Muslim woman to appear in Playboy in a hijab

[mwrguy]

Hijab is becoming more mainstream all the time!

(CNN)Muslim-American journalist Noor Tagouri will appear in Playboy magazine's October issue wearing a hijab, a decision that has elicited praise in some quarters and provoked condemnation in others.

Earlier this year, Playboy enacted several changes, the biggest of which was to do away with fully nude photos.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/27/living/playboy-hijabi-woman-trnd/index.html

[closeupready]

1. Her body, her choice.

I'm fine with it.

[maxsolomon]

2. wearing nothing but a hijab and a smile.

mwrguy's motto: NSPH (never stop promoting hijabs).

[mwrguy]

3. Playboy no longer shows nakedness

[Blue_Tires]

5. Penthouse was the superior publication anyway

[maxsolomon]

9. yeah it was a joke

I'm quite aware of that - I go to a barber where I can keep up with the trends in girlie magazines.

[snooper2]

12. No, they no longer show fully nude- Still showing other body parts

body parts are hot!

[Warren DeMontague]

49. Some more than others.

[Warren DeMontague]

48. THANK GOD!

I guess now we don't have to worry about people getting their jollies looking at nekkid ladies or watching other people fuck, huh.

[smirkymonkey]

78. So they are just going to show a fully clothed woman in a hijab?

I am sure that issue is just going to fly off the shelves.

[Warren DeMontague]

86. I don't think Playboy, in general, is selling all that well these days.

Apparently, people can find pornography for free on the internet. Who knew?

[smirkymonkey]

88. Seriously, why would they give up free porn on the internet to

buy a magazine to see a fully clothed woman in a hijab? But whatever turns people on, I guess.

[Matrosov]

8. There'll only be stoning if she shows some ankle N/T

[Blue_Tires]

6. She's fully clothed

that was part of her agreement...

Which makes me wonder why they don't just simply say she was 'interviewed'

[patsimp]

77. definitely appears that way.

[msongs]

7. is there a magazine showing men wearing a hijab .... or a burka?

[maxsolomon]

10. why would there be?

god isn't offended by men's vanity.

[ck4829]

11. Or a bikini?

[snooper2]

13. There is this thing called Playgirl

[ck4829]

14. I suppose one could ask them to do a pictorial of that

But so far I don't think they have, just from a cursory search anyway.

[Agnosticsherbet]

76. Traditional male clothing can be the Thawb, Ghutra and Egal, the Bisht

There are other traditional forms in various parts of the world.

[Marengo]

15. Your palpable joy for hijabs becoming mainstream is rather interesting.

[mwrguy]

16. Jihab is nice, classy, and respectful.

[Marengo]

21. Respectful to whom, and why?

[guillaumeb]

27. Respectful to all who choose to wear it. It is called freedom.

And that even includes the freedom to disagree.

[Marengo]

28. And what of those who have no choice but to wear it? Like it or not, it is a symbol of oppression.

Is wearing it by choice respectful towards those who might face dire consequences for not wearing it or other veiling garments?

[guillaumeb]

29. We are speaking here of one specific person making one specific decision.

Do you consider yourself qualified to speak for all who wear the veil?

[Marengo]

32. I am criticizing the characterization of it as respectful when there are women who cannot...

Make the decision whether or not to wear veiling garments without suffering potentially fatal consequences.

[guillaumeb]

52. And there are women who cannot access mediacl procedures due to religious prejudice.

Including in the US. But in this particular case, involving this particular woman, it is a choice. You might disagree with her choice, but that choice is hers to make.

[Marengo]

66. Can you link or cite where I stated she didn't have a choice?

[guillaumeb]

73. You were the one who brought up force in this conversation.

Not me.

[Marengo]

33. Does the person in question have the freedom to remove it whenever she chooses, the freedom...

Not to wear it in public?

[guillaumeb]

54. You could probably ask her.

Now in France, certain civil authorities were trying to prevent women from choosing what to wear in public. Was this also a problem for you? Or are there limits to freedom if you disagree with the choices?

[Marengo]

70. I am aware that the French are fiercely protective of secularism, but it is my opinion...

That "burqa bans" are excessively authoritarian and I don't support them. As far as the freedom of expression is concerned, I'm an extremist in favor of it. As regressive and in a manner offensive as I regard the choice to wear that garment is, you'll not find me advocating any prohibitions against doing so.

