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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 09:20 PM Sep 2016

Armed protesters are now surrounding Brock Turner’s home

http://usuncut.com/resistance/armed-protesters-brock-turner-home/

Convicted rapist Brock Turner may have gotten off with a 3-month jail sentence, but his neighbors aren’t letting him live in anonymity.

In Sugarcreek Township — a suburb of Dayton, Ohio — Turner is attempting to hide out at his parents’ home while the local community is surrounding the house, with some carrying firearms and signs with ominous warnings like “castrate your local rapist.”

Mic reported that there are roughly a dozen protesters from the neighborhood staking out the Turner house, holding up signs like “If I rape Brock I will only do 3 months” and “castrate all rapists.” Because Ohio is an open-carry state, the protesters holding assault rifles outside the Turner residence aren’t breaking any laws.

“He’s not going to live some happy pleasant life,” one protester told local media. “We’re going to never let him forget what he did.”




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Armed protesters are now surrounding Brock Turner’s home (Original Post) KamaAina Sep 2016 OP
I don't agree with this yeoman6987 Sep 2016 #1
I don't either. But he's still a swine. nt SusanCalvin Sep 2016 #29
I don't agree with people armed. sheshe2 Sep 2016 #56
To be objective, you don't really know how this rape will affect her. randome Sep 2016 #64
Let me guess...you are not a woman. Amirite? nt Mojorabbit Sep 2016 #69
Perhaps one day she'll remember the incident. Igel Sep 2016 #70
You seem to be minimizing what happened with "if it had been actual rape". DLevine Sep 2016 #81
You're right, I am not. randome Sep 2016 #73
Are you a rape counselor, or have some other kind of professional contact with rape victims? Demit Sep 2016 #78
No, just an observer of human beings. Same as the vast majority of us, I guess. randome Sep 2016 #80
You really should read the victim's statement to her attacker. DLevine Sep 2016 #83
You're right, a man would never know that. But she wrote a letter that would give you an idea. Demit Sep 2016 #84
Sick, just sick! smirkymonkey Sep 2016 #93
There are people in this world where 3 months is 'justice', I would never be friends with someone Rex Sep 2016 #107
I'm not trying to minimize it but most of this is about the process she went through afterwards. randome Sep 2016 #99
Well that is just like your opinion man. Rex Sep 2016 #106
You clearly said we didn't know if she was traumatized (in your post #80). Demit Sep 2016 #110
+1 Rex Sep 2016 #108
I don't agree with him serving 3 months. uppityperson Sep 2016 #113
What gets lost in this story RandySF Sep 2016 #2
He did face protests and will no longer be hearing criminal cases. KamaAina Sep 2016 #27
Holy shit!!!! Initech Sep 2016 #3
Armed protesters? Not smart. guillaumeb Sep 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author left-of-center2012 Sep 2016 #5
I agree, this is horrible. Laurian Sep 2016 #9
I don't mind people protesting Major Nikon Sep 2016 #10
You mean raping a woman while she was unconscious? You know, under your theory, white jtuck004 Sep 2016 #13
He did his time. It wasn't enough, but if you think a lynch mob gets to give him more time Dreamer Tatum Sep 2016 #22
Try it the other way. Igel Sep 2016 #71
"Did his time," my ass... derby378 Sep 2016 #26
Then maybe they should consider that before they put themselves in a position NuclearDem Sep 2016 #36
Your beef is with the judge who ordered the 6 month sentence. tinrobot Sep 2016 #45
He and his smarmy parents could show, maybe, a little comprehension, self-awareness, tblue37 Sep 2016 #57
This! smirkymonkey Sep 2016 #96
What do you mean by "rape"? n/t Igel Sep 2016 #72
here uppityperson Sep 2016 #114
+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2016 #94
People actually get killed when they're lynched gollygee Sep 2016 #33
People refer to having bad things said about them as "lynching" these days. Igel Sep 2016 #74
No. He's white & he's alive. And the protests are legal & done in the light of day. Demit Sep 2016 #79
No Bradical79 Sep 2016 #88
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Sep 2016 #95
Is that you Clarence Thomas? tenderfoot Sep 2016 #100
Nope. No harm, no foul. Therefore nothing like a lynching. aikoaiko Sep 2016 #103
They live in a gated community LeftyMom Sep 2016 #6
Maybe no one is being "let in." Maybe it's his NEIGHBORS doing the protesting? MADem Sep 2016 #49
Good point, they may not appreciate his presence. Thinkingabout Sep 2016 #55
Fucking savages. NuclearDem Sep 2016 #7
I believe your comment is very harsh. sheshe2 Sep 2016 #17
Oh, did I not consider the poor armed vigilantes' feelings? NuclearDem Sep 2016 #35
Oh no! ZombieHorde Sep 2016 #8
Hmmm. Gun-nutters and vigilantes. Not a good situation. madinmaryland Sep 2016 #11
While his prison sentence was lite Texasgal Sep 2016 #12
justice wasn't served in this case. katsy Sep 2016 #14
As sickened as I am by the entire Brock Turner affair .... (turner, his father, the judge) etherealtruth Sep 2016 #15
