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Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 01:44 PM Oct 2016

Trump Sounds Like He Is Stating a New "Stabbed in the back" Myth

Students of history might recognize the stabbed in the back argument after WWI. Right wingers in Germany, including the eventual nazi party, claimed that Germany would have won WWI but that the military was "stabbed in the back" by politicans and Jewish people back home. The myth goes that Germanys military was on their way to vicotry in 1917 and 1918 but nefarious elements within german society had undermined the effort and forced germany to surrender. This idea helped lead to the rise of facism in germany and revenge against people that were supposedly to blame for Germanys surrender in WWI.

Sounds to me that there are some parallels between the stabbed in the back myth and trumps claims that he would win the election if the media, the gop, and people committing election fraud (along with greedy international bankers ). He is riling up the right wing in this country, claiming that they are being stabbed in the back by these subversive elements in our society. Quite chilling when you realize where this type of rhetoric has lead a nation, in the past.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth

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Trump Sounds Like He Is Stating a New "Stabbed in the back" Myth (Original Post) Doctor Jack Oct 2016 OP
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2016 #1
THANKS MIRT uppityperson Oct 2016 #3
Damn..i missed it... Lochloosa Oct 2016 #5
Yes. It was missing in McCain and Romney's runs. Democrats_win Oct 2016 #2
Not so much that they have nothing to lose gratuitous Oct 2016 #6
He might try that, but Germany in the early 20th and the US in the early 21st are... TreasonousBastard Oct 2016 #4
Im not saying we are going to turn into a full on nazi germany... Doctor Jack Oct 2016 #7

Response to Doctor Jack (Original post)

Democrats_win

(6,539 posts)
2. Yes. It was missing in McCain and Romney's runs.
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 01:55 PM
Oct 2016

It is a very ugly tactic and then to think where it could lead. Not only Nazi Germany but the Rwanda style genocide took this sort of tactic. Is that what they really want? Do they literally have nothing to lose? Because, if this did take that turn, they would loose whatever they have. We're talking rape, mass killings, and don't even think about "your" property--it's gone.

The right wing in this country has been flirting with this ever since FDR "stabbed us in the back" at Yalta. Or the McCarthy hearings where people in the state department or defense department "stabbed us in the back." Oh yeah, Dear leader Trump is leading us in a very ugly direction. The GOP should know better.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. Not so much that they have nothing to lose
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 02:08 PM
Oct 2016

Trump figures that, like everything else in his life, he will be protected and insulated from the natural and normal consequences of his behavior. As for Trump's followers? Couldn't say, but I suspect it has something to do with their own perceived martyrdom (only without the dying part, or the victimized part, or the actual oppression part).

The GOP should know better, and liberals have been telling them just that for this entire decade. They still seem capable of dull surprise as the Trump train goes careening through the station, so maybe they don't know any better, the dumbasses?

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
4. He might try that, but Germany in the early 20th and the US in the early 21st are...
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 02:05 PM
Oct 2016

hardly comparable.

The Treaty of Versailles was as harsh as it gets, ruining Germany's economy and reputation in Europe and the world. The Depression also hit Germany harder than other European countries, partly thanks to Versailles.

And Stalin was a very real threat directed at Germany, with Hitler seeming to be the best bet to many to fight it off, particularly since the German Communist party was gaining ground. (Back then it was a very real fear worldwide that the capitalist system had totally failed.)

Trump can rant and rave all he wants, but he has no significant allies, and we're actually doing pretty good here. We'll always have some people not making it and malcontents making noise, but most Americans are doing OK.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
7. Im not saying we are going to turn into a full on nazi germany...
Mon Oct 17, 2016, 02:14 PM
Oct 2016

...because trump doesnt know how to lose with dignity. However, there are parallels between his argument and those in germany after wwi and some of his supporters might be in a similar frame of mind after the election

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