[Warren DeMontague]

58. So, okay, serious questions, since this seems to be a topic of interest to you:

and that's fine- I have the things that interest me, we've got the people who only want to talk about driverless cars, you like hijab threads. Great.

So let me ask: is it that you like the way they look? Is it a fashion thing?

is it you like that women who choose to wear them for religious reasons have the freedom to do so without catching grief for it (which I support as well, of course)?

Are you bothered when you see women NOT wearing them?

[mwrguy]

68. The second one

That they can choose to wear them without being persecuted.

It's also a symbol of tolerance over Islamophobia.

I got sick of seeing so many (on DU and other places) denigrate Muslims and women who choose hijab.

[Warren DeMontague]

69. I am firmly in favor of individual choice.

Wear it, don't wear it. I'm busy enough with my own head, don't need to worry about what other people do with theirs.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

83. Curiously, you avoided Warren's last question

Quite frankly, if Playboy was still nekkid Playboy, I feel like you would have a totally different take on the wearing a hijab thing within it's pages. But you tell me....

[LanternWaste]

17. Almost as interesting as ballcaps being mainstream.

Almost as interesting as ballcaps being mainstream.

[Marengo]

19. Heh, as if. You're welcome to peddle that absurd comparison elsewhere.

[LanternWaste]

20. They are each as irrelevant as the other

They are each as irrelevant as the other, regardless of your desire for peddling.

[Marengo]

22. If that were true, you would have a point. But it's not, so you don't.

[LanternWaste]

23. Yours is a most creative allegation lacking any objective evidence.

Yours is a most creative allegation lacking any objective evidence. In essence, little more than another in a line of simplistic bumper-stickers maintaining the fictional pretense of wit.

Nice ball cap, little fella.

[Marengo]

25. Fictional is your attempt to equate the two. It's a farcical attempt to appeal cerebral I suppose.

Feel free to roll with that though, it's quite illuminating.

[closeupready]

34. Your contempt for freedom of choice is typical of DU.

You want complete freedom for yourself in all matters, but when it comes to muslim women, they need you to save them, and in this case, to save them from themselves and their choices.

I'm reminded here of "9 to 5" - as I recall, there was a scene where Lily Tomlin offered Jane Fonda some M&M's, and Fonda's character, shocked and appalled, angrily denounced "all that perverted stuff, leather and whips, etc."

[ck4829]

37. It is a little strange that we're stopping at just hijabs

It's social norms that Muslim women wear hijabs, now of course that might mean different things in different places, but in Miss Tagouri's case, someone who calls herself a feminist and looking at the things she says and does, someone who is clearly an ally... no, a sister in the ideology that we all have on this forum (or supposed to have), it is clearly a choice, her way of saying "Hey world, I'm Muslim" in addition to it being part of her faith.

It's also social norms that we wear clothes at all at the root of it, but nobody calls it's oppression that we have to wear pants.

[closeupready]

39. Yes, thank you. Agreed to this.

[Marengo]

41. This discussion certainly does beg the question of what of any clothing at all. There are those...

In the west who regard the social norms of at least some measure of body covering to be oppressive. But, I'm left to ponder the consequences for someone in a typical American city who chooses not to wear genital covering clothing in public in contrast to a woman in Saudi Arabia who doesn't cover her head.

[ck4829]

44. Let's just hope the typical American city isn't Chamblee, Georgia

[Marengo]

38. Apparently it is you who holds contempt, for comprehension. Where have I stated she does not...

Or should not have the freedom of choice? Where is it written that I do not have the freedom to criticize her choice? It is my opinion that as long as there are woman who are mandated to wear veiling garments by the force and penalty of law, the hijab is a symbol of oppression. As for my own sensibilities, I'd love to wear a pith helmet in my travels in Asia. IMO, pith helmets are one one sharpest styles of headgear ever imagined by humanity. However, I don't. Why is that? Because of what the pith helmet, especially worn by an Anglo, symbolizes in that region (among others as well) Colonial exploitation. Sure, I have the freedom to wear it, but the sense not to being aware of the symbolism.

