Attack dogs being used against native american protesters - Dakota Pipeline

[womanofthehills]

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Amy Goodman supposedly on site when this happened

Mercenaries Just Attacked Dakota Pipeline Protesters with Dogs & Pepper Spray (VIDEO)
Nathan Wellman | September 3, 2016

Private security guards working on behalf of the companies building the controversial Dakota Access Pipeline have reached a despicable new low. Video and photos of the pepper spray and dog attacks are going viral on social media.

https://usuncut.com/climate/dakota-pipeline-pepper-spray-video/

[jtuck004]

1. Genocide isn't enough. Now we, through our private contractors, are chasing down the rest with dogs

and guns, like they were punishing slaves fleeing through a swamp.

Native lives don't matter to white people. Never have, never will.

And dogs are even less than them, it appears...

Btw - the only dog I saw was a Malinois, perhaps a shepherd. Is that just a headline of ignorance? A so-called "pitbull", most of which are really indeterminate terrier crosses, would be a lousy choice for attacking people, since they are not aggressive towards people unless taught to be. They used to be known as the nanny dog because of that.

Just a note - bigotry in any form is hateful, and harmful.

[baldguy]

2. This is not a Pit Bull.

And the article you linked to makes no mention of them. Please correct the title of your OP.

[elehhhhna]

7. The Daily Mail has several pictures and you can see bully breeds

along with the usual German shepherds pictured above

[baldguy]

9. What they have in common is that they're dogs being directed by assholes.

Why single out one breed? It's exactly like remembering the too-big-to-fail bank's involvement in the 2009 economic collapse and saying "Well, there go those Jews again!"

[Nuclear Unicorn]

14. How about "assault style" dogs?

[baldguy]

20. Not everything is about guns, you precious little flower.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

21. Yes, this thread is about Native Americans, not dogs.

[baldguy]

22. Yet the OP wishes to make it so by slandering millions of dogs and their owners.

And you want to make it about something else entirely.

[elehhhhna]

25. Stop. You know dammned well that a 75 lb. Bully breed is meant to be intimidating.

Shepard and malinois are the dogs of choice for Leos an the mil. YouTube an Google can show you why. A malinois can jump over a dammned van. A bully can't. Stamina and athleticism wise it's no contest.

Carry on.

[baldguy]

35. Bringing a 75 lb GSD in to attack protesters isn't meant to be intimidating? Puh-lease!

It's the size of the dog that;s intimidating - not the breed.

And the reason Pibbles and other bully breeds aren't generally used by real security and law enforcement agencies is that the breed temperament is unsuited for them - being that they see a human target as someone to play with & treat as a friend rather than someone to attack. The only way to get them to attack a human is to abuse & torture them.

[elehhhhna]

38. They are more difficult to train for this type of work for various reasons.

Re public perception of different breeds, you're uninformed and out of your depth.

I don't care for bully breeds, because people are very stupid and they've mismanaged and exploited these breeds, creating some huge problems. And Leos using them as attack dogs does not help.

[Abouttime]

41. American Pit Bull Terriers (apbt)

Unfortunately have been bred for aggression for at least 150 years. Don't be a blind apologist for the breed, they are far from "nanny dogs" they are in fact bred to kill.
Dogs such as Zebo, Bullyson, Bolio, Eli, Yellow John, the list could go on and on..were what the dog fighters called manbiters.
These champion fighting dogs were bred thousands of times and their man eating traits exist in almost every APBT.
I find it funny that our cities are filled with these killer dogs "rescued" by ill informed but well meaning hipsters who in turn take these fuzzy 4 legged time bombs to our parks, beaches and public streets, these kids know nothing of what they've got on the end (if we're lucky) of their leash, a fighting dog that will eventually do what fighting dogs do.
The bully breeds in the video look like large blue mutts, maybe a neo cross or some kind of cane corso that's had a weekend or two of sleeve bite work and now it's owner is using it as part of a rent a mob, sad.
I hate to say it but the APBT needs to be eradicated, there's no place for that breed in a civilized society, the breeds apologists are lying to us and themselves and doing the dogs no favors.

[baldguy]

43. They have to be consistantly tortured & abused by criminals to become aggressive.

And those rescued dogs you so easily malign are THE VICTIMS of those atrocities.

Don't let uninformed & deliberately false propaganda about these dogs color your judgement.

[Major Nikon]

45. Nonsense

The reason why certain dog breeds are well suited to certain jobs is because they were selectively bred for the purpose. In fact, the whole reason why we have domesticated dogs to begin with is they were selectively bred not to kill us. It's just not that hard to selectively breed all sorts of tendencies, like aggression back into dogs.

If the narrative you are pushing made the least bit of sense, there would be no need to breed collies to herd livestock or breed retrievers for bird hunting because any dog would do just fine. It's not all about the training.

