God fuckin forbid the oppressed/discriminated against have a fucking space

[boston bean]

to deal with issues that affect without assholes doing it to them while they are meeting.

Jesus H. Fucking Christ, the fucking privilege of so many.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

1. There are places. They're called private property.

[boston bean]

3. The majority who weild their ugliness have space 100% of the time anyfucking where.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

6. Not on private property they don't.

[boston bean]

10. Oh no?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

13. No

[boston bean]

14. I think you don't fully grasp the situation here.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

15. There is no situation here. There is only undefined outrage and word games.

[boston bean]

16. No there are realities people live with day in and day out. you want to trivialize and minimize in

an effort to prove some broader point that isn't indicative of reality people live.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

20. Or, maybe: racism doesn't cure racism.

[boston bean]

21. Well racism against one with the oppressed having no voice has always worked out so well.

Let me guess, you are against affirmative action, right?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

22. "Well racism against one with the oppressed having no voice has always worked out so well."

So seldom has anyone so full-throatedly admitted that their agenda is not Justice but nothing more than mere, debased Revenge.

I suppose you're to be applauded for you candor but little else.

[boston bean]

24. Oh, is that what I admitted. Well done.. hahaha

[Nuclear Unicorn]

29. I said racism doesn't cure racism. You merely complained you were upset the racism seemed one-sided.

Seeing as racism and Justice are opposed to each other you openly dismissed the notion of Justice. If you just want to do something negative to someone because they did it first that is Revenge.

[boston bean]

32. I am upset one side uses racism against another and then attempts

to claim it is they who are discriminated against.

Now, try to follow along.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

33. How do you know if a person used racism? Or do you just assume based on skin color?

[boston bean]

34. Well you seem to think you can identify it. I think you do so from twisted thinking.

But none the less you allow yourself somthing while attempting to deny it to another. Not cool.

[lame54]

46. Which one of you is John Cleese?

[citood]

52. Well done

[LanternWaste]

23. A tent for camping located setup in a National Forest is not private property.

A tent for camping located setup in a National Forest is not private property (See Title 36, National Park Service, Dept. of Int.). By all means, righteously justify its intrusion in the middle of the night by strangers.... or move the goalposts again, simply blaming the "special snowflakes" out camping for desiring privacy.

Either seems most consistent.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

26. So the next time a safe space is declared anyone can ask to see the permit?

[Bonx]

2. Your cursing has me triggered. I'm declaring this thread a curse free safe space.

[anoNY42]

4. Bleep bleep you bleep bleep...

Dang it, your declaration must have worked!

[PersonNumber503602]

25. Naah, you're just typing bleep instead of cursing... It's obvious. Let me prove it to you

You're about to get sooooo owned.


This is how you say bleep bleep bleep. See, I can say bleep bleep bleep all d I want.


*EDIT* OMG! HOW THE BLEEP DID BONX DO THAT?

[anoNY42]

27. Curse you!

Hey, it worked!

[ismnotwasm]

55. What the fuck is that supposed to mean

I'm a women who has been sexually harassed in one form or another since I was prepubescent- and I find the idea of safe spaces a great one.

Is safe spaces the new "politically correct'? Are we having knee jerk reactions against them because assholes are denied their god-given right to be assholes? Fuck that.

[ismnotwasm]

60. And of course our fucking resident stalker joins in--he has his safe space on darknet

Aka "name removed"

[leftynyc]

5. What you talking about? (nt)

[snooper2]

7. Sometimes I need my safe space so I just close my beautiful eyes and sing this song...

it ALWAYS works!

[hunter]

8. Millions of white men are terrified people will stop listening to them.

What will happen to the world without their superior wisdom?

[loyalsister]

30. +1

The plague of reverse racism is destroying this country.

[TipTok]

43. No such thing...

There's just racism where you treat someone differently because of the color of their skin.

No asterisks or qualifiers...

[loyalsister]

45. I was being sarcastic

There is also no such thing as racism toward the dominant majority as long as they maintain an edge over people of color when it comes to opportunities and relative ease of daily experience.

[TipTok]

48. Same fluff to make people feel justified...

No qualifiers or asterisks...

Racism is racism...

[loyalsister]

49. Same effort to claim a white man's burden

that is more loudly and offensively espoused by white nationalists and their friends.

[TipTok]

50. Hardly...

I just remain intellectually honest enough not to change the definition of words to suit my agenda.

Do as you please...

