Delusions of Grandeur at JPR? You decide...

[MineralMan]

Here's a notice at the top of that site's pages:

Bots (Hill-bots?) have been occasionally attacking our site, and this might get worse as we near the election. Our DDoS protection seems effective when we use it; when we turn it on, when you surf to JPR you'll first get a Cloudflare page announcing you'll be delayed 5 seconds while it checks you out. We'll turn it on as needed.

Now, I suppose it's possible that someone might consider DDOSing that website, but how likely would that be, really? It's a very low-traffic website that few people actually know exists. DU, on the other hand, is far better known, but nobody's DDOSing DU.

What I think is that they haven't paid for enough bandwidth or the site is buggy. I can't imagine anyone bothering to attack such a website. Not for a minute.

[msanthrope]

1. What a bunch of suckers. nt

[shenmue]

2. I think so too

[Agnosticsherbet]

3. Reminds me of a song I heard once. Paranoia, the destroyer

[vanlassie]

92. Cool!

[pintobean]

4. Who cares?

But, I'm sure they appreciate the attention.

[MineralMan]

5. I don't know who cares, really.

I just found it interesting. Some others are also finding it interesting, apparently. It's just a post on DU. It's not required reading.

[JTFrog]

7. Obviously not you.

[beaglelover]

25. Obviously you do, KID. LOL!!!

[grantcart]

28. I would bet that they really really care

And spend enormous amounts of time tracking and commenting on threads just like this.

[Archae]

8. Ummm...you can call me Captain Clueless...

But what is "JPR" and what connection does it have to DU?

[cwydro]

11. Spin off site filled with sore losers from the primaries.

For some reason, many here are obsessed with it.

[sheshe2]

130. And many there are odsessed about DU.

They also hate Hill, love Jill and da Trump as well. Hell they called themselves progressives here and now want to vote for Jill and Donnie.

K.

[still_one]

12. They are group of DUers who have refused to vote for Hillary, and exiled themselves

to an offset board, whose major theme is Hillary hate, with some of the most disgusting, sexist slurs.

A number of them have actually expressed support for trump

[Archae]

14. What does "JPR" stand for?

As to the Hillary hatred, I'm not surprised.

I've seen die-hard Cruz "Christians," also.

[still_one]

15. jackpine radicals. Jackpine was a solid DUer and progressive, who passed away, and would

never have wanted his name to be associated with that hate site.

Just like Bernie, he would have been right behind Hillary in this election

Because of what happened during the primaries, the admins setup TOS rules, that apply not just during elections, but always. Since that has happened, our interactions with each other have been much more civil, and it is a much more nicer place.

[HassleCat]

42. I miss that guy!

[RKP5637]

55. It's such a disgraceful use of JPR. He was not that way at all. n/t

[still_one]

9. This election is a referendum on racism and sexism, not some paranoid fantasy they

seem to cling to.

The vast majority of Bernie supporters, liberals, and progressives know what the stakes are. Tim Robbins said it best:

"In a time of insanity, I’m voting for Hillary."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dear-fellow-bernie-supporters-im-voting-for-hillary-and-you-should-too_us_581b91a3e4b0e80b02c8977f

So to any JPR lurkers, pull your head out of your asses

[NCTraveler]

10. Extremely unhealthy level of paranoia.

It seem to be a trait they all share.

[emulatorloo]

16. Remember that they >always< craved ATTENTION

Hence the constant clickbait/flamebait/rec bait posted when they were here at DU

[FSogol]

24. Very true. Glad that they (& their ratfucking drama) are no longer polluting this forum.

[HassleCat]

13. Jefferson Public Radio?

If so, I know them well. They are in northern California and support forming a new state named Jefferson. They are a collection of preppers, pot farmers, retired hippies, etc.

[emulatorloo]

17. Nah spin off site from DU, "True Progressives" pumping up Trump and pushing Hillary Hate.

Posted lots of crap from Breitbart etc here at DU during primary. Never met a anti-Democratic CT they didn't like.

See post 14 for name of forum.

