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11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 02:57 PM Sep 2016

I stand whenever I hear the National Anthem. Furthermore ...

I come to attention (although that part may be so ingrained as to be reflexive).

I also whole-heartedly support Colin Kaepernick, and those who have joined him, in their move to call attention to the blatantly unequal treatment of people of color by authorities in specific, and society as a whole, in these United States of America.

Surely there's a pigeonhole someplace wherein I can be safely tucked away.

(Or perhaps, we Democrats might be able to find consensus allowing for those who stand, and those who sit or kneel; to still be part of the same overarching vision.)

Probably not, but fuck it, I'm a dreamer.

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I stand whenever I hear the National Anthem. Furthermore ... (Original Post) 11 Bravo Sep 2016 OP
I have been standing for over 50 years. MicaelS Sep 2016 #1
I'm standing beside ya!!!!! tonyt53 Sep 2016 #27
Here's a thought - before the national anthem is played, the announce usually says... liberal N proud Sep 2016 #2
That's usually what I hear … something along the lines of ... 11 Bravo Sep 2016 #4
I hear the "remove your hat" all the time underpants Sep 2016 #12
I bet it was prefaced with a "Please" liberal N proud Sep 2016 #31
Yes there is a Please underpants Sep 2016 #32
It's written right into our Constitution lunatica Sep 2016 #3
I'm done standing. (n/t) Iggo Sep 2016 #5
And I respect your right to do so. 11 Bravo Sep 2016 #7
I do not ... but respect those that feel differently about it. etherealtruth Sep 2016 #6
I'm in the same place you are leftynyc Sep 2016 #8
always.. always...ALWAYS. NT clarice Sep 2016 #9
I stood every time I heard the National Anthem. MohRokTah Sep 2016 #10
wow!!! nt clarice Sep 2016 #13
why!!! eom MohRokTah Sep 2016 #14
Just... wow !!! nt clarice Sep 2016 #18
Just... why??? eom MohRokTah Sep 2016 #20
For a lot of reasons......but I'm in a good mood today and don't feel like fighting..... clarice Sep 2016 #22
I will be going to an event tomorrow night where the National Anthem will be played mnhtnbb Sep 2016 #30
I just wonder when"patriotism" turned into a dirty word? nt clarice Sep 2016 #11
Refuge of the scoundrel, blah, blah, blah.... Throd Sep 2016 #17
good point. nt clarice Sep 2016 #21
Because we let the cons do it! 11 Bravo Sep 2016 #29
One reason it's still worth standing Warpy Sep 2016 #15
^ this x 1000. nt clarice Sep 2016 #23
I'm not a nationalist but I stand to attention for you and your arthritisR_US Sep 2016 #16
I stand underpants Sep 2016 #19
Americans are so easily distracted. GeorgeGist Sep 2016 #24
What use is it being pigeonholed...? LanternWaste Sep 2016 #25
to me, standing when one hears the national anthem indicates... 0rganism Sep 2016 #26
Take a breath. There are more of us than you think. WillowTree Sep 2016 #28
When "The Flag" stands for all, then all will stand for the flag. Glassunion Sep 2016 #33

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
2. Here's a thought - before the national anthem is played, the announce usually says...
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:02 PM
Sep 2016

"Please Stand for the National Anthem"

Nowhere has any announcer ever said, you must rise and put your hand over your heart. This is a free nation because we are no forced to honor the flag and what it stands for, but that we are compelled to honor it because we are free to do so.

On edit, I stand as well.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
4. That's usually what I hear … something along the lines of ...
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:07 PM
Sep 2016

"Ladies and gentlemen, please stand for the playing of our National Anthem." I've heard that at numerous sporting venues all across the country.

underpants

(182,803 posts)
12. I hear the "remove your hat" all the time
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:23 PM
Sep 2016

I think I have heard the instruction to put your hand over your heart too.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
3. It's written right into our Constitution
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:07 PM
Sep 2016

Freedom of speech. This freedom extends to expressing oneself.

