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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat does it take to impeach a Senator (if possible)?
Or bring a charge of conspiracy for treason?
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John McCain: Republicans will block anyone Clinton names to the Supreme Court
https://thinkprogress.org/john-mccain-republicans-will-block-anyone-clinton-names-to-the-supreme-court-35636acca966#.j3gx5ncjw
former9thward
(32,068 posts)The Senate and House have a right to expel members of their body. But not impeachment. That precedent was set in 1797 when the House impeached a Senator and the Senate refused to consider it.
That aside McCain is not guilty of treason. Treason is one of the few crimes defined in the Constitution. Article III, Section 3 defines treason as: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
McCain is not guilty of any of that.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)So, if a Senator doesn't do something which is within that Senator's lawful ability to do or not to do, then you think they should be charged with a capital offense?
That's not how our system works. If the people of Arizona want a Senator who will oppose the President's nominee, they can elect one. If they want a Senator who will not oppose the President's nominee, they can elect one.
It's called a democratic system of government. The people can elect any asshole for whom a majority of them vote.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)of photoshop.
You can censor a senator though. Also takes about 10 minutes.
HoustonDave
(60 posts)please, look up the words "impeach" and "censure". "Censor" has a whole different meaning, albeit perhaps appropriate for the OP.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,502 posts)Bucky
(54,041 posts)ha !!
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,502 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)hardluck
(640 posts)With charging everyone with treason. It's just weird on a progressive board.
tritsofme
(17,398 posts)onenote
(42,748 posts)get expressed here from time to time.
Bucky
(54,041 posts)THAT'S TREASON!!
hughee99
(16,113 posts)The thing that makes it so appealing is that 1) everyone agrees treason is a bad thing, and 2) although it's clearly defined, the "aid and comfort" part of it means it really isn't.
In most cases, those claiming treason seem to take a very wide view of what "aid and comfort" is, or even an very expansive view of what an "enemy" is.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Bucky
(54,041 posts)You'd be my personal hero if you 10 friends to each turn out 10 new voters
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)of not one that doesn't vote, and doesn't vote dem.
tritsofme
(17,398 posts)This post is embarrassing.
Peaches999
(118 posts)You cannot impeach a Senator, and a Senator is never going to be expelled for how he or she votes, nor should they be. Leave it to Trump to want to lock up his political opponents. We don't do that.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Being an asshole does not equate to treasonous behavior. Thank goodness, because I can be a real asshole from time to time.
Mr. McCain has every legal power to to block any court nominee he wishes. He also has every right to encourage others to do the same. This in no way is an imposition of war against the United States, nor does it align Mr. McCain or anyone who supports him with any enemy of the United States. Failing to acknowledge or appoint a justice to the Supreme Court also provides no aid or comfort to the enemies of the United States. It does however make Mr. McCain a giant doodie-head, as well as those who align themselves with him in this situation. I just gave the ole' U.S. Code and the Constituin a quick perusal with a text search and found no law against being an asshole, jerk, jack-wagon, ass, idiot, moron, f*ckface, or a giant bag of donkey dicks.
Seriously, treason is a very serious offense, and carries with it the death penalty. Just take a moment and think about what you are asking.
The Appointment Clause (italicized) from our Constitution clearly states that the President is the one who has the power to appoint justices, however there is the caveat that it is by and with the "Advice and Consent" of the Senate. It is well within the power of the Senate to deny an appointment. You cannot hang someone for exercising a legal power bestowed upon a Representative in our Constitution. It is there for a very good reason as it protects the separation of powers of the state. Now if someone wants to be a jerk about it, then fine, they can be. Mr. McCain will not be able to carry this one for long, and hopefully with hurt the Republicans come Election Day.
Retrograde
(10,152 posts)that re-electing him would not be in the best interests of the country.
Bucky
(54,041 posts)Some states allow for recall votes, but that seems pretty unlikely given how he's about to be reelected.
bagelsforbreakfast
(1,427 posts)Too many Chamberlains, not enough Robespierres -- "To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; to forgive them is cruelty." Maximilien Robespierre
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"Terror is only justice: prompt, severe and inflexible; it is then an emanation of virtue; it is less a distinct principle than a natural consequence of the general principle of democracy, applied to the most pressing wants of the country." Maximilien Robespierre
If the shoe were on the other foot Trump, his tribe and McCain would be breaking out the guillotine!
MineralMan
(146,325 posts)Perhaps they'll do that.