[ismnotwasm]

18. Well they did receive a "cease and desist" letter because they are assholes

Because of slander, apparently. They think the Clinton's did it somehow. No, I'm not kidding.

[irisblue]

32. cease & desist. letter, who from? nt

[ismnotwasm]

33. Oh man I don't want to go back there, hang on

Here--I didn't want to link over there but whateve. It doesn't say


https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/jpr-served-with-order-to-cease-and-desist/

[irisblue]

35. thank you. I feel bad recognizing some of the names.

I joined for a hot minute, but wow.

[Saboburns]

58. Quite a Diva that one

I dunno, seems so many that left here to go there REALLY needed, craved, popularity.

[Warren DeMontague]

72. Oh, Jesus. Now they're on about the "CFEE"?

OFFS.

[Scurrilous]

49. Mom and Dad.

[Gothmog]

19. The JPR site is for conspiracy nutcases

They are ready to believe any conspiracy theory no matter how stupid that conspiracy theory is. This is the latest example of the stupidity and arrogance of the idiots on that site

[tenderfoot]

20. Right wing lunatics that post unfunny cartoons from townhall and worldnetdaily

Lot of ex-DU annoying trolls there too like WillyT.

[Rex]

21. Yes they are lost in the sea of RT cool aid.

Sad to see that site, even worse than DI and their band of cave dwellers. What can you expect from people that would rather vote Trump than HRC? Just because BS lost, I loved the guy! Wish he was the POTUS, but it didn't happen. HRC will be the next POTUS.

[Egnever]

22. Poor Manny.

It's tough when your mic is taken away. Funny how quickly the mask came off though.

He got away with his nonsense here for years. So sorry to see he is having such a tough time over there.

[ismnotwasm]

23. Looks like he's having fun

He had to tell his flock to tone it down a bit because of the cease and desist. Reason 3?

3. It makes us look like fools. Think back to the reporting on Rove’s imminent indictment. Any second now, it’s in the bag. Yep.

He apparently doesn't realize, or more likely, doesn't care that he should have said "bigger fools than we already are"

I'm not linking.

[Egnever]

26. Hah yea good times for all

[GP6971]

51. Who started JPR?

It wasn't Manny was it?

[SidDithers]

101. I once won a bet with Manny, and he had to donate $50 to Ready for Hillary...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024479945#post36

I doubt he ever did, tho.



Sid

[JHan]

27. I wish I could come up with a more constructive comment than this:

..they sound like whiny losers

[aikoaiko]

34. Given the time and effort DUers spending monitoring and reporting on them - very likely.

Very likely indeed.

[NanceGreggs]

38. Actually, DUers spend very little time ...

... commenting on JPR.

And yet every time they're mentioned, someone comes along to comment that DUers are obsessed with the site, or expend undue "time and effort" monitoring them.

DUers have always commented on RW sites - and that's what JPR is. It's no different than commenting on FreeRepublic, or other sites of its ilk. Why should JPR be treated any differently than Freeperville?

Besides, outside of their own little bubble, it's the only attention they get. They still haven't figured out that a lot of the "views" they get are people who go there for the sole purpose of laughing at the sheer idiocy that gets posted there.

JPR is also the go-to site for RW talking points - and is much easier to navigate than FR or many other RW sites. So if one is looking for what the right-wingnuts are spewing on any given day, JPR is a convenient one-stop-shopping source.

[aikoaiko]

45. Well, I'm glad you monitor how much time DUers monitor JPR.

I suppose it is hard to know unless you're really monitoring it.

I defer to you.

[NanceGreggs]

52. Well, a few things ...

Do you think that reading a website site equals "monitoring" it?

If that's the case, then the vast majority of DUers are collectively "monitoring" tens of thousands of sites every day - from political sites, to news sites, to sports sites, to movie sites, to cooking sites, to decorating sites, to DIY home improvement sites, etc.

Who knew that when I read one of my favourite knitting sites, I am actually "monitoring" it! News to me - and news to everyone who reads more than one website on a regular basis.

Secondly, I never said anything about "how much time" DUers - or anyone else - spend on JPR. So where you got that notion is anyone's guess.

