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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Fact That Trump Is NOT Down In The 20"s Proves How Sick The US Is.
Trump is so bad and so evil he should only be polling in the 20's. We are so sick as a nation than ANYONE who is such a prick is even on the ticket is a disgrace to the country. Any woman, any vet, or just about anyone who votes for this creep and cretin are just plain pieces of shit.
Every day is just plain disgusting. I simply cannot stomach any coverage of Trump. The media are nothing but a bunch of corrupt sell outs.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Driving through rural Georgia, nothing but trump signs. One truck towing a trailer had some pro-trump-antiHillary screed on the back of the trailer it was towing. Even had some electronic billboards with trump crap on them. As the song goes "Way down south in the land of cotton, old times there are not forgotten..." The Racist underbelly of America is on view.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)TNNurse
(6,926 posts)Just drove through a good bit of rural Indiana ( and not the southern part)...Trump signs, Trump bumper stickers and a "Trump Shop" on the side of the road, selling Trump crap...we did not stop but it looked like shirts, hats and signs.
Not excusing the South because I am a southerner, but we are not the whole problem.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)I see a few of Orange Fella signs in rural areas of the pacific northwest. I have to agree with the OP, I am angry his numbers are this high. We are sick but according to Bachman God picked him to be president.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)great hope.
Funtatlaguy
(10,875 posts)is basically the rest of Georgia.
Hillary will win Atlanta proper (but how big will Dem turnout be in Fulton/Dekalb?).
Savannah and Augusta will be interesting to watch. (Need huge black turnout there.).
The rest of Georgia is basically a redneck wasteland.
Georgia is usually one of the first states called on election night.
If it's called for Trump right when the polls close at 7eastern, it will be a typical election.
But, if they say it's "too early" to call, it will bode well for Hillary.
If they say, Georgia is "too close to call", break out the champagne.
If they call Georgia anywhere before 9pm for Hillary, go dance naked in the streets because we will win back both the the Senate and the House!
Savannah will go for Hillary. Don't know about Augusta and Macon. But Atlanta will be the key, as usual.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)bulloney
(4,113 posts)They're red with a blue pattern and lettering that says something about making America great.
I've also been seeing a marked increase in confederate flags flying on peoples' homes and on their pickups.
I have not seen any Hillary Clinton signs anywhere within 50 miles of my home. I've seen a few in Toledo and that's it.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)where do you live? Near Toledo?
bulloney
(4,113 posts)Ligyron
(7,632 posts)Hell, I'm even afraid to put anything on my car or property because Trumps supporters contain a large % of thugs and vandals.
and I live in a county that always votes Dem too.
Brainstormy
(2,380 posts)my car still bears the key marks from Obama's last election.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)CurtEastPoint
(18,644 posts)n2doc
(47,953 posts)Brainstormy
(2,380 posts)I live in West Cobb and belong to a large group of active Dems. Granted, Atlanta is much more cosmopolitan, but Georgia is changing.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)I've seen Hillary signs, but no Trump signs or flags.
Funtatlaguy
(10,875 posts)We are the Walmart shopper generation.
piechartking
(617 posts)It does my heart good to see it's becoming purple. We need to keep that going.
Also, unless Trump goes up 2-3 pts nationwide (doubtful), he won't win. The ground game, mechanical advantage that Clinton holds is too pervasive and entrenched. Trump is sending mail to registered Democrats and has 1/3 of the field offices that Clinton has (and not all those are even functional, working offices). His data analytics and targeting efforts are in the Stone Age.
sarae
(3,284 posts)and it makes me so, so, so proud to see Georgia turning purple. FINALLY!
apcalc
(4,465 posts)It is a squawk box , full of nothing.
The talkers have promoted the imbecile Trump from the beginning.
TV encourages our children grow up to be morons and idiots.
I am much happier now that I have left them behind.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)It is more than troubling that this is semi competitive at all. That tens of millions will vote for this crass orange loose cannon clown. This isn't a flawed corrupt but competent candidate like Nixon, this is a reality show attention whore.
How excited should we be to live in a nation with so many flawed, often racist individuals?