What is the end game for armed protesting? bucolic_frolic Sep 2016 #31
Yeah ultimately the courts are a compromise we have treestar Sep 2016 #66
Its also odd, because if their point is to "not let him forget" then they are redundant. D23MIURG23 Sep 2016 #112
Protesting does send a message to the judge womanofthehills Sep 2016 #39
I have no problem with protesting the rapist, the judge (and even the rapists father) etherealtruth Sep 2016 #75
If he thought he could just go home and nada would happen... roamer65 Sep 2016 #16
I wish Brock had kept it non violent. sheshe2 Sep 2016 #19
That would been the smart decision. roamer65 Sep 2016 #25
It is Ohio and I agree. No guns. No Murder. sheshe2 Sep 2016 #53
It's their extremely flawed logic... roamer65 Sep 2016 #77
Happy Labor Day sheshe2 Sep 2016 #87
Yup. uppityperson Sep 2016 #115
Sucks for him. romanic Sep 2016 #18
they will get bored and go home eventually Takket Sep 2016 #20
I wonder who these "protesters" actually are. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #21
Oh fucking brother. ANOTHER false flag? nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2016 #23
it does seem a bit odd, as open carry people G_j Sep 2016 #46
Bullshit Ms. Yertle Sep 2016 #68
This is what happens when the "Justice System" delivers incompetence and injustice instead. NutmegYankee Sep 2016 #24
It's that whole "...and justice for all" part Brock and his ilk don't get derby378 Sep 2016 #28
And he did ONLY 3 months of that 6 months sentence. nt tblue37 Sep 2016 #58
Exactly. I hope that cocksucker piece of shit of a judge is watching. backscatter712 Sep 2016 #86
He's a swine. And this is wrong. nt SusanCalvin Sep 2016 #30
+ struggle4progress Sep 2016 #37
In a nutshell and right on target. Thanks. n/t Stonepounder Sep 2016 #40
Yep. n/t Chemisse Sep 2016 #102
Perfect, thank you. nt uppityperson Sep 2016 #116
Nelson Muntz's HAHA feels very appropriate ButterflyBlood Sep 2016 #32
It is insane that there are so many states where you can just carry around a rifle like that oberliner Sep 2016 #34
Sure is. LisaL Sep 2016 #38
The US is so diverse oberliner Sep 2016 #48
This is why we are a representative democracy. LS_Editor Sep 2016 #41
I hate guns as much as anyone, but jiminvegas Sep 2016 #42
Wow, gunfuckers and rapists. Iggo Sep 2016 #43
These twits in their camo pants and assault rifles: really? What the F...K? Completely stupid people YOHABLO Sep 2016 #44
As a victim of sexual assault... Sophiegirl Sep 2016 #47
He has not apologized, he hasn't made any amends, he's made no efforts to right his wrongs. underahedgerow Sep 2016 #61
+1000 Agreed smirkymonkey Sep 2016 #97
Justice is served in courts and prisons not in the streets by mobs. nt TeamPooka Sep 2016 #50
"roughly a dozen protesters" holding up signs is not a mob. Demit Sep 2016 #85
Justice was certainly not served in this case. eom Kermitt Gribble Sep 2016 #89
If Justice had been delivered here, there wouldn't be protestors with guns NutmegYankee Sep 2016 #91
sad to see so many people on DU support lynching threats nt msongs Sep 2016 #51
Please point out the threat to lynch him? aikoaiko Sep 2016 #104
Who is doing that? nt uppityperson Sep 2016 #117
I get why they are protesting. And I get the show of force. These people are not you and I. AgadorSparticus Sep 2016 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Sep 2016 #54
No direct threats of violence -- the protesters are staying legal. aikoaiko Sep 2016 #59
That little creep didn't even serve half of his laughable 6 month sentence, did he? catbyte Sep 2016 #60
It's a bit egregious that some states put people away for far longer for shit like pot smoking. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #62
It'll probably die down in a few months. Ilsa Sep 2016 #63
If they are in favor of castrating rapists treestar Sep 2016 #65
While I completely understand the anger and the outrage here, vigilantism always creeps me out. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2016 #67
Any kind of intimidation with guns is unacceptable. Loki Sep 2016 #76
This is disgusting and horrible tymorial Sep 2016 #82
I don't agree with them being armed Kermitt Gribble Sep 2016 #90
When do they head over to Ben Roethlisberger's house? alcibiades_mystery Sep 2016 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Sep 2016 #98
When was Ben Roethlisberger convicted of rape? tenderfoot Sep 2016 #101
No punishment is too severe for him. I am with the protectors. GOLGO 13 Sep 2016 #105
Death? linuxman Sep 2016 #111
Well I guess he should have thought about his actions first, now he is seeing others take action Rex Sep 2016 #109
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. I don't agree with this
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 09:25 PM
Sep 2016

He did his time and is on the registry. Not his fault the judge didnt do the job. I think the violence in the protesting bothers me most.

sheshe2

(83,839 posts)
56. I don't agree with people armed.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 12:51 AM
Sep 2016

I don't like guns.