[closeupready]

40. Okay, understood.

[LanternWaste]

18. This will certainly appeal to the "Swimsuit editions of Sports Illustrated are relevant to sports"..

This will certainly appeal to the sub-literate and "Swimsuit editions of Sports Illustrated are relevant to sports" crowds.

[Warren DeMontague]

50. it will?

Maybe I'm sub-literate, but your post doesn't make any sense, champ.

Are you saying the pro-swimsuit people want to see women covered up? Seems a bit contradictory.

[FSogol]

24. I only read it for the articles, but maybe I'll make an exception and look at the pictures for once.

[ck4829]

26. People want Muslims to assimilate, then complain when they actually do

"I personally want to thank my dear LGBTQ friends who have always had my back during times of backlash after attacks and who have always been so loving and supportive of me as a person and my journey. I pray we can continue to persist together and work in changing the dialogue and representation of both groups in a positive direction."

The very same Noor Tagouri.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BGsZDmWogAr/

Muslims like Noor Tagouri are not just our allies here politically, they are the key to stopping groups like Daesh. They should be welcomed and celebrated for getting coverage.

[PersonNumber503602]

30. Sure to piss of intolerant nuts on all sides...

Can't say I have problems with that.

I hope she stays safe.


*Also, so it playboy now essentially like Maxim or Sports Illustrated? I had no idea they went non-nude.

[Nye Bevan]

31. That is incredibly brave of her.

I hope she stays safe.

[One Black Sheep]

35. Hell, why not. I say let her and other Muslim women appear in a full body and face covering clothing

if they want to in Playboy...doesn't hurt anybody.

If someone really wants to see nude pics of women, the internet is always there, with metric tons of 'em.

[Warren DeMontague]

36. I can't quite fathom why I should care one way or the other.

[jberryhill]

51. OMG! We must be very outraged and/or happy

Or something.

[Warren DeMontague]

53. I'm happy the days are gone when people had to spend $6 on a magazine just to see naked ladies

god bless the intertubes.

[JanMichael]

56. Maybe though - just food for thought - the ease of access is not a good thing?

Maybe when you had to embarrassingly ask the stoner behind the counter of a Circle K for a issue of Playboy, Playgirl, Hustler or Butttime Stories, (and he or she repeated it back so loud the people pumping gas could hear your request) it added a little bit to your sense of accomplishment and fortitude?

Maybe just maybe when you had to enter the "adult" room at the local mom and pop video store to get a copy of On Golden Blonde or Sperms of Enderarment it showed you had some courage and self worth to withstand the judgmental glares of other patrons?

Now it is just a click of a mouse, in a dark room with candles and incense burning, and all sorts of sex appears in tubes or videos...and box of tissue close to the chair...

No courage no sweaty palms no mumbling a pathetic joke to the gum chewing, hair twirling, cashier that takes your $4 for that VHS tape of Something Wicked This Way Cums...Gawd forbid you forget to return it on-time and a letter gets sent to you demanding its return (and a late fee of $20) which your girlfriend or grandmother may get first.

No I think it was better before the internet. It made you grow up and accept your faults. Now its just jerking off for free with a cell phone shot of a drunk chick or dude on the monitor. Pretty trashy and unfulfilling.

This is almost like Boogie Nights when the world was lamenting the loss of art in porn...

[Warren DeMontague]

57. I don't.

The local video store has suffered, that's about it. The 'culture' is, by most rational metrics, a fuckton better than it used to be. And, perhaps not coincidentally, it's a lot less uptight around things like LGBT sexuality and consenting adults doing things in their own homes like smoking pot or tying each other up for a '50 shades' suburban thrill.

But, then, not everyone thinks lashing the mast, flogging the bishop, choking the chicken, etc is what should be rationally defined as a "fault", particularly when pretty much fucking everyone does it. And yes, most people look at porn, too.

The big difference between internet era and before is, if you were the one gay teen growing up in Mad Dog, Texas, you might have bought into all that Jesus-laden shame bullshit around what a freak you were for your sexual orientation. Now due to interconnection it is much easier for people to find community.

Withstand the judgmental glare? Hell, I regularly log onto DU in the early evening when the post-retirement crowd is having its daily low blood sugar "damn kids today the world is spinning to hell in a handbasket" conniption, to defend the first amendment and the right of people to search for rocco siffreddi on youporn. I don't give a fuck. Didn't then, don't now.