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)hell, that he is getting any votes at all ...
The potential this country has being squandered by indulging the cancer that is "conservatism."
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Probably by a pretty substantial margin.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)WTF is wrong with the majority of white people?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)that the racist underbelly, which has always had millions of voters who were ignored and UNDERESTIMATED for years now have shown that, to use the words of one of my all time heroes, "the chickens have come home to roost". I believe you are correct and by the numbers I come into contact with everyday who flush and lie about who they prefer or just out and out call Hillary corrupt and worse, I think you are correct in your assumption concerning thec Caucasian-american vote.
Yet thank god for liberals, progressives and all ,well 99.9%, PoC. We shall carry the day, barring massive voter fraud by that underbelly of racists in charge of voting, anywhere. That is the only true danger, I think. Bush 2000 and 2004 set precedent in stone. We must be the jackhammers.... and the true patriots of our United States of America.
AllyCat
(16,187 posts)24/7.
Here, progressive leaning talk shows, the morning drive to work radio shows, the news.
All of those who wanted alliance from the Sanders folks and independent voters need to stop talking about him and tell the nation about Hillary!!!
phylny
(8,380 posts)When I listen to Mike Signorile, I have to change the station constantly. I can't stand to hear Trump's voice, and I know how evil he is. I don't want to hear it. I want to hear about progressives.
Vinca
(50,273 posts)The Democrat should be ahead by 20 points.
AllyCat
(16,187 posts)Let's spread the word about HRC!!
Vinca
(50,273 posts)she's not someone I feel comfortable "spreading the word" about. Lesser of 2 evils and all that.
AllyCat
(16,187 posts)Understand why and how to express reasons to support her to other voters.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)But our supposed media is pumping him up 24/7. We are like a fart in a hurricane.
AllyCat
(16,187 posts)mention of HRC on the main page.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)I really want to see this..
First Speaker
(4,858 posts)...and I admire your fortitude. I'm incapable of watching this moron under any circumstances...
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)by a woman!
ileus
(15,396 posts)They'll then have no choice but to bow down and take the beating they deserve. (politically of course)
We've almost got their America stomped into submission once and for all.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)and leave society for good.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)is getting to be an obnoxious place to live.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)It's just freaking politics here that is so fucked up... I shudder to think us giving up and letting the inmates run the asylum.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)turn on AM radio, for one example, and it's disgusting, filled with lies, distortions and hatefulness.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)I am.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)have faded by now, but he has hard core support. He is unleashing a lot of hatred in the US.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)and the fascisti in the 20s. trump's predecessor also manifested a open contempt for liberal democratic norms.
Cary
(11,746 posts)That's a fact of life.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)why some union members that like the union benefits,higher incomes that membership enables them to attain but yet they will step into a voting booth and vote for a guy like Trump and the party that wants to take that all away
raccoon
(31,111 posts)and tell us to be glad to get that much.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)do the least for them or the country, like they're seeking some weird kind of punishment.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)Both sides do it. Conservatism is a mental disorder. Liberalism is a mental disorder. If each sides thinks the other is crazy, and more than that plain old stupid, people will just drift further and further apart politically.
That's what free time can do though. We can go deeper into our own abstract imaginations. We existed in small physical tribes of random chance for however much time back in the day. Today, we break down into smaller and smaller like minded tribes. Everyone has to think the same way about whatever the topic, and if you don't, you're insane, or can't be part of the group, etc.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Too much of conservatism has degenerated into a paranoid fantasy world based on BS like the idea that Obama is Kenyan muslim who founded ISIS.
I'm talking about people like:
Ben Carson
Michelle Bachmann
Louie Gohmert
Donald Trump
Sarah Palin
Alex Jones
And there is a crazy Uncle Liberty like this in almost every family-- i.e. a Trump supporter.
I'm not talking about all conservatism, but this bizarre fringe that does not exist on the left, at least in terms of the numbers or representation in government.