It's your right to stand as much as it's Colin Kaepernick's right to kneel.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
7. And I respect your right to do so.
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:15 PM
Sep 2016

Furthermore, if some dipshit wearing a "Make America Great Again" hat were to assail you for not standing, I would come to your defense.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
8. I'm in the same place you are
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:18 PM
Sep 2016

I stand but I support what Kaepernick is doing. Anyone who thinks I'm dissing him by doing what I want can kiss my ass.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
10. I stood every time I heard the National Anthem.
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:23 PM
Sep 2016

I haven't been to any event that played the national anthem since Colin Kaepernick started his protest, but the next time I am at such an event, I will not be standing out of solidarity with the BLM movement.

 

clarice

(5,504 posts)
22. For a lot of reasons......but I'm in a good mood today and don't feel like fighting.....
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:29 PM
Sep 2016

I respect your right to take such a stance. peace.

mnhtnbb

(31,389 posts)
30. I will be going to an event tomorrow night where the National Anthem will be played
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 05:15 PM
Sep 2016

and I will not be standing.

I even wrote a LTTE about it which was published in our Raleigh paper last week.

I have explained it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8163960

Personally, I would hope to see us--the US--change our tune and find a new national anthem, one which doesn't glorify
war and imperialism. I'd also like to see this country live up to its rhetoric when it comes to "liberty and justice for all". ALL. EVERYBODY. Not just white folks or Christians or males or heterosexuals.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
17. Refuge of the scoundrel, blah, blah, blah....
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:26 PM
Sep 2016

Patriotism isn't bad in and of itself. It depends on how it is used.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
29. Because we let the cons do it!
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 05:11 PM
Sep 2016

They attempted to usurp the flag, and everything it stands for, and we let them get away with it.

Richard Nixon, who served honorably in WWII as a junior officer in the supply corps; attacked the patriotism of George McGovern, who flew B-24 bombers over Europe into the teeth of the most intense flak barrage in the history of aerial combat.

George W. Bush, who (maybe) completed his service in the Texas ANG, attacked the patriotism of John Kerry; a man who volunteered for duty in the RVN, and earned three Purple Hearts, a Bronze Star, and a Silver Star for valor in combat.

Over the years, I've posted about a couple of dust-ups with sidewalk patriots, and I won't re-visit those here, but I'm fucking sick of conservative armchair warriors trying to assume the mantle of American patriotism.

Fuck 'em! If they want to vote for a vulgar talking yam who equates not getting the clap at Studio 54 in the '80's as his "personal VietNam"; I will call them on it.

Every. Fucking. Time.

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
15. One reason it's still worth standing
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:25 PM
Sep 2016

is that no protester has been arrested and thrown into prison for not standing. That is a really big deal and one of the reasons this country is still something to be proud of, the lack of government interference in matters of private conscience and public expression.

I'll stand if it comes up mostly because my knees are too bad to kneel on. Old age and RA are not a happy combination.

However, the consensus is that standees think the country is something to be proud of. The kneelers think there are things about this country that still need to be fixed. They are both right.

arthritisR_US

(7,288 posts)
16. I'm not a nationalist but I stand to attention for you and your
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:25 PM
Sep 2016

respectful attitude towards those who protest inequity and your love of country.. Well done mate!

underpants

(182,803 posts)
19. I stand
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:26 PM
Sep 2016

and always will. My brother, in his rebellious stage, used to sit. Man our stepfather would be steaming mad. I, frankly, was embarrassed. He wasn't doing it for any reason but to be obnoxious.

If someone has a real reason not to stand, that I am okay with.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
25. What use is it being pigeonholed...?
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:49 PM
Sep 2016

What use is it being pigeonholed...? Is there a mental convenience I'm missing here? Some people believe one thing, others believe something else, while yet others believe still another.

If someone believes something other than what I do, I see that not as a problem to be solved, but as simply part and parcel of the human nature.



0rganism

(23,954 posts)
26. to me, standing when one hears the national anthem indicates...
Wed Sep 14, 2016, 03:57 PM
Sep 2016

... that one implicitly supports Mr. Kaepernick's right to not stand for the national anthem. or that one is a hypocritical (and possibly ignorant) douchebag. either way.

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