In fact, what I DID say is that JPR doesn't get nearly as much attention as the usual RW sites get - which I think is unfortunate. I believe it would be enlightening, to say the least, for those who actually ARE progressives to see the RW bullshit JPR posters are spewing while posing as True Progressives (TM).

You can always do a DU "search" for mentions of JPR as compared to mentions of FreeRepublic and the like. You'll find that JPR gets very little attention by comparison - which again I think is unfortunate, considering that both FR and JPR post exactly the same crap, and usually at exactly the same time and using exactly the same terms.

JPR deserves to be recognized as exactly what it is: a RW site that praises FOX-News, RW authors/bloggers, and cites RW sources of misinformation as truthful and above reproach.

JPR is what it is. Denying it doesn't change the fact that it's just another RW site posing as something it's not.

[snooper2]

86. We have software and scripts used to check, really simple actually- Like searching 600,000 emails

Not like we have to read EVERY FUCKING THREAD and post LOL


This new thing called database analytics is so cool!

[sheshe2]

118. Why are YOU monitoring DU?

Well, I'm glad you monitor how much time DUers monitor JPR.

I suppose it is hard to know unless you're really monitoring it.

I defer to you.

Oh my. Said from a JPRer monitoring DU.

[aikoaiko]

134. Who is a JPRer?

Are you saying I post there? If so then you should talk to your friends who do lurk over there and they will tell you that I don't.

[MADem]

54. A hate site aggregator, if you will! nt

[melman]

76. Says you

Some here are very obviously consumed with that site and what gets posted there. Anyone can see that.

[NanceGreggs]

104. Do a DU search ...

... and see for yourself. You'll find that most of the references to JPR are in posts by people saying they were leaving DU and moving to JPR.

I know they want to think that people are "consumed" with their pitiable nonsense. But the truth is that the real appeal of reading JPR is of the point-and-laugh variety. The CTs they come up with are wildly entertaining, along with the "serious discussions" about how FOX-News is the only trustworthy source of information.

True Progressives (TM) turned into RWers - fun to watch in real time. I just wonder what busy-work they'll assign to everyone after they run out of Wikileaks emails to comb through looking for "smoking guns" that never existed.

[Scurrilous]

40. I'll spend some time there Tuesday night.

[joshcryer]

46. Indeed, that'll be the only time one visits that cesspool.

[closeupready]

90. Yep. Just like the Sunday morning shows. I think some here enjoy misery.

Or relish the drama involved in complaining and so forth.

[LiberalLovinLug]

36. I have sympathy for a lot of them

Many joined on impulse, as I did, as a reprieve from what I felt was a premature clamping down on speech freedoms in here. The rule that we were not allowed to vocalize any criticisms of the front runner BEFORE THE DNC convention had even declared an official winner was IMO a stupid decision and unnecessarily provocative. I was fully prepared to back whomever the Democratic party finally nominated, but Bernie made it clear that he was taking his campaign right into the convention, and as such, we should have been allowed to discuss the differences in the candidates until that time. To pull the rug out a month before this only stoked the anger already inflamed by the wikileaks about what was only suspected at the time, of DWS and the DNC's shameless behind the scenes work to step on the scales for their preferred candidate.

Add to that, right after this new edict came down in here, a handful of bullies in here piled on on any remaining Bernie supporters bolstered by these new restrictive rules to alert on any post that dared to talk about Bernie being preferable to Hillary.

For many, the straw on the camels back broke and they, like myself was glad to find a home where we could actually discuss issues again, could actually debate why we thought Bernie would be the best choice... again this was during a time before our nominee was officially announced.

That all said, whew, as soon as Bernie conceded and endorsed Hillary, I jumped on the H train. Because simply put the alternative is fascism. And I think there are many many ex-JPRs like myself that now are back here and have put aside our legitimate beefs with how the primaries were run, and the smear campaigns against our candidate, to embrace Hillary and move forward, especially after she worked alongside Bernie to craft her policy paper.