The people who should be shamed are the ones still trying to lay the last century's misguided sexual shame programming on the rest of us.

[JanMichael]

60. The only thing that I truly agree with is more safety for LGBTQ folks.

I never said the choking of the chicken or waxing the pole was a bad thing. Hell half of the people posting on DU might be multitasking (or pretending to do it because most people cannot) as they post. Doesn't matter to me.

I think I was just trying to say that when one has to work a little to get something then it might be better. Why? Because it took some effort to get off ones ass and navigate the retail porn world. Ok not dinging the immobiles here. But like internet dating has allowed people to have more and perhaps better opportunities in dating it has also made people lazy and easier targets for numbers players and serial killers. Still a "good" thing but it opens up some other issues.

But back to the LGBTQ kids, I am totally happy that they have some additional safety because of the internet. No doubt. I hate how people attack them now and in the past.

But for straight guy? Pfft. Too easy overall and too easy to escalate to unimaginable things that do not translate well or reasonably into to the real world. We are now losing those activities (like stupid trips to the local vid store) that make us deal with real life (and maybe meet local people that aren't awful) and instead getting really comfy with no hassle instant gratification.

Lastly I agree with the outmoded sexual purity bullshit. Maybe I secretly enjoyed the goofy process of renting or buying porn? Who knows. I just think we've become a lazy and sluggish culture partially due to sitting all of the time in front of a monitor.

[Warren DeMontague]

63. Seems a bit like 'walking uphill through snow both ways when I was a kid'

I just think the hyperbolic noise around how the internet, cell phones, tech, etc are destroying humanity, is overblown. Not just porn. Witness this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8187155

perfect example of why a guy like me - no spring chicken, by any stretch - finds the tenor of this place a bit musty, cranky and ridiculously out of touch.

But to hammer on (excuse the pun) the topic just a bit more... again, I don't believe that smut is actually causing anyone to "escalate to unimaginable things", etc. Instead, people are just able to get into the stuff they've always been inclined to get into, just now they can do it in private without having to announce to the Circle K that they like feet or bubble butts or hirsute grannies or whatever it may be. And why shouldn't straight people (sorry, "straight guy&quot have some expectation of personal privacy around sexuality, just like anyone else? As long as everyone on every end is a consenting adult, who the fuck cares?

Yeah, it may have been character building for some of us to walk up to the guy behind the register, look him straight in the eye, and ask for "thigh high boot whip goddesses", back in the day--- but character growth is an internal process, and what works for moi might not work for thou. And not to belabor the point, but if you're the one guy in Laramie who asks for "rough trade leather daddies" instead, your character building episode of publicly announcing what you're into, might lead to Cletus and Rosco beating the shit out of you with a tire chain, in the parking lot.

So I don't lament what has been lost. I think the freedom is a good thing.

[JanMichael]

65. No biggie. I've enjoyed the creative terms for mags and films. Off to sleep now. nt

[Egnever]

42. That is going to go over well

[Warren DeMontague]

47. I'm sure all 5 people who still buy playboy will not care.

Honestly, they have bigger problems, as does the rest of the print magazine industry.

[romanic]

43. "Hijab is becoming more mainstream all the time!"

[IMG][/IMG]

If you say so...

[mwrguy]

45. even Vogue is liking hijab

http://www.vogue.com/13384616/dolce-gabbana-hijab-abaya-collection/

[Warren DeMontague]

46. Vogue also likes weed

http://www.vogue.com/13276081/high-fashion-legal-weed-industry-is-becoming-more-stylish/

[maxsolomon]

59. vogue wants to sell magazines to women "who like hijab"

so does dolce and gabbana. money is money, and there's lots to be made from women "who like hijab", or have to wear it culturally.

do you think jewish men "like yarmulke"?

[mwrguy]

61. It's a rapidly growing market

I can't tell you what Jewish men like.

[maxsolomon]

71. because the population of muslims is growing?

or because women "who like hijab" have more disposable income?

its not conversions.

[mwrguy]

87. Both

[smirkymonkey]

79. What I would like to know in both of these cases - Vogue and Playboy -

is what is the effing point? The whole point of hijab (or any islamic headcovering) is modesty. There is NOTHING modest about posing in either Vogue or Playboy. Both acts are basically about "look at meeeeeee"! High fashion is all about flaunting yourself and your money. If you are going to do that, why bother with the hijab?

