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michaz

(1,352 posts)
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 09:52 PM Sep 2016

NBC fact checked Trump's remark on his support of the Iraq War and called it false.

Last edited Fri Sep 9, 2016, 05:36 PM - Edit history (1)

"During tonight's Commander-in-Chief forum, Hillary Clinton challenged Donald Trump on his consistent denials that he supported the Iraq War before the invasion.

"I have taken my responsibility for my decision. He refuses to take responsibility for his support," Clinton said. But Trump disputed Clinton's account, saying he was consistently against the invasion.

So, did Trump always oppose the invasion? Let's re-up our previous fact-checks.

FACTS: The only report that found Trump speaking about the Iraq war before it happened was by Buzzfeed News, which reported that in a 2002 interview with Howard Stern, Trump was directly asked if he would support the invasion of Iraq, which didn't begin until Jan. 28, 2003. "Yeah, I guess so," Trump responded. "I wish the first time it was done correctly."

Shortly after the Iraq war began in 2003, Trump began slowly condemning the decision and told the Washington Post in March of 2003 that he thought the Iraq war was "a mess."

VERDICT: False. Trump admitted to supporting the Iraq war in 2002 before the war began though he did progressively change his decision publicly within the next year.

It bears mentioning that Trump vice presidential pick Mike Pence strongly supported the Iraq War — he co-sponsored and voted in favor of the bill authorizing the Iraq War when he was a House representative from Indiana, and opposed measures to set a timeline to withdraw troops."

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/fact-checking-trump-his-support-iraq-war-n644576?cid=sm_fb

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wishstar

(5,270 posts)
2. To clarify- Hillary's remark wasn't false but Trump's claim of always opposing Iraq War is false
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 10:02 PM
Sep 2016

Your title makes it sound like Hillary's remark was fact checked and found to be false. But she is correct that Trump initially supported the invasion in the 2002 interview while he is now claiming to have always opposed the war.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
3. But Trump said he was always against it
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 10:02 PM
Sep 2016

I never heard him say that he was for the idea of it and slowly changed his mind.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
9. exactly where's NBC proof of "Trump admitted to supporting the Iraq war in 2002"
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 11:40 AM
Sep 2016

Their conclusion is based on a fact never presented in fact section. They clearly show he did change his mind as Clinton suggested, but don't clearly show he admitted to this. This is lazy journalism. Either NBC doesn't understand the argument they made or didn't bother to fact check it correctly.

JI7

(89,251 posts)
5. you should edit your subject line. it looks like you are saying Hillary was false in saying Trump
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 04:12 AM
Sep 2016

supported the iraq war.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
10. Yeah, it's beyond confusing.
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 11:46 AM
Sep 2016

I took from reading it that Trump was telling the truth about his lack of support for the Iraq War from the get-go, and Hillary was misrepresenting that.

In fact, it was the total opposite.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
7. NBC is wrong about the start date for the Iraq War.
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 09:09 AM
Sep 2016

The Iraq War began on March 19, 2003, not Jan. 28, 2003. So I'd rate NBC's statement as 'False'.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/war-in-iraq-begins

Since it didn't start until near the end of the 3rd week of March, I don't see how tRumpf could have told the WaPo within the next 11 days that he thought the Iraq war was a mess. I've never seen a link to that WaPo coverage of tRump's pronouncement, either.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
8. MSNBC is a cesspool I haven't watched that bullshit since they put
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 11:19 AM
Sep 2016

Brian Williams on.and moved Sharpton to the weekends.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
15. I always trusted some sources, like M H-Perry, Maddow, Hayes, O'Donnell.
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 10:17 AM
Sep 2016

Joy Reid is doing fantastic work, right now. A youtube poster named 'GREG PORTER' has been doing a fantastic job of providing pieces from a bunch of networks' political coverage, with pauses for commentary. It helps me feel better to see the coverage with someone critique ing it, someone who sees through b.s., accentuates good reporters' take downs of b.s., and brings up points I might not see myself.

The top people of MS and NBC, I don't trust at all. I trust some people from WaPo, AP, NYT, CNN, MSNBC. Their corporate bosses are not trustworthy, though.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
12. I don't see how this is a winning issue for us.
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 02:13 PM
Sep 2016

He was a private citizen, not privy to the intelligence our elected officials had.

All he heard was what was fed to the public. Having access to the intelligence and supporting it is quite a different thing than basing an opinion on what elected officials are saying and being regurgitated by the media.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
16. If he were honest about his then I would agree
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 03:14 PM
Sep 2016

the issue isn't his position on the war, it is his dishonesty about his position on the war.

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