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Colin Kaepernick should play in another Football league (Original Post) brettdale Aug 2016 OP
Why? He should be free to express himself anywhere Laurian Aug 2016 #1
You'd hate NASCAR then. rainbobryte Aug 2016 #26
I do. nt JanMichael Aug 2016 #34
Maybe you should go to the NFL JonLP24 Aug 2016 #2
Fuck that shit! eom MohRokTah Aug 2016 #3
His opinion is as American as yours. Your need to exclude him based on your perception LeftyMom Aug 2016 #4
No one owes him a job in the NFL Loki Liesmith Aug 2016 #6
Professional sports are meritocratic. He got the job by being a better QB than Alex Smith, LeftyMom Aug 2016 #7
He earned one. Get back to us when you do. nt msanthrope Aug 2016 #8
You earn jobs in the NFL. The skill sets needed are possessed by a very few people brush Aug 2016 #15
I guess all Quakers should, too, right.... msanthrope Aug 2016 #5
I am not clear where you are coming from on Quakers quaker bill Aug 2016 #9
My daughter went to a Friend's School....neither the Pledge, nor the National msanthrope Aug 2016 #18
That seems likely true pretty broadly. quaker bill Aug 2016 #30
Why? For exercising his American right to be free not to participate in ritualistic jingoism? Philly-Union-Man Aug 2016 #10
A lot of Niners fans would agree with you KamaAina Aug 2016 #11
Why is your sense of national identity and patriotism so fragile that Downtown Hound Aug 2016 #12
Should Jerry Jones sell the Cowboys? blogslut Aug 2016 #13
Why? What makes the NFL so patriotic? HassleCat Aug 2016 #14
why on earth should they pay the scholarships back dsc Aug 2016 #21
Kap TrackFan12 Aug 2016 #23
The money goes to the football program and other sports if they so choose. Are_grits_groceries Aug 2016 #33
Yes it does, but... HassleCat Aug 2016 #35
Why? Because he has an opinion about something totally unrelated to football? cyberswede Aug 2016 #16
Silly GeorgeGist Aug 2016 #17
jesus christ... dhill926 Aug 2016 #19
Ah bloo bloo bloo blooo Brickbat Aug 2016 #20
He can only get that type of money in the NFL TrackFan12 Aug 2016 #22
He was drafted as a pitcher by the Cubs. LeftyMom Aug 2016 #25
Aw. Iggo Aug 2016 #24
Before anyone goes nutso on Kap underthematrix Aug 2016 #27
I think the country will survive gwheezie Aug 2016 #28
No he doesn't. Loki Aug 2016 #29
I wonder what the founding fathers would say? duncang Aug 2016 #31
I lulz'd KG Aug 2016 #32

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
1. Why? He should be free to express himself anywhere
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 06:55 PM
Aug 2016

in America. Frankly, I find the patriotic fervor displayed at sporting events a little over the top.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
2. Maybe you should go to the NFL
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 06:59 PM
Aug 2016

Many work extremely hard and don't threaten to make a practice squad or AFL or CFL. I think he should continue to do what is his best at.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
4. His opinion is as American as yours. Your need to exclude him based on your perception
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 07:06 PM
Aug 2016

of his otherness is a reflection upon your American values, not his.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
7. Professional sports are meritocratic. He got the job by being a better QB than Alex Smith,
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 07:59 PM
Aug 2016

at least for a while.

brush

(53,782 posts)
15. You earn jobs in the NFL. The skill sets needed are possessed by a very few people
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 09:07 PM
Aug 2016

That's why they make the money they do.

And btw, he said if they take away his contract and endorsemnets he'll know he did the right thing for him.

We'll see if that happens. I admire him for his stance and willingness to give it all up if it comes to it. No one can say, with unarmed black men being killed by cops over and over, that his consciousness and concern for his people is not a legitimate issue.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
5. I guess all Quakers should, too, right....
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 07:31 PM
Aug 2016

I happen to think the 1st amendment is more important than the delicate sensibilities of the NFL, who apparently cannot handle the sight of a nipple, or a black man not saying the pledge.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
9. I am not clear where you are coming from on Quakers
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 08:28 PM
Aug 2016

the notion that all Quakers do any particular thing does not speak to my experience among Friends.