The ones that are left there are either ex-prominent members of DU like Manny. (I loved his Third Way Manny posts in here because it exposed a lot of hypocrisy not from him but from the reactionary responses)
who have made their beds there and will I guess die on that hill. But it is also it seems being overtaken by a lot of Trump trolls. I cannot now support a site whose general direction is that not voting Democratic, or voting for the Green party, even if it causes Armageddon, is preferable to allowing another Clinton in the Whitehouse. They are under the delusion that the American public, upon seeing how awful it is under a Trump fascist authoritarian regime, will realize their mistake and go the complete opposite in 2020 and vote in Bernie or someone like him to usher in a new era of socialist paradise. Sorry, based on history, even if that ever happens, it will be a long destructive era of burning down the house first. And that type of facism would give courage to even greater bigotry. In the end the nation may one day recover and drag itself out of that muck, but it will be irreversibly damaged in a lot of ways.

This election is about preventing a Mussolini type personality and his brown shirts from a takeover of the country. I'm pretty sure I'm willing to overlook any instance of careless email usage for that. Or more precisely elect a candidate that has uncomfortable ties to Wall Street and seems to have an appetite for solving issues militarily. Bernie would have been a greater force for progressive ideas but I'd at least rather have a candidate that does not change things for the worse, and who knows, may just surprise me and other Bernie supporters and push for a few progressive policies.

So I'm with her.

[joshcryer]

47. TWMs posts were always a caricature of a mostly non existent entity.

Often filled with inaccuracies or outright falsehoods. People ate them up because it made them feel superior.

[MADem]

57. Some people thought it was easier to pound people down than raise them up.

Most of those types have left.

There's a real difference between constructive, supportive criticism and the kind of shit that some of the departed haters were flinging.

[joshcryer]

65. Sadly, I have to admit I got pulled in by the toxicity.

I haven't posted as much lately (but I certainly read DU religiously, still), and it kind of makes me feel bad knowing that before I posted only to respond to, or add to the toxicity these people thrived off of. Lately I simply have no reason to respond to anyone because I'm just enjoying the threads and posts and just relaxing and liking my experience here. Before, I'd jump into a 300+ post thread and drop my own 50+ replies to argue with the nastiest people I know of. Worse than Reddit, worse than any other site, before the primaries were over. It was such a chore and so draining on myself.

I can admit, I have problems with depression, and JPR, just the mere mention of that site, makes my heart drop and causes me to just feel like utter shit. Going there just amplifies that (there was a post I saw when this thread linked them that wished that Hillary Clinton, the "bitch" had a stroke; can you fucking imagine that shit even being allowed to be said here? Incredible).

Fuck that site and all it stands for and all the toxic individuals that used to post here who now have surrounded themselves with far more toxic individuals. I literally do not try to think about them on a daily basis, because of how much they filled this site with garbage for years. It's cathartic that they managed to create their own abode of hate filled sycophancy and that it no longer festers here. I actually don't even care about the few people here who post negative polls or concern troll, because of how irrelevant they are on the scheme of things.

We've got DU back. And for that, I am glad.

The celebration on Tuesday will be a truly fulfilling experience, one which I have not had for a good 5 years here.

[MADem]

68. I missed the feeling of community and I, too, am glad we have it back.

This is OUR place, after all--our little clubhouse for people who support our party and want to make it better, bigger, stronger.

When they go low we gotta keep going high!

I can't wait to see our first woman POTUS. It's so far past time! A role model for all the young people coming up--that nothing is impossible for anyone.

[SidDithers]

102. +1...

Well said.



Sid

[JTFrog]

137. Mic drop...

[NanceGreggs]

62. I have NO sympathy for any of them.

When they were still posting here, they posted nothing but RW bullshit while declaring themselves True Progressives (TM).

They chose to disparage Democrats at every opportunity, and have now shown themselves to have been RWers all along, or those easily manipulated into swallowing and regurgitating RW bullshit without hesitation.

This election passed the "I'm with HER" phase a long time ago. It became "I'm with the Democrats, I'm with the Party that believes in a better America for ALL, I'm with those who will fight against a racist idiot who knows nothing about leading a nation ever coming close to being president." THAT is what this election is really about.