[hunter]

58. Wait... is there someone in charge of word definitions?

I never knew!

What's the punishment if I use words as I please, in unapproved ways?

[TipTok]

64. Exclusion from adult discussion...

[hunter]

66. Oh no! Who decides if it's "adult discussion?"

How far down this rabbit hole would you like to go?

The phrase "reverse racism" is considered offensive by many very thoughtful adults.

The hatred of the oppressor for the oppressed is not equivalent to any hatred the oppressed feel for their oppressor.

Racism, as it is defined by many thoughtful adults, is not a thing that can be "reversed."

Let's go full Godwin here with Nazism. Is there such a thing as "reverse Nazism?"

Would you dismiss a person's concerns about Nazism by accusing them of "reverse Nazism?"

[TCJ70]

62. You're kidding...

...in your view is racism a mindset or not? That edge you mention when it comes to opportunities and ease of daily life is something most people in the dominant majority have any control over, nor are they primarily responsible for it.

If you want to argue that racism only exists if you have power to enforce it upon others, then you've pretty much said that no one is racist since the vast majority of people don't have power over anyone else, be they members of the majority or not.

Since you asked about definitions down thread, this is how Mirriam-Webster defines racism:

1. A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2. Racial prejudice or discrimination

No mention of minorities being exempt here. Anyone can be prejudiced or discriminatory in various ways.

[ronnie624]

68. Institutionalized racism

comes from the subconscious biases that ordinary people carry with them into their professional capacities. You're wrong when you say most people in the dominant majority bear no responsibity for it.

The key to ending racism, is in recognizing where it comes from.

[leftstreet]

39. +1

[closeupready]

9. Unrec.

[boston bean]

11. undo unrec.

[Iggo]

12. I don't want to trash the word "safe." I think I'm going to try "space" and see if that works.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

19. i know. people against safe spaces are just people who have never experienced

oppression.

[romanic]

38. How presumptuous.

I would be considered "oppressed/marginalized" on many fronts but I think safe spaces and self segregation is stupid. I would never know how to defend myself and deal with different groups if I were cowardly like some people my age are by wanting safe spaces.

[NuclearDem]

40. Sons of multimillionaires typically haven't experienced oppression either.

[Harmony Blue]

28. I am against safe spaces

because it is simply segregation with a new slab of paint.

And learning how to live with others of different backgrounds makes you a better human being.

Why do so called progressive support ideas from 1950's Republicansim?

[loyalsister]

31. 1950s republicans wanted oppressed people to feel safe?

They wanted them to be able to grieve together and discuss their shared experiences with white oppression without the intrusion of representatives of that group who doubt and challenge the existence of that oppression?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

35. i think you fundamentally misunderstand safe spaces. nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

53. DU is a "safe place" in the standard definition. Are you calling DU segregationist? Against DU?

Democratic Underground is a "safe place" in that Republicans and Right Wing talking points are forbidden, except by reference or example for demonstration or illustration.

Safe places are refuges where under-privileged minorities of any kind do not have to be on guard for confrontations where they will have to defend their status at a moment's notice.

[deathrind]

36. SMH...

is amazing.

[whatthehey]

37. People seem to be talking about differrent things here

I doubt very many want to outlaw all possible ways groups use to self-segregate so that there is no "safe" option available. If you do, you are a cruel monster.

I also doubt very many want mandated publicly funded separate spaces for all possible oppressed subgroups in every public university to prevent the slightest possible chance of hearing an unwelcome opinion.. If you do you, are an unrealistic idiot.

The problem comes in when we try to find a way people can self-segregate while still maintaining a valid educational environment and a realistically integrated diverse society. Oh and who should pay for it too.

Voluntary all-minority or all-female dorms? As long as neither notably better nor worse than alternatives, can't see too many realistic objections. Mandatory? Problem in a mixed environment where many will want to live around diversity. Carving out subgroups? Quickly gets unrealistic. Black straight vs biracial trans vs Asian gay etc. That way madness lies. Segregating instruction itself? Would be a grave disservice for people who are being supposedly educated about and for a society in which races, genders, sexualities etc are and must be mixed. So what kinds of spaces are necessary? What to be done with members of historically marginalized groups who prefer to be around an eclectic range of other groups? How do we teach about and for a world which will take many generations, if ever, to overcome all possible microaggressions (and it must be noted that even segregated groups tend to diverge based on what exactly is offensive. Feminists don't have a monolithic view on all pornography between consenting adults for just one example.)