I am sorry the violence in protesting bothers you. I wish they left the guns behind. However the violence of rape bothers me as much if not more. It will take her years to recover if she is able to. My heart goes out to her.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
64. To be objective, you don't really know how this rape will affect her.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 08:11 AM
Sep 2016

There is an automatic assumption in our society that victims of rape MUST feel broken and traumatized by the experience and cannot get up and move on without enormous difficulty.

Everyone is not like that. I'm not trying to minimize what occurred, only pointing out that everyone reacts differently.
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Igel

(35,332 posts)
70. Perhaps one day she'll remember the incident.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 08:58 AM
Sep 2016

And then be able to face it.

Mostly she was traumatized by the fact of it--sort of in the same way I know I had surgery to my hands, but can't remember it--and by her experience in the hospital.

Now, if it had been actual rape (the way most people understand it, involving the male's genitals in some way) coming to grips with it would probably be worse.

DLevine

(1,788 posts)
81. You seem to be minimizing what happened with "if it had been actual rape".
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:31 AM
Sep 2016

It was a serious sexual assault. From the victim's statement to her attacker: "In public news, I learned that my ass and vagina were completely exposed outside, my breasts had been groped, fingers had been jabbed inside me along with pine needles and debris, my bare skin and head had been rubbing against the ground behind a dumpster, while an erect freshman was humping my half naked, unconscious body." Sounds horrific to me.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
73. You're right, I am not.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:04 AM
Sep 2016

I don't think that takes away from my point -that people are different. Some are hobbled for years after a rape. Others have means of putting it past them and getting on more readily with their lives.

We do a disservice to victims of this type of violence by insisting they behave like victims when that 'one-size-fits-all' approach may not be the best view to take.

Care and support should always be available but there comes a point where that can become a self-fulfilling objective if not administered by professionals.
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randome

(34,845 posts)
80. No, just an observer of human beings. Same as the vast majority of us, I guess.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:23 AM
Sep 2016

But as was pointed out, his anonymous victim was unconscious during the act so to assume she is traumatized or 'broken' by him is unwarranted. Maybe she was/is. But we don't know that.
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DLevine

(1,788 posts)
83. You really should read the victim's statement to her attacker.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:34 AM
Sep 2016

By her own account, she was certainly traumatized.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
84. You're right, a man would never know that. But she wrote a letter that would give you an idea.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:38 AM
Sep 2016

Here is about HALF of what she wrote, that you apparently missed in your general observation of human beings:


