of the issue. He wants credit for not being insane and unconstitutional, and wants to tell the people who love him for being insane and unconstitutional that he's still on their side, is as crazy and anti-democracy as ever before.

2) Does he ever apologize, or feel like he needs to apologize? Yes. And No. He's stated frequently that he never has, never will, and doesn't think he has anything to apologize for. He tells it like it is, blunt unvarnished truth. His fans love it. Then he apologized on the campaign stage, to a generic anyone (everyone) who feels offended by any of the zillion sheisskopfian things he's said. He's winking and nodding at the fans who love his take no prisoners approach, while neither he or his campaign can think of one particular example that he feels bad about. He 'apologized' and not one of his campaign mutants will admit to one single thing he did wrong that the apologizing is about, hours of tv discussion with zero clue offered by any surrogate as to where l'il donnie thinks he stepped a bit over the line. He'll never apologize, and he made a total complete blanket apology, about nothing -- at the exact same time. He's running on never apologizing and his fans want him to have credit for apologizing, simultaneously. Sure to sway the independents, right?

3) He's on the record as saying that Putin will never go into Ukraine, believe him, write it down. And they're already in Ukraine, in Crimea, he definitely already knows that, it's horrible and it's all Obama's fault, because the dems're horrible. And he's in favor of Russia taking over Ukraine, because that's what the people want, so the Crimean annexation is great. And he loves Putin, and doesn't know him at all. He's fake rattling his saber at Russia while parroting Putin pravda talking points, simultaneously.

4) He loves Putin, and runs on wanting to attack the entire world, his followers are on board with the second part, aquiescent about the first part. He has a ton of opaque relationships with Putin, and has issued tons of belligerent hyper aggressive statements about a dRumpf foreign policy for everywhere except for Russia, North Korea, killers from Chinese Tiananman Square, and the now dead Saddam Hussein. But now, SIMULTANEOUSLY, we get to hear that the real danger is Clinton's financial ties to Putin, his opponent is besties with Putin, not him, though, he doesn't trust Putin, doesn't want Putin's influence exerted inside our government. Nevertheless, we're getting to also hear SIMULTANEOUSLY about the extreme danger Clinton's belligerent anti-russian stance is to world peace, he's got a kinder gentler foreign policy, diplomacy is always best, and she's going to start a war with Russia due to her overheated cold war rhetoric, but she's weak, don't forget THAT. She's going to start a nuclear war, sez the guy who wants to give Japan and Saudi Arabia nukes, and who wants to know why we can't use them if we have them. Russia is good when it's with him, it's evil when it influences Clinton, Clinton is bad because she's too strong on foreign policy, but she's bad because she's too weak on foreign policy. Her diplomacy is bad, her lack of diplomacy is bad. Her financial ties make her a pawn of Putin, who dRumpf thinks is the greatest thing since sliced wonder bread, and also he's fully within his rights to have hundreds of hinky financial connections to Putin's russia, that he won't disclose. He's sticking to his guns on that.

5) Campaign expansion, or Manafort out? How about both. How bout we give you a woman campaign manager, who spends all her time attacking womens' rights? Tax returns released? Yes. And No, never. Debates? He can hardly wait, and might just skip them. He wants the Black and Hispanic vote, while doing everything possible to reassure his 'aryan' base simultaneously.

I could dredge some more of these up from the recesses of my memory, but the concept is solid enough without more examples. He wants to present a rorschach image for his flunky followers where they can see exactly what they want when they look at him and his statements, and simultaneously wants to betray everything his followers love about him, to reassure extremely low info independents, so they can look at rorschach donnie and see what they need to see to back him, too.

The schroedinger's cat campaign, from the uncertainty-principled politician. Gee, he sucks. And so do they.

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Maeve

(42,297 posts)
2. This is part of the problem of his mass media campaign
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 06:21 PM
Aug 2016

Everyone hears everything he says and he can't whisper "Don't worry, I'm really on your side" to individuals. We all get to see what's going on, on all the news shows. And you really can't fool all of the people all of the time, try tho he will.

Mc Mike

(9,115 posts)
5. Agreed. He can't fool all the people all the time.
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 08:41 PM
Aug 2016

He can't fool the people who hear everything he says, because they're better informed, but he appears to be trying to say opposite things to different audiences, though of course his non-nazi stuff is done with a wink and a nod to his base.

I don't have a run down on which audience is targeted and when, with each of his polar opposite statements, but would be interested to see the pattern that emerges from a study about that.

WheelWalker

(8,956 posts)
3. "His candidacy is in a state of quantum ambiguity, in which
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 06:35 PM
Aug 2016

he is simultaneously the candidate and not the candidate, and which will be resolved at some random future date when he decays into two down-bogons and a bunch of goobinoes."

Props to bemildred at post #15 http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027937338

Mc Mike

(9,115 posts)
9. Maddow's 12/20/16 show recently covered the Shroedinger's cat angle on dRumpf's incoming admin.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 11:58 AM
Dec 2016

So the repuglinazis are using the same tactic to govern as they used to run for office.

dRumpf Treasury Sec. pick Mnuchin announced "we got to get Fannie and Freddie out of governmental ownership", and immediately their stock prices took a huge jump, a 50% increase in value. One appointee "says something, and the stock takes off like a rocket."