Sorry, I know this sound like I am coming at you and I'm not. I just think this whole thread is so stupid and I am sick of the people on this board who are always pushing islamic head coverings for women.

[maxsolomon]

81. well, this whole thread IS stupid, I agree.

and hijab is being "pushed on this board" by one poster. see the OP.

also, so today's thread on "mainstreaming" FGM.

[Orrex]

72. The real litmus test will be the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

55. alt-Right has sad: Another favorite magazine they have to give up along with actors & TV shows. nt

[Skittles]

62. no matter what your station in life

we will make a sex object out of you

[Warren DeMontague]

64. too late

way too late. I'm like fucking Garbo, over here. I vant to be alone.

[davidn3600]

67. Muslims are more likely to be angry at this than Playboy magazine subscribers

People who buy this magazine just want to see naked women (and read the articles, of course). They don't care what country they are from.

The ones who are more likely to care are the religious folks....including Muslims. If this woman did this in Syria or Iran or Saudi Arabia.....she could be killed.

[maxsolomon]

82. Muslim men like naked women like any man anywhere

they spend just as much, if not more time viewing pornography.

different rules for different sexes in a patriarchal theocracy.

[ck4829]

74. The article itself is in the link

http://www.playboy.com/articles/renegades-noor-tagouri

"Her 2015 TEDx talk advocated unapologetic individuality, and her YouTube channel draws tens of thousands of viewers. More recently, she collaborated with streetwear brand Lis’n Up Clothing on a fashion line that includes a Jean-Michel Basquiat–inspired sweatshirt. Half the purchase proceeds go to Project Futures, an anti-human-trafficking organization."

It needs to be repeated apparently; Noor Tagouri isn't our ally, she is our sister.

[Atman]

75. Playboy employees should be packing up their desks and calling the moving vans.

NOT BECAUSE OF THIS PHOTO FEATURE. Although I'm sure there will plenty of the usual suspects who will only read my sub line and then jump to conclusions.

My point is this, entirely. Don't read your own bullshit into it; Playboy has ceased to be relevant. It's market is gone. In its heyday, Playboy appealed to young professionals (and teen-aged wannabees) with a combination of insightful reporting, quality fiction, brilliant illustration and cartoon, ribald satire, and of course, photographs of beautiful women at a time when the internet did not exist, and seeing pretty people, male or female, was not de riguer on cable tv.

This is a blatant attempt to say "Look at me! We're not a titty mag anymore!" Heck, for decades Playboy wouldn't even post full-frontal photos. Now they think they draw a new market by publishing another Men's magazine in a market flooded with Maxim, GQ, Esquire, etc, all who've honed the Men's market for years? Not gonna happen.

Playboy had a good run. Hang on to those boxes of back issues you have under the stairwell...they'll fetch a couple of bucks an issue at the flea market some day. But in today's media market, this wreaks of desperation. They got some PR out of it on the national news, but it will help them sell more than a few dozen extra copies.

RIP Playboy.

[Puzzledtraveller]

80. Best response.

Reality.

[smirkymonkey]

84. Is there a point to doing this?

Because honestly, I can't see it.

[JI7]

85. because she is featured in sime articles that are doing on a few people

This makes it seem like is just some pics of her.

[ManiacJoe]

89. Gotta love the click-bait article titles.

She will be fully clothed. The hijab will be a small amount of the clothing she will be wearing.

[smirkymonkey]

90. Honestly, I really want to know what is the point of this?

I don't get it. Hijab is all about modesty. Posing in a magazine like Playboy, or any other magazine for that matter, is exactly the opposite of that. What point is she trying to make?

[ck4829]

91. The article isn't risque at all

She is really a wonderful person, it is really unfortunate some people are spinning this into something that, quite frankly, shows they aren't really interested in what she has to say at all in order to preserve their little mentalities.

http://www.playboy.com/articles/renegades-noor-tagouri

[smirkymonkey]

92. I'm not saying that it's risque or that she is not a wonderful person, I am just

wondering what kind of statement she is trying to make by doing this. It seems very incongruent with traditional islamic values.