Your Honor, if it is all right, for the majority of this statement I would like to address the defendant directly.
You don’t know me, but you’ve been inside me, and that’s why we’re here today.
On January 17th, 2015, it was a quiet Saturday night at home. My dad made some dinner and I sat at the table with my younger sister who was visiting for the weekend. I was working full time and it was approaching my bed time. I planned to stay at home by myself, watch some TV and read, while she went to a party with her friends. Then, I decided it was my only night with her, I had nothing better to do, so why not, there’s a dumb party ten minutes from my house, I would go, dance like a fool, and embarrass my younger sister. On the way there, I joked that undergrad guys would have braces. My sister teased me for wearing a beige cardigan to a frat party like a librarian. I called myself “big mama”, because I knew I’d be the oldest one there. I made silly faces, let my guard down, and drank liquor too fast not factoring in that my tolerance had significantly lowered since college.
The next thing I remember I was in a gurney in a hallway. I had dried blood and bandages on the backs of my hands and elbow. I thought maybe I had fallen and was in an admin office on campus. I was very calm and wondering where my sister was. A deputy explained I had been assaulted. I still remained calm, assured he was speaking to the wrong person. I knew no one at this party. When I was finally allowed to use the restroom, I pulled down the hospital pants they had given me, went to pull down my underwear, and felt nothing. I still remember the feeling of my hands touching my skin and grabbing nothing. I looked down and there was nothing. The thin piece of fabric, the only thing between my vagina and anything else, was missing and everything inside me was silenced. I still don’t have words for that feeling. In order to keep breathing, I thought maybe the policemen used scissors to cut them off for evidence.
Then, I felt pine needles scratching the back of my neck and started pulling them out my hair. I thought maybe, the pine needles had fallen from a tree onto my head. My brain was talking my gut into not collapsing. Because my gut was saying, help me, help me.
I shuffled from room to room with a blanket wrapped around me, pine needles trailing behind me, I left a little pile in every room I sat in. I was asked to sign papers that said “Rape Victim” and I thought something has really happened. My clothes were confiscated and I stood naked while the nurses held a ruler to various abrasions on my body and photographed them. The three of us worked to comb the pine needles out of my hair, six hands to fill one paper bag. To calm me down, they said it’s just the flora and fauna, flora and fauna. I had multiple swabs
inserted into my vagina and anus, needles for shots, pills, had a Nikon pointed right into my spread legs. I had long, pointed beaks inside me and had my vagina smeared with cold, blue paint to check for abrasions.
After a few hours of this, they let me shower. I stood there examining my body beneath the stream of water and decided, I don’t want my body anymore. I was terrified of it, I didn’t know what had been in it, if it had been contaminated, who had touched it. I wanted to take off my body like a jacket and leave it at the hospital with everything else.
On that morning, all that I was told was that I had been found behind a dumpster, potentially penetrated by a stranger, and that I should get retested for HIV because results don’t always show up immediately. But for now, I should go home and get back to my normal life. Imagine stepping back into the world with only that information. They gave me huge hugs and I walked out of the hospital into the parking lot wearing the new sweatshirt and sweatpants they provided me, as they had only allowed me to keep my necklace and shoes.
My sister picked me up, face wet from tears and contorted in anguish. Instinctively and immediately, I wanted to take away her pain. I smiled at her, I told her to look at me, I’m right here, I’m okay, everything’s okay, I’m right here. My hair is washed and clean, they gave me the strangest shampoo, calm down, and look at me. Look at these funny new sweatpants and sweatshirt, I look like a P.E. teacher, let’s go home, let’s eat something. She did not know that beneath my sweatsuit, I had scratches and bandages on my skin, my vagina was sore and had become a strange, dark color from all the prodding, my underwear was missing, and I felt too empty to continue to speak. That I was also afraid, that I was also devastated. That day we drove home and for hours in silence my younger sister held me.
My boyfriend did not know what happened, but called that day and said, “I was really worried about you last night, you scared me, did you make it home okay?” I was horrified. That’s when I learned I had called him that night in my blackout, left an incomprehensible voicemail, that we had also spoken on the phone, but I was slurring so heavily he was scared for me, that he repeatedly told me to go find [my sister]. Again, he asked me, “What happened last night? Did you make it home okay?” I said yes, and hung up to cry.
I was not ready to tell my boyfriend or parents that actually, I may have been raped behind a dumpster, but I don’t know by who or when or how. If I told them, I would see the fear on their faces, and mine would multiply by tenfold, so instead I pretended the whole thing wasn’t real.
I tried to push it out of my mind, but it was so heavy I didn’t talk, I didn’t eat, I didn’t sleep, I didn’t interact with anyone. After work, I would drive to a secluded place to scream. I didn’t talk, I didn’t eat, I didn’t sleep, I didn’t interact with anyone, and I became isolated from the ones I loved most. For over a week after the incident, I didn’t get any calls or updates about that night or what happened to me. The only symbol that proved that it hadn’t just been a bad dream, was the sweatshirt from the hospital in my drawer.
One day, I was at work, scrolling through the news on my phone, and came across an article. In it, I read and learned for the first time about how I was found unconscious, with my hair disheveled, long necklace wrapped around my neck, bra pulled out of my dress, dress pulled off over my shoulders and pulled up above my waist, that I was butt naked all the way down to my boots, legs spread apart, and had been penetrated by a foreign object by someone I did not recognize. This was how I learned what happened to me, sitting at my desk reading the news at work. I learned what happened to me the same time everyone else in the world learned what happened to me. That’s when the pine needles in my hair made sense, they didn’t fall from a tree. He had taken off my underwear, his fingers had been inside of me. I don’t even know this person. I still don’t know this person. When I read about me like this, I said, this can’t be me, this can’t be me. I could not digest or accept any of this information. I could not imagine my family having to read about this online. I kept reading. In the next paragraph, I read something that I will never forgive; I read that according to him, I liked it. I liked it. Again, I do not have words for these feelings.