[Abouttime]

46. You're wrong

Bullyson and all those other man eating fighting dogs I mentioned were treated like royalty.
Read the book "Bullyson and His Sons" to see inside the world (sick and frightening but far from what we think of as run of the mill abused fighting dogs) of professional dogfight era in the late 60's and early 70's.
In other words these dogs are indeed killing machines, bred for no other reason than to kill another fighting dog. If the best dogs were also man eaters so be it, they won the money and they were bred.
The MYTH of the nanny dog must be disproven by getting the real history of the breed out there, our pets and children's lives are literally on the line.

[baldguy]

47. People who carry such fear, bigoted hatred & arrogant ignorance rarely have a rational worldview.

An honest discussion of the facts with one such is not possible.

[womanofthehills]

11. Sorry not all the dogs are pitbulls

I posted this late at night and the open jaw looked like a pit. I was just almost attacked by two pits two days ago and my old dog was bitten before I chased them away - so I just happen to be not happy with the breed right now - although I have known sweet pits.

[etherealtruth]

17. The story is important ... it needs to be told

Why not use the title at the link ... editorializing by using "pitbull" detracts from the important story.

Some of the dogs look like cane corsos .... regardless of the breed these dogs have been carefully trained as attack dogs ....editorializing in the title detracts from the important story

[elehhhhna]

27. Maybe Presas if female...

[duncang]

3. So far nothing on CNN

Having people attacked by a private security firm's attack trained dogs and pepper sprayed you would think should at least deserve a scroll on the bottom. Where is the media on this? Oh that's right they want footage of dipshit swaying and looking uncomfortable in a church.

[womanofthehills]

12. I just posted a link from Amy Goodman who was there - first video

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/9/4/dakota_access_pipeline_company_attacks_native

[malthaussen]

4. What is a "pittbull?"

The breed is not only misattributed, it is misspelled. The actual story is bad enough without throwing in extraneous silliness that can only undermine its credibility.

-- Mal

[elehhhhna]

28. Spelling gun wrong make s them no less dangerous

In the wrong hands.

[etherealtruth]

5. Horrific ... however, as horrifying and disgusting as the dog attacks are ...

(and as pointed out upthread).... the dog pictured and described is NOT a pitbull.

The actual story is horrific enough but why falsely attribute the violence to pit bulls?

[Lancero]

26. Some people need a 'acceptable' out for their racism.

[baldguy]

36. +1000

[NightWatcher]

6. They were attack dogs, forget the formal breed name from AKC

It's just the 2016 version of GOONS hired to attack the Natives.

[elehhhhna]

8. There are pictures of some bully breeds on dailymail.com

One that I saw looks too big to be what we call pitbull.

[malaise]

10. Good effin' grief

WTF is wrong with these people?

Where is the Federal Government?

[etherealtruth]

13. Enabling them :-(

[Nuclear Unicorn]

15. "Where is the Federal Government?"

Who do you think wrote the leases and the law defining the company's powers and rights under those lease agreement?

[riderinthestorm]

24. The govt approves of this pipeline. Native American protests against this stuff usually end badly

I'm sickened, and ashamed to see the NA protesters attacked but utterly unsurprised.

[ciaobaby]

33. Nothing from our president or president to be - shameful.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) came out against the pipeline on Thursday, saying, “Regardless of the court’s decision, the Dakota Access pipeline must be stopped

[ehrnst]

16. Not just Pit Bulls, German Shepherds and Hound mixes - don't demonize a breed

Demonize the god-damned animal abusers who have trained them to attack.

There is a reason that Police use Malinois and Shepherds - they are focused and are more willing to attack humans on the order of a human. Pit Bulls are not good attack dogs, because they love humans unless trained specifically to be aggressive, along with having a shorter attention span..

Any Pit that is aggressive to humans has been abused.

[womanofthehills]

19. The problem is many pits have lousy owners

[SMC22307]

40. Many dogs have lousy owners.

I haven't experienced "pit bull" violence, but have witnessed an insane Cairn Terrier take a chunk out of someone's calf, and a German Shepherd bite someone -- not a stranger -- in the face. Oh, then there's that mean little neighborhood dachshund we all tried to avoid...

Why haven't you edited your headline?

[Abouttime]

42. You're flat out wrong

Man biting 'pits' or APBT as they are correctly called are common. Google 'bullyson'
The dog literally had his balls bred off, almost every APBT carries his blood, man biting blood.
Just because your dog came from a shelter doesn't mean it doesn't carry this trait. The APBT was bred for nothing BUT fighting for over 100 years, man biters were common and if they won they were bred. It does the dogs no good to ignore their history, without knowledge of the history you can't understand the breed. Unfortunately the MYTH that pit bulls do not bite humans is shown as fallacy almost as often as the lie that 'guns don't kill people'.