"If you're president elect, you could make a LOT of money if you sent your people out to make pronouncements like that, while you held investments that could benefit from the impact of their words."

"dRumpf's financial disclosure statement he filed (instead of releasing his tax returns) shows that he has between 3 and 15 million dollars invested in a hedge fund that has bet heavily on the expected privatization of Fannie and Freddie."

"Now that we know dRumpf may have gotten a huge personal financial boost from his Treasury nominee's public pronouncement, the Prez elect is not commenting about whether he still holds that investment. The NYT (Matt Goldstein and Alexandra Stevenson, 12/19) asked the transition team about it, and dRumpf flack Jason Miller said "We're not sharing any additional information at this time." "

"Maybe the prez elect sold that stock months ago, or maybe he made a TON of money when his Treasury nominee said that. We don't know, we're not allowed to know."

(All quotes from Maddow.)

Of course, over sharing info by using public pronouncements is how the incoming admin made the stock situation occur. Now that they created the situation with their big mouths, the dRumpf admin has decided they're not going to share any info, at all.

That's 2 Shroedinger's cat moves in one incident.

Mc Mike

(9,115 posts)
7. Conway running dRumpf on a new immigration enforcement policy pivot, then immediately Eric dRumpf
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 12:39 PM
Aug 2016

shows up to tell Fox news the pivot doesn't exist, reassuring Fox viewers with promises of an upcoming dRumpf pronouncement at an immigration policy speech in Colorado this thursday 8/25. Then the speech gets cancelled.

Running in polar opposite directions, simultaneously.

Re: Kellyanne Conway, I notice that dRumpf has her, Kayleigh McEnany, and Katie McHugh from breitbart pushing him. Originally, I thought, he has a bunch of cute Irish ladies around him, but after hearing them talk, I think dRumpf has a bunch of nazi Irish ladies around him, which is much less cute. Did dRumpf U have a department chaired by Christine O'Donnell, that cranked these nazi Irish ladies out? This kind of stuff offends my own Irish sensibilities.

Mc Mike

(9,115 posts)
8. Maddow vs. Conway, 8/24,
Thu Aug 25, 2016, 10:45 AM
Aug 2016

About dRumpf's total ban on all Moslems entering US --

"There's a reason that we keep, again, not moving on from this stuff. In December, when he made this statement, every political firework in the country went off all at once, because nobody could believe that somebody was running for President of this country by promising that if you are of a specific religion you're no longer to come here.."

"And I ... (unintelligible crosstalk from Conway)"

".. and if that's no longer the case, that would be a really big deal. But it can't be that we're not supposed to hold him accountable for that statement anymore but he hasn't rescinded it. In the same way that his statement of regret, if it's meant to apply to the Khan family, the Curiel family, we can't give him credit for that unless he actually tells us, and tells us he's communicated that to the Curiel family and the Khan family. The thread that ties these things together is that this is all stuff of his own making, and if you want the campaign to not be about this stuff anymore it seems to me like (pause) he's the one who has to end all these controversies by telling us what he really means. You're in a position of trying to defend what he said last week and not refer to what he said in December, but, only one of them can be true."

"Well Rachel, I have (pause) memorized a list of 22 flip flops that Hillary Clinton has blah blah..."

So Rachel capped her truly damaging though short observation to Conway by esentially saying 'Your guy is a straight talker, blunt spoken and beloved for it, says it simply, tells it like it is, short words, short sentences, absolutes, very clear, fourth grade reading level, is out in public mouthing off all over the media all the time, and he won't say publicly what he simply means. You're his campaign manager, don't you have any input into the campaign, doesn't he tell you simply what he means, can't you clear up these simple questions? No? Why can't he?' Conway is the face of dRumpf's Moslem ban pivot and is engaged on Maddow in defending the total ban statement, saying it is still operative, and simultaneously promoting the pivot. Of course, dRumpf is already on record saying that his buddies and investors in the Saudi ruling and financial class 'will get in, believe him' despite his total ban advocacy.

I watched Conway filibuster on Don Lemon's CNN show. It was a 3 on 3 panel, her, Lewandowsky, one of dRumpf's Black reverends, and Van Jones and two other Dems. She went on and on like the energizer rabbit, half of the story was Clinton's scandals, and the other half was castigating the media for not covering Clinton's scandals and not allowing her side to tell everyone their point of view. She blabbed on and on, sitting beside dRumpf employee and CNN employee Lewandowsky on CNN, attacking CNN for not airing her side's viewpoint. While she was engaged in airing it.

Maddow pinned her down in five sentences and defused her filibuster approach, an approach she uses to attempt to run dRumpf's campaign in polar opposite directions simultaneously, she's the friendly smilie face side of the dRumpf campaign, and she loves the alt right brain eating nazi zombie dRumpf people from Bannon's side. Maddow told her that her campaign can't charge off in opposite directions, in reality, and she had absolutely no answer to that statement.

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