The people at JPR chose to disparage, demean, belittle, and besmirch everyone who didn't endorse their candidate-of-choice. They have sided with Republicans, who take positions that are the exact opposite of their alleged "principles". They have exposed themselves as who they truly are - and many of them have been all along.

It has been an absolute joy to post here since they left - voluntarily, or by virtue of being kicked to the curb. RWers should stick to their own sites. We Democrats have no use for them.

[lovemydog]

74. +1

[Cha]

78. Thank you, Nance.

[betsuni]

79. I have no sympathy either.

And I refuse to acknowledge anyone who posts here who has posted or is posting on JPR.

[still_one]

83. Thanks Nance. If it was just about disagreements on the issues, there wouldn't have been a problem,

It was the open hatred against Hillary and President Obama in the most vile and despicable terms

The racial and sexist epithets used, exposed them for what they really were

No, I don't have any sympathy for them

[BainsBane]

98. On a positive note

DU is infinitely better without them.

[NanceGreggs]

100. It REALLY is!

I'm spending a lot more time here since they're gone.

I am particularly heartened to see this from Skinner today:

"My greatest regret is that over the last eight years, I allowed Democratic Underground to become a haven for people who treated Barack Obama and their fellow DU members with contempt. I don't intend to make that mistake again."

I left DU in 2009 and stayed way for several years. If Skinner sticks to "not making that same mistake again", I will start donating regularly to the site, as I used to before 2008.

Who knows? If DU returns to being what it once was, a site FOR Democrats, some of the old-timers who left because of the Obama/Dem bashing might find there way back here as well.

[Squinch]

103. I find a few positive things about JPR: first, their conspiracy theories are hilarious. Come on,

they just are.

Second, as you say, most of the names that I always found completely freaking obnoxious on every subject are over there now and not here. It's so much more enjoyable not to have to wade through them.

And finally, it was great to feel the vindication as we watched the masks come off and the monsters beneath them turned out to be exactly the hypocrites we always thought they were.

[BainsBane]

106. They really did

Turn out to be exactly what we thought.

[NanceGreggs]

108. I've found over the past few months ...

... that you have to understand the JPR "code" in order to fully appreciate the site:

"HRC is desperate!" = Hill's numbers just went up in the polls.

"Her campaign is falling apart!" = Hill's numbers just went WAY up in the polls.

"Everyone hates her!" = Hill just got another major endorsement.

"She lies about everything!" = We can't come up with a specific "lie" she's told about anything.

"HRC stole the primary!" = Bernie lost, and we still can't get over it.

"She has Parkinson's/dementia/epilepsy/Alzheimer's/a brain tumour" = Hill just appeared at a rally looking healthy as a horse.

"It's time for the Dems to admit HRC can't win, and replace her with Bernie!" = Hillary is winning.

"THIS Wikileaks email will destroy HRC!" = There's nothing there, despite Julian's promises that there would be.

"They CAN'T ignore this explosive information about HRC!" = Some basement dweller with a blog just pulled some ludicrous story out of his ass.

"Reliable sources are saying ..." = Alex Jones just spoke.

"He/she was always a corporate sell-out!" = A long-revered icon (e.g. Warren, Franken, Maddow, etc.) just said something positive about HRC.

"Bernie's life has been threatened!" = Bernie is campaigning for Hillary somewhere.

[Squinch]

109. LOL! These are awesome. One more:

Either the DNC or Democratic Underground or the CIA is trying to hack us because we are sooooo important! = "we set up the site on the cheap, and it's wonky as hell!"

[NanceGreggs]

123. ...

[betsuni]

125. +1

[NanceGreggs]

39. The delusions of grandeur ...

... go hand-in-hand with the overall paranoia and sense of being persecuted.

According to Alexa, there are 34,961 websites that get MORE US traffic than JPR does. And yet they believe they're being singled-out and targeted by the nefarious powers-that-be. At this point, I doubt there are more than 200 active posters there.

And yet ....... they believe. But what can you expect from people who also believe that HRC is dying of at least a dozen fatal diseases, wears a full body-brace to hide her physical afflictions, uses a body-double when she's too sick to make appearances, and - according to the latest CT-de-jour, is part of a sex trafficking ring involving kidnapped children.