It’s like if you were to read an article where a car was hit, and found dented, in a ditch. But maybe the car enjoyed being hit. Maybe the other car didn’t mean to hit it, just bump it up a little bit. Cars get in accidents all the time, people aren’t always paying attention, can we really say who’s at fault.
And then, at the bottom of the article, after I learned about the graphic details of my own sexual assault, the article listed his swimming times. She was found breathing, unresponsive with her underwear six inches away from her bare stomach curled in fetal position. By the way, he’s really good at swimming. Throw in my mile time if that’s what we’re doing. I’m good at cooking, put that in there, I think the end is where you list your extracurriculars to cancel out all the sickening things that’ve happened.
The night the news came out I sat my parents down and told them that I had been assaulted, to not look at the news because it’s upsetting, just know that I’m okay, I’m right here, and I’m okay. But halfway through telling them, my mom had to hold me because I could no longer stand up.
The night after it happened, he said he didn’t know my name, said he wouldn’t be able to identify my face in a lineup, didn’t mention any dialogue between us, no words, only dancing and kissing. Dancing is a cute term; was it snapping fingers and twirling dancing, or just bodies grinding up against each other in a crowded room? I wonder if kissing was just faces sloppily pressed up against each other? When the detective asked if he had planned on taking me back to his dorm, he said no. When the detective asked how we ended up behind the dumpster, he said he didn’t know. He admitted to kissing other girls at that party, one of whom was my own sister who pushed him away. He admitted to wanting to hook up with someone. I was the wounded antelope of the herd, completely alone and vulnerable, physically unable to fend for myself, and he chose me. Sometimes I think, if I hadn’t gone, then this never would’ve happened. But then I realized, it would have happened, just to somebody else. You were about to enter four years of access to drunk girls and parties, and if this is the foot you started off on, then it is right you did not continue. The night after it happened, he said he thought I liked it because I rubbed his back. A back rub.
Never mentioned me voicing consent, never mentioned us even speaking, a back rub. One more time, in public news, I learned that my ass and vagina were completely exposed outside, my breasts had been groped, fingers had been jabbed inside me along with pine needles and debris, my bare skin and head had been rubbing against the ground behind a dumpster, while an erect freshman was humping my half naked, unconscious body. But I don’t remember, so how do I prove I didn’t like it.
I thought there’s no way this is going to trial; there were witnesses, there was dirt in my body, he ran but was caught. He’s going to settle, formally apologize, and we will both move on. Instead, I was told he hired a powerful attorney, expert witnesses, private investigators who were going to try and find details about my personal life to use against me, find loopholes in my story to invalidate me and my sister, in order to show that this sexual assault was in fact a misunderstanding. That he was going to go to any length to convince the world he had simply been confused.
I was not only told that I was assaulted, I was told that because I couldn’t remember, I technically could not prove it was unwanted. And that distorted me, damaged me, almost broke me. It is the saddest type of confusion to be told I was assaulted and nearly raped, blatantly out in the open, but we don’t know if it counts as assault yet. I had to fight for an entire year to make it clear that there was something wrong with this situation.
When I was told to be prepared in case we didn’t win, I said, I can’t prepare for that. He was guilty the minute I woke up. No one can talk me out of the hurt he caused me. Worst of all, I was warned, because he now knows you don’t remember, he is going to get to write the script. He can say whatever he wants and no one can contest it. I had no power, I had no voice, I was defenseless. My memory loss would be used against me. My testimony was weak, was incomplete, and I was made to believe that perhaps, I am not enough to win this. His attorney constantly reminded the jury, the only one we can believe is Brock, because she doesn’t remember. That helplessness was traumatizing.
Instead of taking time to heal, I was taking time to recall the night in excruciating detail, in order to prepare for the attorney’s questions that would be invasive, aggressive, and designed to steer me off course, to contradict myself, my sister, phrased in ways to manipulate my answers. Instead of his attorney saying, Did you notice any abrasions? He said, You didn’t notice any abrasions, right? This was a game of strategy, as if I could be tricked out of my own worth. The sexual assault had been so clear, but instead, here I was at the trial, answering questions like:
How old are you? How much do you weigh? What did you eat that day? Well what did you have for dinner? Who made dinner? Did you drink with dinner? No, not even water? When did you drink? How much did you drink? What container did you drink out of? Who gave you the drink? How much do you usually drink? Who dropped you off at this party? At what time? But where exactly? What were you wearing? Why were you going to this party? What’ d you do when you got there? Are you sure you did that? But what time did you do that? What does this text mean? Who were you texting? When did you urinate? Where did you urinate? With whom did you urinate outside? Was your phone on silent when your sister called? Do you remember silencing it? Really because on page 53 I’d like to point out that you said it was set to ring. Did you drink in college? You said you were a party animal? How many times did you black out? Did you party at frats? Are you serious with your boyfriend? Are you sexually active with him? When did you start dating? Would you ever cheat? Do you have a history of cheating? What do you mean when you said you wanted to reward him? Do you remember what time you woke up? Were you wearing your cardigan? What color was your cardigan? Do you remember any more from that night? No? Okay, well, we’ll let Brock fill it in.
...