I would imagine a reasonable compromise would, at least on larger campuses, be the availability of non-white, GLBT and female living spaces along with a shared meeting area scheduled like any conference rooms for other smaller/more specific groups to meet for discussion. But the education itself must remain universal I believe. If you don't want to be reminded of racism, how can you expect a course in, say, 19th Century US history to avoid it? Avoid it at the dorm, not in the lecture hall.

[GulfCoast66]

41. Great idea...separate but equal. Why have we not done that before?

"Voluntary all-minority or all-female dorms? As long as neither notably better nor worse than alternatives, can't see too many realistic objections"

Seriously? This is the one of the scariest things I have read on DU. Because if this ever happen then why can't rich white kids not demand non-minority, non LGBT dorms. Because they are white? You have already established that race can be considered in housing and rich white kids need safe spaces too. And once you give it to minorities of any kind, you give it to everyone. 14th amendment folks.

If you support this you may be a leftist, but you are not a liberal. Because if you support this then you do not support the 14th amendment. Not saying you are actively against it, but if this become law then all gains over the last 50 years will be lost.

[whatthehey]

42. You missed the voluntary part, right? Among others...

Since obviously we haven't done that before, in that ooh-evil-bad-analogy-innuendo way anyway.

In private enterprise it is actually quite common. Barber shops are an immediate example. Black and white barbers are well known to do mutual referrals for same-race customers.

And no the 14th wouldn't apply because we have not established race in housing as a need. Notice you accidentally forgot 2/3 of my criteria, eh? GLBT and female are not races. What we would have established as a criterion in housing, voluntarily chosen remember, is membership in a historically marginalized contingent lacking in reasonably proportionate representation in societal power and influence. Rich white people would have a tough time demonstrating that, as would some who genuinely are minorities.

[GulfCoast66]

44. If you create housing

Voluntary or not that only African Americans are allowed into, and it passes court challenges, which it would not, then there is nothing to stop a college from setting up voluntary white only housing.

But both would be, and should be found unconstitutional by a court.

This is dangerous territory for the left to be venturing into.

[Exilednight]

47. I am assuming you are talking universities.

It's a universities mandate to prepare the next generation for the real world. In a real job you can not run to a safe space.

If you want the possibility of becoming successful, then you need to meet problems head on. Running to a safe space and avoiding the issue will just lead to failure.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

51. Fucking spaces are commonly known otherwise as "motels". . . . . nt

[anoNY42]

54. Motels are so last century

the hooker who lived across the street from me until earlier this month just worked out of her house...

Mind you, I had no personal knowledge of this, my other neighbor told me. Honest!

[ismnotwasm]

56. Jesus Christ this thread

Unfucking believable.


It's like the DU MRA/ brigade redux--just waiting for the ones who have not been banned to join in. Wait for it....

[Rex]

59. It is an eye opener.

Not what I expected to read when I opened the thread.

[Uponthegears]

61. Since it is clear

That some white folks believe they have a First Amendment right to maintain the verbal components of the old master/slave relationship, it appears that the only way to correct persistent institutional racism is to "level the playing field" by reversing the historical factors which have left people of color subjugated.

Accordingly, I propose that white people be subjected to 400 years of slavery as practiced in its most reprehensible form (Southern plantation slavery, including, but not limited to the elimination of all social institutions, such as monogamous consensual relationships, family units, education, freedom of expression, etc.). Following that period of time, they will be declared free, but legally discriminated against for another 100 years. Then, we will declare discrimination "over" while they still have only a fraction of the per capita wealth of their old masters, are systemically pushed into deadly police encounters, and are disenfranchised from the political process. After that, we will mock them and call them snowflakes and whine about them wanting a public place where they don't have put up with our incessant demeaning remarks.



And satire.

[bklyncowgirl]

63. Let's say I'm a member of an oppressed group.

and I say something that the rest of the group doesn't like--can they kick me out?

[Lancero]

65. Government mandated safe-spaces anyone?

Yeah, I can see that working. We'll make sure to have signs too, to proclaim just which groups aren't allowed to intrude in those safe spaces - Something like 'No Whites Allowed', or 'No Straight People Allowed'. I just hope we don't have racist and homophobic groups wanting to get themselves a 'No Blacks Allowed' or 'No Gays Allowed' safe space, because that'd just ruin the entire setup for those people who desire to be isolated from everyone else for their own safety.