Of course, some there have already commented that DU is not being targeted because Skinner et al are part of the vast conspiracy determined to install a dying woman, who has her political adversaries murdered on a regular basis, in the WH.

JPR IS a great source of RW talking points, though - and is much easier to navigate then FR. So for anyone wanting to keep abreast of what the right-wingnuts are spewing, you can always find links to FOX-News, Breitbart, HaHa Goodman etc., with full discussions about how honest and accurate their reporting is.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

44. They seem more prone to believing conspiracies there.

That was my impression after finally seeing that site, after people here mentioned it a few times.

[betsuni]

50. I'll be over at JPR to watch the fireworks display after Clinton wins the election.

I'm wondering, if anyone who doesn't despise Hillary (of course over there it's She/Her/Herself -- suffice to say, her name is one of the words the Knights of JPR cannot hear) is a paid Brock troll, how will they account for the fact that we at DU will still be here after the election? Looking forward to the new CT. Maybe a Satanic spell.

[Buzz Clik]

56. Good lord.

Yes, delusions of grandeur, and living under the mistaken impression anyone actually cares what happens there.

(Well, there is a website in a parallel universe that will miss JPR when it's gone. But, they'll still have us to entertain them.)

[mountain grammy]

88. Seriously, isn't there enough hatred to go around..

JPR was a fun site during the primaries. Many good DUers, myself included, had a place to vent our dissatisfaction with the party and primary. I read hundreds of good posts, learned a lot, and, please, let's not forget how well Bernie did in the primaries. There's something to be said for that.

When Hillary won the nomination, most of us left JPR.. this race is just too important and no one knows that more than Bernie Sanders. If the site is still active, fine. I have no problem with the Jackpine Radicals. The Democratic Party needs some noise from the left, from the unions, from the people. I can't imagine any Democrat disagreeing with that. If they go a bit too far once in a while, well, the same was said of every movement that actually brought about change in this country.

We have real enemies out there. JPR isn't one of them.

[MADem]

97. DU is going back to the old school ways, and that

hate site that despises Democrats like Hillary and Barack isn't compatible with DU at all. I think this is a great post that explains it all:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1013&pid=7542

In case it hasn't been completely obvious to everyone here, I would like to make clear that since the extremely divisive Democratic Primary ended in June, the DU Administrators have been committed to making sure that Democratic Underground is a friendly community where politically liberal people can support Democrats. That commitment will continue after the election season is over. My greatest regret is that over the last eight years I allowed Democratic Underground to become a haven for people who treated Barack Obama and their fellow DU members with contempt. I don't intend to make that mistake again.

The price of admission to DU after this election is your vote for Hillary Clinton (or your support for her if you are not eligible to vote in the United States). If you are able to vote, but you can't bring yourself to vote for Hillary, then I'm not particularly interested in listening to your bullshit for the next four-to-eight years. I don't care if you live in the bluest of blue states or the reddest of red states, if you are looking for excuses to vote for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson or god forbid Donald Fucking Trump, then this isn't the place for you. Fortunately for you, there are plenty of other places on the Internet where you can get your Hillary-hate on, and some of them are even filled with former DU members.

It's quite obvious that the site in question would rather see Trump elected than Hillary Clinton, so, to hell with them all. They can stew in their own fetid juices. We don't need their hatred or their contempt. That "mean girls" shit is so last century....

[mountain grammy]

99. I don't have a problem with this

but would still prefer my party to be less corporate. I vote for my Democratic Senator, but he voted for the Keystone XL and to override the president's veto on the 9/11 legislation. I'm sure it's still ok to be critical, and I plan to be. I remember when a revered, and rather famous member of this site referred to President Obama as a "used car salesman." Do we hate him? I completely disagreed with that post, but I've been critical of Obama and probably will be of Hillary. If honest criticism isn't allowed here, why do we even exist?

Enough hate already.

[MADem]

107. Revered? I think you mistake the type of "regard" some have for that comment.

It was "piece of shit used car salesman" to be accurate, and I sure as hell didn't appreciate the remark. I thought it was deplorable.