The rest is at
https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbaker/heres-the-powerful-letter-the-stanford-victim-read-to-her-ra?utm_term=.fp15V0nYn#.hmOdNzBPB


 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
93. Sick, just sick!
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 01:57 PM
Sep 2016

How anyone could read that and think she might not have been traumatized by the incident is just beyond me.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
107. There are people in this world where 3 months is 'justice', I would never be friends with someone
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 03:30 PM
Sep 2016

like that.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
99. I'm not trying to minimize it but most of this is about the process she went through afterwards.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 02:45 PM
Sep 2016

Not the rape itself, which she doesn't remember. She doesn't even remember calling her boyfriend. But the rapist was stupid enough to fight this and he clearly lost. All I'm saying is that justice apparently was served and that really should be the end of it, not armed protests and 'helping' her be further victimized by reminding her endlessly that she's a victim.

The 'villagers' need to stay out of this, imo.
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Demit

(11,238 posts)
110. You clearly said we didn't know if she was traumatized (in your post #80).
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 05:38 PM
Sep 2016

You most certainly were trying to minimize it. Mister man.

RandySF

(59,079 posts)
2. What gets lost in this story
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 09:31 PM
Sep 2016

Is that the judge followed the Santa Clara County's reconnection. But I haven't heard of anyone surrounding their offices.

Initech

(100,096 posts)
3. Holy shit!!!!
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 09:36 PM
Sep 2016

I don't agree with the sentencing even slightly but resorting to a violent act with threats of violence is something that I can't get behind.

Response to KamaAina (Original post)

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
13. You mean raping a woman while she was unconscious? You know, under your theory, white
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:07 PM
Sep 2016

people who murder black folks in the South, but were were acquitted of murder with a wink by their all-white jury, have paid all they need to.

He hasn't paid enough yet, and it is only a matter of time until the next woman he beats or assaults. These folks know their daughters and wives are at risk, and they are sending him, and the house he is hiding in like the coward he is, a well-earned message.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
22. He did his time. It wasn't enough, but if you think a lynch mob gets to give him more time
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:38 PM
Sep 2016

then you're no liberal.

Igel

(35,332 posts)
71. Try it the other way.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:01 AM
Sep 2016

Black folk, who weren't tried or properly punished, were, I guess.

He hasn't paid enough yet, but will--like all ex-cons who are made to suffer after they're released, in a "just" world according to some. And if he does something again, he'll be caught and punished. His DNA is on file, his fingerprints are on file, and it's hard to commit actual rape without using some part of the body with DNA or leaving something with DNA behind.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
26. "Did his time," my ass...
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:42 PM
Sep 2016

A six-month sentence for rape? Suddenly those open-carry protesters doesn't sound so bad. They've got wives and children, too. Hell, for all I know, some of them have husbands.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
36. Then maybe they should consider that before they put themselves in a position
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 11:22 PM
Sep 2016

where they could be doing time for attempted or actual murder.

If you think Turner's sentence was too lenient, fine, I sure do, but we don't do the armed vigilante shit in a civilized society. These people are fucking animals.

tinrobot

(10,912 posts)
45. Your beef is with the judge who ordered the 6 month sentence.
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 11:55 PM
Sep 2016

The defendant served the time that was ordered by the judge. He can't just volunteer to spend more time in jail. He's out legally.

I also think the sentence was way too short, but that is the fault of the judge.

tblue37

(65,458 posts)
57. He and his smarmy parents could show, maybe, a little comprehension, self-awareness,
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 01:23 AM
Sep 2016

remorse--or even a tiny bit of empathy for his victim.

I think his lack of remorse and their lack of empathy are factors that have more to do with people's rage even than his ridiculous 3 months and out sentence.

Igel

(35,332 posts)
74. People refer to having bad things said about them as "lynching" these days.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:05 AM
Sep 2016

And follow it up by saying how harmful and hurtful words are.

In any event, did anybody say he *was* lynched? Missed that, I guess.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
79. No. He's white & he's alive. And the protests are legal & done in the light of day.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:21 AM
Sep 2016

Even using lynching as a metaphor cheapens what the practice actually was.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
88. No
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 01:32 PM
Sep 2016

I'm not sure you're aware of what a lynching was. Comparing the agressive protest and harassment of a white privliged athlete who got off easy for rape to lynching is pretty damn ignorant. Argue that it's wrong or not, but the two aren't reasonably comparable.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
95. Thank YOU!
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 02:02 PM
Sep 2016

Maybe the poor little special snowflake needs to petition for a "safe space". I'm no fan of armed protesters, but the little shit is reaping karma.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
6. They live in a gated community
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 09:41 PM
Sep 2016

So if there are protests it's because his neighbors are letting people in.

Good for them.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
35. Oh, did I not consider the poor armed vigilantes' feelings?
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 11:17 PM
Sep 2016

Sorry, wouldn't want to give them the impression I think poorly of them or anything.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
8. Oh no!
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 09:48 PM
Sep 2016

How tragic for him. All he did was sexually assault someone and sent pics of it to his friends, and now his community is up in arms.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
11. Hmmm. Gun-nutters and vigilantes. Not a good situation.
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:01 PM
Sep 2016

Living only a few miles away, it will not end well.

