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Global warming is just a theory, you say.... (Original Post) ehrnst Jun 2012 OP
Most people don't know what "theory" means in scientific terms... Wounded Bear Jun 2012 #1
Very true...and a lot of unscientific people think it means "Guess" or worse... BlueJazz Jun 2012 #2
Or the germ theory of disease. meeksgeek Jun 2012 #3
Off-topic rant jeff47 Jun 2012 #6
Fair enough meeksgeek Jun 2012 #8
Which is doubly-ironic, since there's no science behind the marketing. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2012 #9
agreed - you don't need to convince me (eom) meeksgeek Jun 2012 #10
That's not what google says Johonny Jun 2012 #16
wonder how many record highs we have set this year? rurallib Jun 2012 #4
The GOP can deny it all they want... Brooklyn Dame Jun 2012 #5
It's a hard thing to come to terms with. raouldukelives Jun 2012 #7
Actually the OP is wrong. former9thward Jun 2012 #11
Not completely ehrnst Jun 2012 #12
From your link: former9thward Jun 2012 #13
Gravity is a Law, Relativity is a Theory Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #14
I think Science is rethinking that Bandit Jun 2012 #15
What? Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #17
When you prefix your sentence with "supposedly" Bandit Jun 2012 #18
I have not measured the effect myself, therefore I am taking their word for it Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #19

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)
1. Most people don't know what "theory" means in scientific terms...
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 10:15 AM
Jun 2012

Most laymen and all detractors confuse "theory" with "hypothesis." Much like evolution, GW went past the hypothesis stage many years ago.

meeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
3. Or the germ theory of disease.
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 10:49 AM
Jun 2012

My own brother-in-law believes illness is all in the mind. In spite of this, his house has lots of anti-bacterial soap.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
6. Off-topic rant
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:51 AM
Jun 2012

Ahem....

ALL SOAP IS ANTIBACTERIAL!!!

Thank you. We will now return to our regularly scheduled thread

Signed, former microbiologist annoyed at dumb product marketing.

meeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
8. Fair enough
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 12:28 PM
Jun 2012

I think my point was that he has fallen for the marketing term while rejecting the science behind it.

rurallib

(62,416 posts)
4. wonder how many record highs we have set this year?
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:04 AM
Jun 2012

We are looking at a near 100 degree day today. Far as I know we have never had 100 in June in Iowa.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
7. It's a hard thing to come to terms with.
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 12:20 PM
Jun 2012

The reality of human created climate change will not be accepted by pretty much everyone I've met on the right and even some on the left.
I recently had the joyful experience of being around a large group of local business leaders at play and drunk off their asses. The topic had been aroused by discussing record snowfalls from years past and how it never even comes close anymore. I brought up how the local flora & fauna have been changing with the loss of rainfall, shortened seasons, higher temperatures etc. I mentioned how it was unfortunate we had created this mess and looked to have no plans of not only slowing down, taking a step back and realizing the enormity of what we are accomplishing but charging full steam ahead into assured loss of the landscape we were walking on.
Everything had been fine up to that point. Once I breached that forbidden topic I was apparently slightly blacklisted. I was informed that this was just a cyclical pattern and that in a few years the glorious weather of yesterday would be returning in full regalia.
And that was it. Out of large group of these guys not one broached the possibility it was us possibly contributing to it or even hinted at a defense of my statement. I suppose it would have been a bad career move if they did think for themselves momentarily.

But yeah, hard to accept it for them. I suppose when you have a spent a lifetime of working, investing, expanding, profiting and congratulating yourself for creating the very things now known responsible and causing the coming horrible suffering of billions isn't pleasant. Not when your the man. The mover and shaker. The pillar of the business community who works hard and plays harder and knows his legacy will be that of a hard nosed developer who loved his family and not as an ignorant, selfish man who knowingly squandered the gifts of this world in exchange for a little money.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
12. Not completely
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 04:45 PM
Jun 2012
http://thehappyscientist.com/science-experiment/gravity-theory-or-law

"While laws rarely change, theories change frequently as new evidence is discovered. Instead of being discarded due to new evidence, theories are often revised to include the new evidence in their explanation. The Theory of General Relativity has adapted as new technologies and new evidence have expanded our view of the universe.

So when we are scientifically discussing gravity, we can talk about the law that describes the attraction between two objects, and we can also talk about the theory that describes why the objects attract each other. "

former9thward

(32,007 posts)
13. From your link:
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 06:22 PM
Jun 2012
Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation as I stated. No scientist would agree with the OP making the two equal in weight. None.
 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
14. Gravity is a Law, Relativity is a Theory
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 06:27 PM
Jun 2012

So you can talk about Relativity and how it explains gravity, but talking about gravity being a theory makes no sense.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
15. I think Science is rethinking that
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 06:35 PM
Jun 2012

After the discovery of Dark Matter and the absence of what should be normal gravity attached to it.. I think pretty much all Scientific "Law" has been abandoned to Theory because so much is yet unknown.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
17. What?
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 08:16 PM
Jun 2012

It is the fact that there must be more matter than we see present in galaxies that has given rise to the belief in dark matter.


Supposedly, galaxies are spinning so fast that they would simply fly apart if not for the presence of so much unseen matter and it's gravitational effect on that galaxy.


Nothing has challenged Relativity. Nothing.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
18. When you prefix your sentence with "supposedly"
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:03 PM
Jun 2012

It hardly makes for good "Law" That pretty much places it back into the theory mode if you ask me...Also when you get into quantum physics, it is a fact a single particle can be in two places at the same time, which puts many questions into the workings of gravity and other known "Laws"...

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
19. I have not measured the effect myself, therefore I am taking their word for it
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:04 PM
Jun 2012

and that led to me using "supposedly".


It is possible that their observations are wrong.


Also, quantum theory has nothing to do with Relativity and "the two slits experiment" results are most probably an unknown product of the particle wave duality that we simply do not understand yet. Assuming that gravity is not a law based on that is irrational. The inverse square rule still applies.

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