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rug

(82,333 posts)
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 08:09 PM Oct 2016

I nominated Bob Dylan for the Nobel Prize. You’re welcome.

For 15 years, I recommended the poet and musician for the honor he finally won.



Bob Dylan aboard a train.

October 14 at 5:06 PM
By Gordon Ball
Gordon Ball is Visiting Associate Professor of English at Washington and Lee University, where he teaches about poetry, creative writing and the literature of the Beat Generation.

For decades I’ve admired the work of Bob Dylan, whom I first saw at the Newport Folk Festival in 1965, but it was in August of 1996 that I first wrote the Nobel Committee, nominating Dylan for its literature prize. The idea to do so originated not with me but with two Dylan aficionados in Norway, journalist Reidar Indrebø and attorney Gunnar Lunde, who had recently written Allen Ginsberg about a Nobel for Dylan. Ginsberg’s office then asked if I’d write a nominating letter. (Nominators must be professors of literature or linguistics, past laureates, presidents of national writers’ groups, or members of the Swedish Academy or similar groups.) Over the next few months, several other professors, including Stephen Scobie, Daniel Karlin, and Betsy Bowden, endorsed Dylan for the Nobel. I would go on to nominate Dylan for the next dozen years. This year, he finally won.

Examining prize criteria, I learned that Alfred Nobel’s 1895 will specified that in literature the work must be “the most outstanding…of an idealistic tendency,” and that “during the preceding year” the honoree must “have conferred the greatest benefit on mankind.” Could as much be said about Dylan’s lyrics? Can an icon of popular culture, a “song and dance man,” stand shoulder-to-shoulder with literary giants? Bobby Zimmerman alongside Jean-Paul Sartre, Albert Camus and Gunter Grass?

Idealism and benefiting humanity often, of course, move hand in hand, and Dylan’s idealistic, activist songs have indeed helped change our world. His 1963 Tom Paine Award (an earlier recipient, Bertrand Russell, was one of three philosophers — not counting Sartre — to win the Nobel in literature) came after “Blowin’ in the Wind,” “Oxford Town,” and other works, as well as his going South to help with voter registration drives. An attitude aired in his 1965 “It’s Alright, Ma (I’m Only Bleeding)”—“…even the President of the United States / sometimes must have / to stand naked” — may have helped revise our view of presidential authority, encouraging inquiry into what became Watergate.

For a generation raised in conformity, Dylan validated imagination and independence of thought; his work is emblematic of the creativity of the 1960s in the U.S., and has affected others across the globe. Asked in a Der Spiegel interview if growing up in Germany he had an “American dream,” German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer replied, “Not an American dream, but my very own dream of freedom. That was for me the music of Bob Dylan.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/10/14/i-nominated-bob-dylan-for-the-nobel-prize-youre-welcome/?utm_term=.209bc9d4ea0f

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malaise

(269,157 posts)
1. A close family friend's daughter named her son
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 08:13 PM
Oct 2016

Dylan because her dad adored him. He studied and lectured in the US in the 60s and 70s

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
3. I wonder if he'll say anything about the Prize.
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 08:26 PM
Oct 2016

I saw him about ten years ago and to my chagrin I didn't recognize "like a Rolling Stone" until he was halfway into it. It was still a good show bt it made me appreciate how well he sung on his early albums.

elias7

(4,026 posts)
4. He continually reworks arrangements of his tunes
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 09:32 PM
Oct 2016

And his enunciation live is a crapshoot, sometimes tough to discern unless you're familiar with the lyrics. Live, he's quite the rocker, and so wonderfully humble.

UTUSN

(70,740 posts)
5. R#7 & K for, ths o.p. (title/author) sounds totally credible to me. As Lit major I'm appalled. n/t
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 09:51 PM
Oct 2016

UTUSN

(70,740 posts)
7. Oh, you were actually *serious*?!1 Well, us failed Lit majors who dreamed of "greatness" and
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 10:09 PM
Oct 2016

Literary Critics who also never "made" it as actual literary practitioners find this bestowed glory to be stupendously a *fail*.

I mean, the fellow and his songs occupied a certain niche in my life - that was then & was sealed off to that time and place of my life. I've never read KIPLING but certain of his idioms and phrases are instantly shock-of-recognition (yeah, that's MELVILLE) to me, as are some of Bob D's lyrics.

Just saying, that a certain amount of MASSIVENESS, like with Homer, is connoted by Glory, not a few dozens of ditties.

Well, my brother, am not used to getting into "heavy" discussions with you!1

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
9. How is he less deserving than any other American poet of the last 50 years or so?
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 11:24 PM
Oct 2016

He's one of the few "pop" songwriters (Leonard Cohen is another) whose lyrics can stand as poetry on their own.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
8. I always wanted to regain my adjunct trial ad job
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 10:33 PM
Oct 2016

So I could nominate Bob Stinson. Because Bob Stinson is 10000% more rock and roll than that other Minn. corpse.

I dissent.

betsuni

(25,618 posts)
10. My father loved Dylan when I was a child, had all his albums.
Fri Oct 14, 2016, 11:28 PM
Oct 2016

They were both from the Midwest, physically looked very similar. Later on he stopped listening to Dylan's music and when I asked why was told he was a sell-out, had bought a mansion in California and used electric guitars, things like that. I was confused. First of all, Bob Dylan is a stage name, and I'm sure he set out to be famous and did anything he could to do it. Dylan's an entertainer, not some sort of Gandhi.

I don't really know the lyrics to Dylan's songs because I hate his voice so much that I run from the room screaming when I hear any of his music. His voice is fun to mimic, though.

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