Of course all Friends would be free to refuse to participate, but I do not know any who are currently carrying a concern over the national anthem. We are a very diverse community, so there certainly may be some Friends who would join Mr. Kaepernick in this, I just don't know them.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
18. My daughter went to a Friend's School....neither the Pledge, nor the National
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 09:59 PM
Aug 2016

Anthem was done. I was told this was customary for Friends...granted, this was a conservative Hicksite bunch.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
30. That seems likely true pretty broadly.
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 07:02 AM
Aug 2016

I would not expect the pledge or anthem as part of the school day at a Friends School. If for no other reason, then out of respect for diversity. I am on the very liberal side. When in public I personally stand in silence for either one at this time.

 

Philly-Union-Man

(79 posts)
10. Why? For exercising his American right to be free not to participate in ritualistic jingoism?
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 08:35 PM
Aug 2016

And what does money have to do with it?

I see this stupid argument all over the place. If you make a lot of money you have to blow the flag. It's ridiculous.

Let him do what he wants, who cares? It's just not important.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
12. Why is your sense of national identity and patriotism so fragile that
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 08:42 PM
Aug 2016

a simply expression of one's first amendment rights sends you into a rage? People need to lighten up. Nationalism has been responsible for way too many awful things in our history.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
14. Why? What makes the NFL so patriotic?
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 08:55 PM
Aug 2016

Only a handful of players have served in the armed forces. How many of them have paid back the cost of their scholarships to their colleges? Do you think the taxpayers will get paid back for all those stadia? Lips service is cheap. If they are relly patriotic Americans, they will defend the constitutional right of fellow citizen to express his opinions. To me, that's what being real patriot means, standing up for someone I don't particularly like, or whose opinion is different from mine.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
21. why on earth should they pay the scholarships back
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 11:38 PM
Aug 2016

the colleges made a mint off of their playing and in point of fact have sold their likenesses and images all while banning them from doing so.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
33. The money goes to the football program and other sports if they so choose.
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 08:25 AM
Aug 2016

It isn't part of the general fund.
In fact, few universities break even on their programs. The schools support the sports.
http://www.acenet.edu/news-room/Pages/Myth-College-Sports-Are-a-Cash-Cow2.aspx
The universities do gain by more exposure and more interest from prospective students.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
35. Yes it does, but...
Mon Aug 29, 2016, 01:22 PM
Aug 2016

Most colleges never get anywhere near the big time. If they're lucky, they get enough alumni support and ticket sales to fund the money-making teams (football, basketball and ice hockey) and the rest of the sports program. More typically, they lose money, and have to chip in from student fees, or taxpayer dollars where that's allowed.

TrackFan12

(7 posts)
22. He can only get that type of money in the NFL
Sat Aug 27, 2016, 11:41 PM
Aug 2016

Kap has been playing very badly since the super bowl year and his time with the 9ers is limited

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
27. Before anyone goes nutso on Kap
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 01:35 AM
Aug 2016

I need to understand why a large number of white Americans are voting for mentally disturbed Donald Trump which is the most traitorous thing anyone can do to America

Help me understand that

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
28. I think the country will survive
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 02:32 AM
Aug 2016

I do t even know who this guy is but I'm pretty sure a person doesn't have to relinquish wealth to be protected by the constitution.
Remaining seated during the national anthem is very non tbreatening protest so I'm trying to understand what protest is allowed for black people since sitting, standing,lying down,gesturing, facial expression and hand placement during ceremonies seems to be out.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
31. I wonder what the founding fathers would say?
Sun Aug 28, 2016, 08:04 AM
Aug 2016

First the national anthem was written in 1814 as a poem. The Anthem it self was only recognized for official use in 1869. But wasn't made the national anthem till 1931. And really the National anthem is not supposed to be the reason people stand it's the posting of the colors. Legally speaking it's termed as "should" stand. They understood when they wrote the code pertaining to it there is a First Amendment consideration. And that also wasn't around when the founding fathers were around. It only made to the U.S. code in 1998.

Personally I think to much is being made out of it. I admire him for taking a seat. Being able to protest to me has is something that makes America what it is.

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