FWIW, you don't see him round here much anymore. Just as well.

Constructive criticism is one thing, but if you think calling our first POTUS of color a "piece of shit used car salesman" is criticism, then you have a different perspective regarding what is "criticism" and what is nasty, petulant vitriol.

[mountain grammy]

112. I also thought it was an awful post..

and should have been censored, I don't remember that it was and, no, I didn't see that as simple "criticism" and I do understand what vitriol is, thank you.
I did see posts censored that were simply criticism and had a problem with that. I really am against strict purity standards for posting. We have to have leeway here or this sight will lose an important function. I rarely vote to censor anything (although I would have voted to censor the used car salesman one) and have only alerted once when it was a personal attack on a member.

I've seen several DUers here that were on JPR. They, like me, are good Democrats who sought a more pro Sanders site. I don't know if they still post there and I don't care. I value them and their input. I gave up on the site because it wasn't for me. Once Hillary got our nomination, I was all in, and I had never left DU anyway. I just learn way too much here, which is one reason I'd rather not see increased censorship.

[MADem]

122. The TOS is the TOS. I call them the "Club rules."

You might regard them as censorship. I don't. They're guidelines that keep people who wish Democrats ill away. They can go to Discussionist if they like that free-wheeling, insulting combat with alt-right types with a real animus towards minorities who are disguised as "progressives" or "Greens" or "Libertarians."

I'm not interested in coming to a site that bashes, trashes and disrespects Democrats. I've been a Democrat for a long time and I like the party. There's a huge difference between polite discussion of policy differences and calling someone a "corporate whore" or a "bankster pig" or some of the nasty shit I've seen flung at Dems who are more good than not. It really irritated me to see Obama and others attacked in that way, and I'm glad I don't have to put up with that kind of crap anymore. It's a welcome relief to me. I'm so happy the admins have tightened the rules.

[betsuni]

124. And that OP telling Clinton to "kindly go f**k yourself with a brick" is still here.

But constructive criticism, censorship, blah blah blah I'm the REAL victim, etc.

[MADem]

126. On the bright side, the 'brick' poster has not shown his face here since June.

It looks like he "self-deported" in RMoney fashion!!!

I suppose we could alert and ask the admins to take that down, but then again, it serves as a cautionary tale as to how ugly it can get up in here if we don't strive to maintain standards.

[betsuni]

129. It should stay as a cautionary tale, I agree.

Even in a small group, it only takes one or two bad apples to ruin it for everyone if there are no standards, this is common sense. But today I have learned that reading JPR is "monitoring" it and that moderation of a website is "censorship."

[MADem]

132. LOL--it's funny, isn't it?

There's a misunderstanding that not allowing people to shit all over our little club for Democrats is "censorship" that interferes with "freedom of speech."

In actual fact they've got all the speech freedom they want or need, they just can't pull that shit here.

Speaking of shit, (LOL) it's like complaining that, even though there are plenty of delightfully clean restroom facilities in the fast food joint, your "freedom to shit" is somehow impaired if you're not allowed to shit next to the condiment bar where the napkins and straws are put out! Nnnnn nnnnn nnnnhhhh! You go do THAT shit over THERE!!!!!

[cwydro]

146. I was never a fan of his.

I think he's his own biggest fan.

[Squinch]

110. "Revered"

In other news, you might want to look at what JPR has become. It's Alex Jones on steroids. There's very little "left" there.

[mountain grammy]

113. I haven't been there in a while..

I'm with Bernie Sanders, and he's with Hillary, good enough for me, in fact, way better than good. She'll be a fine president, of that I'm sure.
I'm sorry to hear that about JPR. I'm almost too nervous to look at anything outside of here. I only used "revered" because it seemed that way from the fawning comments on his posts. i think he's a good writer, always have.

[BainsBane]

114. You decide who your own enemies are

I will decide mine. Anyone who works so tirelessly for the subjugation of people of color and women are my enemies. Just because they claim the mantle of progressivism doesn't mean I buy their shit. Like Trump, they are desperate to return America to a time when the majority were excluded from political participation and economic opportunity, and they hate the Democratic party for representing that majority. In my view, they are infinitely worse than the run of the mill Trump supporter because they are so pernicious in their dishonesty.

