Note to ex military: when you left the military you did not leave your country. You took an oath

[Augiedog]

upon entry to whichever branch you chose. That oath, see link below, obligated you to certain behaviors. When you were discharged you were not relieved of your obligation to support and defend the constitution of the United States. No one swore you out and said " ok, go do whatever you want including undermining the country". You became an inactive extension of a tradition that has numerous organizations attached to your prior service.

Donald Trump is a clear and present danger to the constitution and the United States. Regardless of your political philosophy, orientation or wishes you must reject him based on your oath. You know this is true. TRumps own words demonstrate his danger and unsuitability for office. He has dismissed the constitution as a nuisance impinging on his ability to lie, to intimidate and to steal. He would have his political opponents shot, jailed or maybe just disappeared. After ,of course, the election has been declared terminated and he appointed president because, well, beacause. What other reasoning do you need. He has declared the military, to which you were dedicated, a disaster, its leaders incompetent, and that he knows more than all of them and that he is gonna teach them. He has dismissed a Gold Star family as un-American, while not even knowing what a Gold Star family is. He accepted a Purple Heart as if he had earned such.

You have a sworn duty to reject him, to continue to maintain your commitment to your nation. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and do what duty calls for and not what you think might be fun or funny. This election is different and you know it. You know where the danger is and he couldn't be more clear and present.




https://www.google.com/search?q=u.s.%20military%20oath%20of%20enlistment

[Upin]

1. He's a terrible person on so many levels...

... but that was hyperbolic in the extreme.

[pipoman]

3. Sounds like you are placing a higher standard on US veterans than on the candidates for president...

[Augiedog]

5. Perhaps. Do you take issue with that? I think it makes a certain kind of positive rational sense.

[pipoman]

11. Yes, actually I do.

It is like a boss who asks more of staff than the boss is willing to give....it never works

[upaloopa]

4. I was drafted for two years active, I was 4 years inactive reserves then discharged of my military

obligations. At that time I was no longer obligated to that oath I took since I am not in that capacity any longer.

The same thing when I was hired as a county employee. I took the same oath. I retired last May and I am no longer obligated to that oath since I am not in that capacity any longer

[pintobean]

6. My obligation to honor that oath ended at the time of discharge.

I choose to honor it until my last breath.

I've never been under any obligation to accept interpretations, or take orders, from an anonymous internet poster.

[sarisataka]

14. Well stated

Part of Defending and respecting the Constitution means acknowledging the First Amendment allows assholes to say assholish things.

[UTUSN]

7. The O.P. is all misinterpretation. Issue is not oath. Difference between Active Duty vs veterans.

This is a country based on the civilians being preeminent, with the military being held to be apolitical and above all subservient to civilian authority.

Everybody entering governmental roles take the oath as a signal of their official roles, but the freedoms of citizenship outside of government service devolve back on everybody, including all the diversity of political opinions.

Active duty military have the right to political opinions and to vote, but are supposed to be serving the whole country without regard to politics and are expected to keep partisanship to themselves, not only in public and wearing the uniform but also fairly much among themselves so as not to cause disunity in the troops.

Once active duty is ended, the member becomes a VETERAN, which means NOT active, which means CIVILIAN, with all the public and private rights to spout off and disagree. And here is where a travesty is common: Veterans who use their medals/ribbons/decorations and military caps and patches as political PROPS to endorse candidates, the way a dozen Medal of Honor recipients wore their medals while standing on George W. Shrub's television stage during Coup 2000 to endorse him. Same goes with outfits like the VFW: It's fine for them to host both or all candidates at their conventions, but individual VFW members should not wear the organization's caps and paraphernalia as INDIVIDUALS in partisan functions.

The o.p. is asking veterans to perform some kind of vigilante, para-military function, and in this case mobilizing against one political faction, under the assumption that EVERYBODY AGREES on this specific threat. To whom do these para-military Veterans report?!1

[CBGLuthier]

8. Bullshit. I don't worship our veterans but if anyone has the fucking right to vote their OWN

conscience it is the veterans. Telling them they have to vote like you are doing is a sickening insult to every one of them. You should be ashamed.

[Augiedog]

9. I didn't tell them who they had to vote for, just a reason(s) not to vote for tRump.

[CBGLuthier]

10. You said they were still under an oath and had to vote like you thought.

A no longer binding oath is not a reason for anyone to vote for anything. I still think what you wrote is insulting.

[pintobean]

12. I agree.

[NobodyHere]

13. That's just BS

"You have a sworn duty to reject him, to continue to maintain your commitment to your nation"

Yes, you told them who they had to vote for.

[sarisataka]

15. Extending your

"Logic" isn't thing also a call for a military coup should Trump be elected?

[1939]

17. Bingo

The oath to defend the Constitution should not be the authorization for a military coup if the military or some element of it feels that the elected officials are "violating" the Constitution.

[hack89]

16. This veteran vehemently disagrees

I am a lifetime Democrat who will vote for Hillary. Your interpretation of the oath I took is wrong. Don't you dare use my service as a partisan bludgeon.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

18. "Clear and present danger" is terminology used to justify military force.

[Throd]

19. Sorry. Everyone gets to make their own choice.