Texasgal

(17,046 posts)
12. While his prison sentence was lite
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:03 PM
Sep 2016

I do not agree with people freaking out and surrounding his home. I have no sympathy for him but this is just wrong.

katsy

(4,246 posts)
14. justice wasn't served in this case.
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:08 PM
Sep 2016

I hope the protesters keep it peaceful & I support shedding light on this injustice so long as it stays non-violent. They aren't breaking any laws by being armed so... I can't muster not even a drop of sympathy for the rapist. None.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
15. As sickened as I am by the entire Brock Turner affair .... (turner, his father, the judge)
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:09 PM
Sep 2016

Protesting is understandable .... armed protesting is another story altogether

This is beyond the pale for a supposedly civil society.

bucolic_frolic

(43,249 posts)
31. What is the end game for armed protesting?
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:57 PM
Sep 2016

Fear? Violence? Intimidation?
They say they're not going to let him forget. Ok.
That's not going to change the original verdict.
So they want to make him miserable? Ok.
They're going to take time from their own lives to accomplish this goal?
Forever?
I'm not understanding the benefit for them.
Sense of justice? Their judgment is better than the courts?
Does this improve their lives?

treestar

(82,383 posts)
66. Yeah ultimately the courts are a compromise we have
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 08:30 AM
Sep 2016

that stops vigilantism. Here they don't think the penalty was enough. I wonder if OJ had protestors of this kind - a lot of people disagreed with that verdict and murder was involved.

D23MIURG23

(2,850 posts)
112. Its also odd, because if their point is to "not let him forget" then they are redundant.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 08:23 PM
Sep 2016

In some ways the judge screwed him more with his light sentence than he would have with a normal sentence. He made Brock Turner the most famous convicted rapist in the country. No one needs to protest to insure that this guy remembers - everyone with a tv set or an internet connection knows his name and his face. If he wants friends or a job ever again he better start looking for real estate in Siberia.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
75. I have no problem with protesting the rapist, the judge (and even the rapists father)
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:55 AM
Sep 2016

I am very unhappy about armed protests .... anywhere. Outside abortion clinics, outside the NAACP, political protests .... as despicable as Brock is the addition of guns changes the nature of protesting to terrorizing.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
16. If he thought he could just go home and nada would happen...
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:20 PM
Sep 2016

then he was sorely mistaken. It's not just gonna "blow over" for him.

However, the protesters do need to keep it non-violent and peaceful.

No one should be above the law.

sheshe2

(83,839 posts)
19. I wish Brock had kept it non violent.
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:27 PM
Sep 2016

Yet he did not. A three month joke sentence puts him above the law. A gross injustice.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
25. That would been the smart decision.
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:41 PM
Sep 2016

When he found her he should have called 911 for an ambulance, like any normal person would.

But he's isn't a "normal person", he's a predator.

Unfortunately now he has been released and faces the court of public opinion...much like OJ Simpson. Hopefully CA will change its laws to not allow this to happen again.

However, threats to murder him are over the top.

sheshe2

(83,839 posts)
53. It is Ohio and I agree. No guns. No Murder.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 12:40 AM
Sep 2016

Guns should be banned yet the gun nuts want them to stay.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
77. It's their extremely flawed logic...
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:14 AM
Sep 2016

that the solution to every problem lies at the end of a gun barrel. Standing out in front of someone's house like that with assault rifles makes me very VERY uneasy.

Like Gandhi said, "An eye for an eye turns the whole world blind."

Go figure...and happy Labor Day!

Takket

(21,600 posts)
20. they will get bored and go home eventually
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:29 PM
Sep 2016

Nothing much he can do but just let them have their protest.

Eventually this will all blow over and this slimeball will worm his way back into society. makes me sick.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
46. it does seem a bit odd, as open carry people
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 11:58 PM
Sep 2016

you generally would think of as right leaning, and the violent language is also uncharacteristic of people on the left. Rape is generally not on the radar of Trump types. It's sort of hard to imagine who exactly these people are.

Ms. Yertle

(466 posts)
68. Bullshit
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 08:48 AM
Sep 2016

Trump supporters have daughters, sisters, wives, female friends, aunts, etc. whom they love. Rape is "on the radar" of everyone who cares about a woman.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
24. This is what happens when the "Justice System" delivers incompetence and injustice instead.
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:39 PM
Sep 2016

The Justice system exists to avoid having people go back to their base neolithic tendencies. If modern society/civilization doesn't want to deliver that justice anymore, it sure as fuck shouldn't be surprised if people take up matters into their own hands.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
28. It's that whole "...and justice for all" part Brock and his ilk don't get
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 10:47 PM
Sep 2016

Some women never recover from the effects of rape - and those that do usually take a lot longer than six lousy months.

Gee, if I were caught in possession of meth or bath salts, what are the chances my prison sentence would be cut in half "for good behavior?"

A rotten situation all around.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
86. Exactly. I hope that cocksucker piece of shit of a judge is watching.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 11:15 AM
Sep 2016

If he had given Brock Turner a real prison sentence that's proportionate to the crime Brock committed, this wouldn't be happening.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
34. It is insane that there are so many states where you can just carry around a rifle like that
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 11:08 PM
Sep 2016

Out in the open, walking down the street.

jiminvegas

(104 posts)
42. I hate guns as much as anyone, but
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 11:42 PM
Sep 2016

1. Protesting is legal.

2. Open carrying a gun is legal.

3. Apparently, rape gets you 3 months in jail.

I would like to change 2 and 3, but until then, it looks like the protesters are exercising their rights and the rapist will soon run and hide somewhere else like the coward he is.