You can't reason with them.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)That's the prime mover of Trump's campaign. It's the common thread among his supporters.
phylny
(8,380 posts)in the prior election cycle, you couldn't drive two houses without seeing a Romney/Ryan sign. Now, there are Trump signs, but very few. Even here in crazyland, people are either not that crazy or they're not publicizing their crazy.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)There's no local campaign office from which people can get signs if they want them.
phylny
(8,380 posts)bus (former Tea Party "Take Back 'Murica" bus). So here, there's the opportunity, but not as many takers.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)It's Trump TV at this point. Free advertising. I only watch local news at this point.
What I would like to know is what can be done to crack into the giant shell of bigotry and ignorance that seems to be swallowing up more and more of rural America.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)territory.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... and never looked back.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)I can't believe that someone like Trump has any standing whatsoever. It tells me a lot about many in the US that support this damn fool.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)Trump knows how to work the media, and they have been willing to oblige him at every turn. His vile and evil character notwithstanding, many perceive him as a "different type of politician", "not afraid to speak his mind", and "willing to shake things up", attributes that do not reflect on the content of his divide-and-conquer message, but merely the style. Even the style is off-putting, but the fact that so many are able to get past his demagoguery and shallow bluster is a very sad and troubling state of affairs.
mountain grammy
(26,621 posts)Depressing. I've had to turn off the "news" because it's all about Hillary's emails, and now, Weiner.. American media has no shame.
unblock
(52,233 posts)many people just want lower taxes. they've been told that their only way to express that at this point is to vote for trump.
many people just want a balanced budget. they've been told that their only way to express that at this point is to vote for trump.
many people just want conservatives on the supreme court. they've been told that their only way to express that at this point is to vote for trump.
and so on with the usual generic reasons people trot out to vote for the republican ticket without giving much though as to the actual candidate.
yes, of course, we all would hope that they would say, "you know, i can still smell the stench no matter how tightly i hold my nose, so i just can't vote for trump no matter how loyal i am to the republican party."
but that's actually a rather hard thing for people to do. we've all been rather conditioned to put party before candidate, and the media really, really reinforces this. especially for republicans.
i suppose i agree with your conclusion that we've got a sickness if trump is polling over 20%, but i can't blame individuals so much as a media that long ago any sense of responsibility toward helping us pick a president based on competence rather than the ability to garner eyeballs and increase ad revenues.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)It should not be acceptable in 2016 to vote for anything like that in the United States. And nobody should have to live in a state dictated by people who would.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Sorry snark me all you want this isn't a normal American voting pattern
It is a disgrace and shows how many are either hateful or insane perhaps both
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2390876
I really don't get it And I am not trying to put the country down but really more people should ask how can his numbers be so high (although I was told it's not high ...but to me, anything over 20 ,25% is outrageous)
dembotoz
(16,805 posts)they would support hitler over hrc and maybe they do
CaptainTruth
(6,591 posts)FigTree
(347 posts)Add to that a solid 20% of closet-racists and you get his total. Note that for either group, content is nearly irrelevant.
That is the state of the union.
StrictlyRockers
(3,855 posts)StrictlyRockers
(3,855 posts)superpatriotman
(6,249 posts)For truth
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)This has carried him through all the other stupid shit he has done. It's all that really matters to the 40+ % he has and won't shake off. It's just the way it is in the country.
vadermike
(1,415 posts)He is tied now.. I think he may be leading after labor day and then the debates.. the media will assist him and the MSM ... will gladly help him during the debates... Hillary Campaign sat on the lead too long.. they pulled a Dukakis... he could still lose VA and CO and still win.. apprantly he is gaining in PA and WI and OH... we are in deep shit.. i hope Brooklyn has better internals than what we are seeing .. cause the way i am seeing it someone fucked up somewhere... i can understand some tightening. but to be tied and us starting to lose ground in WI etc... i dont get it.. this man is sick
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)If the media woke up, they'd realize they could make more profit from covering the Slow Motion Train Wreck that is tRump. All the lookie-loos who are very numerous and like to slow down traffic to gawk at accidents would watch in droves, for high ratings. That includes us, because schadenfreude and since we know that TV gawking doesn't slow down traffic.
Instead the media try to prop up a fake horse race. In the long run they lose much more than they gain this week or last week.