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This election seems to morphing into the most hateful event since the Civil War. The only thing really missing is armed conflict. Each day Trump and his allies inflame, cajole and encourage the "faithful" Trump humpers to be more aggressive and mean. The rallies sound more like a Confederate war cry than they do an election rally.
Trump exuded so much hate during the faux debate that it was palpable. Never in the history of debate has a candidate showed so much anger and visceral hatred toward and opponent. In another venue Hillary would have been assaulted. And GOP supporters grow more hateful of others who are NOT GOP supporters. I see few signs out for either candidate where I live. And I see no bumper stickers either.
In some areas putting a Hillary or Dem bumper sticker on your car most likely will put you and your family in danger. The likely hood of confrontation with a Trump bumper is likely growing every day. And it could really get dicey should it be really clear that Trump is going to lose.
At 72 I have never seen an election that feels this vicious and hateful. We are at an impasse where NO progress seems possible and the GOP is willing to scuttle the entire nation rather than have a government that works. .
pangaia
(24,324 posts)TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)The next 30 days looks more and more ominous. The little snippets of Trump rallies and his stump speech seem to be close to incitement of violence. Ginning up the crowd and being more onerous is a strategy. They want to turn enough voters off people do not vote. That strategy is another tactic to drive down the vote.
The reaction of the crowd to Trump's diatribes is deranged. The code talk is that Hillary and the Democrats will destroy you and your family. Go get them.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)A very BIG mistake.
It will be all "fun and games" for them until the black helicopters show up.
lilsourgoose
(92 posts)...perhaps when Trump's insane techniques crash and burn and he goes down in electoral flames, the Republican voters (if there are any left) will gravitate towards the most stable, most polite candidate available come the next election cycle? Surely no one wants a repeat of this mess.
King_Klonopin
(1,307 posts)No longer a heated debate based on different beliefs or ideas.
I live in Massachusetts, which is one of the more blue states
in the country. I see a smattering of Trump signs and bumper
stickers, but rarely a Clinton sign or sticker. I do not have
either myself, as I usually don't bother with them. But, I was
thinking to myself that these people with the Trump signs and
stickers must truly believe he is a better candidate and a better
PERSON than Hillary Clinton. Therefore, they must be so irrational
and so full of rage that I wouldn't want to invite the briefest of
interaction or political "conversation" with such a person.
I suspect this is the reason why we don't see many Clinton signs:
If I have to convince you that Clinton is vastly superior to Trump
in every measure, then you are beyond reason or redemption.
MFM008
(19,820 posts)struggle4progress
(118,356 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)The lines of the fracture may shift a bit from time to time, but it has been so since the country was founded and before. This is hardly anything new. The only real changes are the technology that delivers us the information on the various forms of the fracture to our homes, cell phones and computers.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)Why should people on the Left be afraid of our agenda succeeding?
If the alt-right doesn't like it, they can get out.
They don't own this country.
spinbaby
(15,090 posts)So we'll have a lot of deranged and bitter Trump supporters with guns. What could possibly go wrong?
MiniMe
(21,719 posts)Snarkoleptic
(6,002 posts)I feel that Reagan started the slide into madness with his loony economic policies.
Add to that Limbaugh and Murdoch, who blamed and vilified liberalism, and taught those who lack critical skills to vote against their own interest and boom...here we are.
GWC58
(2,678 posts)the Fairness Doctrine was scuttled? That was the start of RW hate radio. 30 some years of that shit has accomplished what it set out to do, push conservative "values." I, myself, find those people, Limbaugh, Hewitt, etc, etc to be repugnant and repulsive!
underahedgerow
(1,232 posts)the bare bones and rebuild it correctly, with elements you know are proven and that will work for the long term. Most problems in any system, whether it's machinery, a household or in business and government are caused by shoddy workmanship, too many 'cooks in the kitchen', each with a different idea on how something should work, and by using cheap materials.
The US political system is broken. There are so, so many ways it can be improved, but it has to come from a small, well advised consensus, which means, again, changing something dramatically.
Frankly, the system is far too large, bloated and cumbersome, and the first thing that needs to be dramatically overhauled is the election system and the Constitution.
Good luck. Me and Obama? We could fix it and create something wonderful.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)His round-ups should have RaHoWa and Skrewdriver as a soundtrack.
He's got the jackbooted thugs removing anyone that doesn't look right.
Tom Metzger and David Duke's dreams came true. White Nationalism got mainstreamed.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)kentuck
(111,110 posts)The campaign of Donald Trump is just the culmination of many events over the last several years.
They cannot accept that the majority of America does not agree with them. It must be rigged? Or it is the fault of the "lamestream media"?
Trump has been very bad for our country. He has sown derision and division and has appealed to the worst parts of our nature.
It is unfortunate that once the election is over that everything cannot go back to normal. But, it can't. We have to deal with the extremism, the racism, and the sexism that Donald Trump has introduced with his divisive campaign.
That might be the toughest job for the new President?
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)They cannot accept that the majority of America does not agree with them. It must be rigged? Or it is the fault of the "lamestream media"?
When Bush was voted into office twice, nobody went with the rigged election thing? Everyone on the left loves the mainstream media? Everyone thinks the vote is rigged against their side if they lose, and everybody blames the mainstream media for everything.
The only thing that holds this country together are taxes and inertia.
ananda
(28,877 posts)If she gets the senate, things can really get better
with a new SCOTUS.
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)You either make the other side conform to what you want them to do, or give everyone enough fuck you money that nobody has to deal with anyone they disagree with.
kwolf68
(7,365 posts)There will be violence...if it has been pounded non stop into your head for 20-30 years via faux media conglomerates and AM radio hucksters that Democrats are enemies of the state and you follow that up with liberty's tree must be washed with blood battle cry and ALL of this propaganda is centered toward uneducated men with lots of guns the consequences are not hard to fathom.
spanone
(135,886 posts)so he'll never really lose, they will steal it from him
ileus
(15,396 posts)4 more years roll by bunches of anti Hillary and Barack folks will have went to the grave. The rest will have gave up to our way of being.