Iggo

(47,561 posts)
43. Wow, gunfuckers and rapists.
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 11:49 PM
Sep 2016

It's a regular piece o' shit shindig!

YEEE-to-the-motherfucking-HAAAAWWW.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
44. These twits in their camo pants and assault rifles: really? What the F...K? Completely stupid people
Sun Sep 4, 2016, 11:50 PM
Sep 2016

Sophiegirl

(2,338 posts)
47. As a victim of sexual assault...
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 12:01 AM
Sep 2016

I am more concerned for the victim. This does nothing to take away the pain. She will live with this for the rest of her life. Therapy will help, but the broken trust may never heal.

That breach of trust or safety will never goes away.

They can protest all they want. And he does deserve it. It will never compare to the pain she will endure for the rest of her life.

I have NO pity for him. And a lifetime of empathy for her.

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
61. He has not apologized, he hasn't made any amends, he's made no efforts to right his wrongs.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 04:33 AM
Sep 2016

He and his family have done nothing but make excuses.

He would be wise to hire a PR person to help him make this as right as he can, by speaking out about his crime, and the cost to his victim. He can do a lot to try to make this right, so let's see if he does.

There is so much opportunity here for him to actually make a difference... ever the cynical optimist, I hope he does the right thing.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
85. "roughly a dozen protesters" holding up signs is not a mob.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:47 AM
Sep 2016

Get back to me when there's a hundred of them and they're breaking down the door & dragging him outside.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
91. If Justice had been delivered here, there wouldn't be protestors with guns
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 01:49 PM
Sep 2016

The justice system exists to prevent people going back to tribal vendettas. Deny that justice, and look out!

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
52. I get why they are protesting. And I get the show of force. These people are not you and I.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 12:36 AM
Sep 2016

Sitting comfortably far away. These are his neighbors. These are people that have to live next door to this monster. They are not only outraged at the rape and the ridiculous subsequent sentencing, but now have to live knowing that their wives, daughters, sisters, loved ones have to live next door to this monster. It is alarming and scary for them. So they are putting him on notice. I can't fault them for that.

They carry weapons. It is their right. I guess I live in an open carry state and that doesn't phase me. I doubt they are going to actually do anything violent. I just see this as the rapist's karma. It is what it is.

Response to KamaAina (Original post)

catbyte

(34,420 posts)
60. That little creep didn't even serve half of his laughable 6 month sentence, did he?
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 03:14 AM
Sep 2016

Perhaps if they "guard" him until his nauseatingly short sentence is up, he won't be so fucking arrogant. His baby face isn't saving him now. No sympathy, sorry.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
62. It's a bit egregious that some states put people away for far longer for shit like pot smoking.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 04:34 AM
Sep 2016

at least, I think it's a bit egregious.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
63. It'll probably die down in a few months.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 07:07 AM
Sep 2016

Meanwhile, he can serve some additional time at home. I have no problem with this if it ends in about a year.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
65. If they are in favor of castrating rapists
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 08:28 AM
Sep 2016

then they need to protest at the legislative level, and this defendant cannot change those laws that make castration a punishment that is not on the books. "If I rape" him does not sound like an actual threat to rape him, but isn't a civilized thing to refer to. He did his time and we can always disagree with the legal system's conclusions publicly without this vaguely threatening vigilante type action. Seems these people would have better things to do with their time.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,189 posts)
67. While I completely understand the anger and the outrage here, vigilantism always creeps me out.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 08:32 AM
Sep 2016

And typically does a disservice to whatever cause it's advocating.

I'm perfectly fine with this guy being shunned in the community--wish the same could be said for George Zimmerman--but there are still boundaries that ought not to be crossed.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
76. Any kind of intimidation with guns is unacceptable.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:09 AM
Sep 2016

Period. His sentence smells and stinks and is totally unacceptable. Let's work to change this rotten judicial system, so we don't have more of this kind of shit.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
82. This is disgusting and horrible
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 10:31 AM
Sep 2016

For all we know there are children and elderly living in that neighborhood. Those people living there have no relation to this case and do not deserve to be under siege by a bunch of disgusting vigilantes who have swapped out picth forks and torches with camo and firearms.

I was raped and the two men who raped me never served a second. I do not blame their family, parents and neighbors. I blame the two assholes who drugged me and the system that didn't take me seriously. I certainly would not want a bunch of strangers acting on my behalf, terrorizing people who were not involved.

I do not understand how some people can be celebrating this. It makes me never want to read anything you have to write ever again. Gain some perspective.

Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #92)

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
109. Well I guess he should have thought about his actions first, now he is seeing others take action
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 03:45 PM
Sep 2016

against him and his family. Some of the posts in this thread are disgusting, but I am not surprised at all looking at the usernames. Not one bit.

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