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"The point is, though, if none of these caused Trump to lose a significant amount of support before because he rose, and rose, and rose in the polls despite and sometimes seemingly because of these things, is this latest Trump pile of awful really that dramatically different from his others to the degree that it will cause him to lose a lot of support? I would venture a big fat no, despite my strong wish that this not be the case."
nini
(16,672 posts)They are pretty much over him. They've made their money from the horse race they created and can just go after him now.
Jnew28
(931 posts)joshcryer
(62,277 posts)... And less effort to mimic a horse race.
Jnew28
(931 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(72,381 posts)Phentex
(16,334 posts)I think there's been a tipping point.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)General. Women will not return to Trump. The country is getting sick and tired of the guy and so is the Republican Party for that matter. His donor money is drying up and Trump has gone totally Breitbart in desperation. I believe it's over for Trump.
Jnew28
(931 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)But, EVERYONE knows about that tape. Even Republican women and Christian groups are crossing over. In Trump's mind, he simply can't bear a loss on the world's largest stage. He will go totally Breitbart, implode and blame it on the Republicans and a rigged system.
Jnew28
(931 posts)70% of the American population know he is a fugging racist idiot.
Jnew28
(931 posts)...if something else major comes out against Hillary, it "may" change the equation.
But after the two women that came forward, it may actually be over...
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)stick with him, yes, but there don't seem to be enough of them compared to the voters in demographic groups who can't stand him.
Trump's percentages of support are lower than Romney's, and Romney lost.
Jnew28
(931 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)women-and-minority outreach program after Romney bit the dust in 2012.
A half-hearted effort as made, and then abandoned, when the far right began to howl their objections.
Right now they appear to be far worse off in all the demographic groups they need just to match Romney's losing performance.
If Trump-Pence goes on to be trounced, the GOP has several problems to face. The first one is that they don't have any leader.
Jnew28
(931 posts)...But he chose Trump 1.0, which pushed out the intellectual core of the Republican Party.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)others told McCain, "Look, the demographics aren't good for you in this one. If you choose Lieberman, it's over. If you pick Palin, you at least stir up the base and give yourself a fighting chance."
Evidently Joe Lieberman was McCain's first choice. Pretty sure Lieberman would have jumped at the chance to bootlick on the Republican ticket.
Palin ruined it for McCain pretty much the first week after the convention. The McCain team must have huddled around in a tavern somewhere and said, "My god, she's a complete idiot." One of them might even have said, "Yeah, and we're the idiots who put her on this ticket."
Jnew28
(931 posts)conservative female. But, they clearly didn't factor in intelligence as a crucial factor...
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)vetted by a long-time GOP attorney stalwart, who thought the meeting was merely a kind of protocol introduction. The attorney assumed Palin had already been vetted by McCain's crew and reported that he liked her verve, and the McCain team reportedly told McCain that the attorney had vetted Palin.
"I thought you guys already vetted her!"
"O jeez, we thought you did!"
It was as bad a screwup as when Ben Carson lost his luggage!
...arguably the worst vetting in American presidential history - well, 2nd to Andrew Johnson, who gave his first State of the Union smashed as all hell.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)firewater just before that inaugural. Franklin Pierce left office and more or less drank himself first to oblivion and then on to death.
It's a tough job, to be fair. Didn't Pierce, drunk, injure a woman when he lost control of his horse in a parade?
Then we have Dubya painting pictures of his toes in the bathtub.
America has often been a place where power and dysfunction meet. I think the modern-day GOP is a strong case in point.
Jnew28
(931 posts)...and Johnson used a shotgun to shoot at Southerners on a whistle stop tour.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)qdouble
(891 posts)controversy on the Clinton side, I don't see anyway he can turn this around enough with less than a month to go.
Even worse for them, is that they have increased the enthusiasm on the Clinton side...if Trump continues his meltdown, it may be a blowout.
Jnew28
(931 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,220 posts)After the first debate debacle ("That makes me smart" , then the leak of his tax return with the BILLION DOLLAR LOSS, the momentum started to shift. Oh, and the Alicia Machado (Miss Universe) controversy. But the latest "Grab them by the pussy" seems to have sealed the deal. But it ain't over til it's over.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Two people I happen to know very well are excusing Trump by saying (and I quote from one), "Everyone can hear worse things from rappers, even our children are exposed to everything immoral by songs, immoral dress, dance and even the way lady news women dress with dresses up to their &@#%3 and dresses down to their navels, Megan Kelly for instance, who dresses like a call girl. What lousy hypocrites!!"
So that makes Trump's behavior okay? And rappers and news commentators are running for president now? And "immoral" songs, dress, and dance are equivalent to sexual assault?
The same person thinks it would be just fine to have a President Trump represent the people of the United States. This is a church-attending, devout Catholic, no less, who can't stand Pope Francis but loved his severe, unforgiving predecessor.
I happen to know for a fact that this individual's real reason is bitter, angry hatred for minorities, immigrants, and especially the poor who need government assistance "from my taxes!" And all things liberal, especially the Clintons and Obamas. The others I referred to share the same opinion.
Talk about mind-blowing "lousy hypocrites"!
Jnew28
(931 posts)...to say that bragging about womanizing and potentially degrading sexual positions, because it still doesn't fall to the level of Donald Trump's "rapey rhetoric."
silverweb
(16,402 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,924 posts)They let Melania off the hook.
If they are attacking women for the way they dress - then they should be dropping him because of . . .
Hypocrites of the highest order.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I rather forgot about Melania while I was typing that.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)Jnew28
(931 posts)mnmoderatedem
(3,729 posts)yes, he's had numerous gaffes in the past that would have been disqualifiers for anyone else, particularily Hillary, no in the sense that this incident seems to be more damaging to his campaign than anything prior.
I still can't believe the little coward accepted a Purple Heart he had no business accepting without any campaign ramifications. Imagine if Hillary had done THAT.
Jnew28
(931 posts)...rhetorical bravery on a tour bus?
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Awesome!
And stupid.
Jnew28
(931 posts)...grow a pair and respond to the subject matter.
#Weak
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Color me shocked.. How many months now have you just been spamming us with your ridiculous stupid party links ...
As far as the content well it's so ridiculous I can't be bothered. Standard click bait nonsense from you.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Jnew28
(931 posts)...not.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Jnew28
(931 posts)Jnew28
(931 posts)...obtain the Senate.