[ehrnst]

57. Golden Retrievers have a higher score of aggression towards humans than Am Staffs

Pits are bred to bond with humans - not other dogs. They are bred not to attack a human that jumps in to pull them off of the bull, other dogs, whatever they see as 'prey.' Humans are not naturally prey to them, they must be trained - either on purpose or through abuse - to veiw humans as prey or a threat.

http://dogtime.com/dog-health/general/1220-american-pit-bull-terrier-temperament-dog-bites

http://www.dogtemperament.com/pitbull-temperament-aggressive/

And so many "pit bull" incidents don't involve pit bulls at all. People have problems distinguishing pit bulls from other breeds:

http://naplesnews.polldaddy.com/s/can-you-identify-a-pit-bull

Dachshunds are far more aggressive than Pit Bulls - but they are small, and can't do as much damage with their jaws as a larger dog - but they have been known to kill infants: https://petolog.com/articles/most-aggressive-dogs

Any large dog is a potential danger, simply because of the jaw size - the pit is muscular, and bred to hang onto a bull, so even if another dog starts a fight with a pit bull, the pit has the potential to do more damage than an agressive dog of equal size.

I hope that this clarifies some of the misinformation that you have read or heard.

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. Pitties get the job done.

[G_j]

23. I get that Pitbull in the headline is misleading, however,

damn it! take a moment to reflect on what is happening there!

[womanofthehills]

48. I'm totally sorry I put pitbull in the headline - my big mistake because

people are focusing on the dog breed and not what is happening to the protesters. I made a separate OP this morning about Amy Goodman's video that I later posted on DU and very few people responded. Native Americans being attacked (very few comments )- pit bulls (lots of comments) Attack dogs released into a crowd containing children - who the f**k does this? Oil companies I guess.

There is no way there will not be a spill because the industry is known for sloppy welds and their record is abysmal .

Quote from Naatani Means, "I watched DAPL private security bring HUGE VICIOUS badly trained attack dogs out on women and children!! They released the dogs as we were pushing them back and forcing them to leave. The dogs ran into the crowd and attacked a woman, bit her on the chest, and the leg, then one dog went after a horse and the horse kicked it. But he still made the horse bleed. More people were attacked and they pepper sprayed people in the front. One dog even turned on his owner and bit him three times, they were frightened animals. It's hard to reframe my anger as I write this. And it's hard for me not to cuss, but I will say today we forced them to stop AGAIN. And to those cowards working security, things come full circle, and I hope you get what's coming to you by the great mystery. You released dogs into a crowd of unarmed peaceful protectors. Today was a win. But tomorrow is still a fight. Pray for the frontline." - from Lakota Voice Facebook

[Jeffersons Ghost]

29. K&R

[get the red out]

30. The people doing this should be arrested

They should be in jail with felony charges.

[Warpy]

31. There are whole families out there with their kids

Fucking greed heads need to back the hell off.

[True Dough]

32. Sad that a thread about the disgraceful and inhuman treatment

of Native Americans has largely turned into a debate over dog breeds and aggression. Another symptom of a broader problem.

Sounds like things have turned really ugly in North Dakota. I hope the violent offenders are brought to justice.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/09/04/Police-Dakota-Access-pipeline-protest-turns-violent-site-stampeded/8381473002285/

[ciaobaby]

34. hit the nail on the head !

How this became a dog thing is beyond me.

I also want to know where our president and president to be are ???? The silence speaks volumes.

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) came out against the pipeline on Thursday, saying, “Regardless of the court’s decision, the Dakota Access pipeline must be stopped

[baldguy]

37. Because the OP refuses to correct the misleading thread title.

It's an indication of another agenda at work.

[womanofthehills]

49. Sorry - I posted the same story later with a different title and hardly anyone responded

so I'm leaving the f**king pitbull word in and guess what - people look at the post. That is why I did not go back and correct it.

Vicious dogs attacking woman and children is what the story is about. People having the right to clean water. Oil companies ruining the environment.

There is no "other agenda" - KinderMorgan wanted to put a CO2 pipeline through my land and my neighbors and our whole community fought them for a year - meetings every f**king week, raising money, hiring lawyers until KM dropped the project (for now) because of the drop in oil prices. Our webpage http://www.resistiendo.org/ Having to deal with oil companies, I sympathize big time with what the Native American people are facing - we are the little guys and they want to f**k us over. Well guess what, there is definitely power in numbers.

And if you get in front of their machinery, they will take you to court and sue you. Nice. nt

[baldguy]

52. If you're pissed about the pipeline then make THAT the issue.

There's plenty to be pissed about without opportunistically & unfairly slandering millions of dogs and their owners, and thereby bringing out the bigoted anti-Pit Bull troglodytes.

[womanofthehills]

54. This is the main video I saw when I wrote the OP

it looked like a pitbull to me but maybe it's another breed or cross.

[baldguy]

56. You thought it was a great opportunity to use people's prejudices to advance your political goals.

[Travis_0004]

53. So you are saying that facts dont matter

Those dogs done look like pitbulls to me

[uppityperson]

39. I would rec this if you'd make the headline accurate. What happened is awful, but your refusal to

correct the headline makes it into another issue.

[Avalux]

44. Please change your subject line to "attack dogs" instead of pit bulls.

I don't like what you've done there - not cool at all.

[womanofthehills]

50. I did post a later one with attack dogs and hardly anyone responded

[SMC22307]

51. The tone was set with this OP.

It's how it works.