They are there tonight talking about their goal of bringing down the Democratic Party. Democrats are their enemy. It's unfortunate that you find a comment about claims of denial of service more "hateful" than that site's profane misogyny and declared enmity against Democratic voters. That site has on it a number of people who bullied and harassed Democrats for daring to support a party they have always hated. Some have NEVER voted Democrat while others voted libertarian and Republican in recent elections. DU is much better off without their bile.

[mountain grammy]

115. why do you go there if it's so bad?

Just to report how hateful and awful it is? What denial of service comment are you even talking about?
Again, why do you even go there?
So much anger... ouch.

[BainsBane]

117. The OP is about claims of a denial of service attack.

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That is what you condemned as hatred. How can you respond to an OP, let alone lecture its author, when you don't know what it says?

Perhaps you should go to JPR again yourself to see what they say before stepping in to support people cheering on the destruction of the Democratic Party? I check in there about once a month for 5 minutes. The rest is an all too vivid memory of how they behaved on this site. You seem to think scolding us about where we are allowed to go on the web justifies your eagerness to defend them, which you jumped in to do despite not understanding the OP.

Most of what my post referred to is what they did on this site. I have a right to be angry about being insulted and harassed continually. The salient question is why I came to DU during their reign of terror. I was absent for months at a time, checking back in out of hope it would change. Thankfully it finally has.

[mountain grammy]

119. Not lecturing anyone.

Denial of service? honestly, I didn't take the quote that seriously.

Reign of terror? Oh my.

Like I said, it became too negative for me so I chose not to read it.

[BainsBane]

120. You haven't read the OP

And you most certainly have repeatedly lectured people, including accusing the OP of hatred for discussing claims about website functionality. There really is no point trying to discuss something with someone who takes refusal to read what they are talking about as a badge of pride.

[mountain grammy]

121. You are so right about that. Here's looking at you.

[betsuni]

127. +1

[JTFrog]

138. You think pro-Trump pro-Putin dipshits are somehow making noise from the left?

They were never part of "the left". They trolled DU for years spreading their racism, misogyny and outright hostility toward Democrats and their supporters. I'm so happy they stopped pretending and went away. Good fucking riddance to that trash. They are lucky there are enough educated and sane people left in this country to save them from themselves. But I will celebrate extra hard knowing they will all be sucking lemons tonight.

[Ilsa]

89. Why would anyone bother with that miserable scum site? NT

[Orsino]

91. Cloudflare, properly implemented, is good protection.

But every known web site gets hacking attempts. Are they confusing that with DDoS? Not the same thing at all.

[NBachers]

105. It's a bleak and useless Backwater.

[ecstatic]

111. Lol! nt

[mountain grammy]

116. Amazing thing I learned in this thread.

DUers who hate everything and everyone that has anything to do with JPR seem to read it regularly. I left the sight after the nomination because it became too negative for me. I'm supporting our candidate.

My question is to everyone here, why do you keep checking in to JPR? Kind of silly, don't you think, considering all the venom spilling out here over it? Like I asked before, isn't there enough hatred in this campaign. Do yourselves a favor and ignore it.

[still_one]

133. The "hate" you refer to did not happen in a vacuum. During the primaries those who

who supported Hillary at DU were regularly harassed and bullied by large numbers of those who are now part of that other forum. I am not going to go into depth during that period, but it left a lasting impression.

You noted that "it became too negative for you over there". Negative doesn't even describe the sexist and racial slurs that were hurled at Hillary, and anyone who supported Hillary at DU. It extended to President Obama, and other Democrats also.

You ask, "why do some continue to check over there?" Because of what they did to make DU a nightmare and a miserable place for a lot of people here, and that isn't soon forgotten

I am very grateful to the administrators for the standards they have setup to try and prevent such abuses

[DFW]

144. I left DU for about 6 months because of them

They really made DU an unpleasant site to go to unless you had an obsessive hate for Hillary Clinton.

[still_one]

145. You simplified it in very simple terms. Thanks