No offense but...

[sheshe2]

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This is fact. How many of us will die to survive a trump presidency. More trails of tears.

[Jim__]

1. We survived reagan, but the middle class may not.

We survived bush jr but the jackass set the middle east on fire, and 8 years after he left office, it's still burning.

And reagan and bush look like statesmen next to trump.

[katmondoo]

2. That scared sick to the stomach feeling just returned

I thought it was over but I think of Medicare, Social Security that I need to survive, that may end and I am sick again.

[shenmue]

7. We have to fight

[Bucky]

4. I survived Dubya, but two of my students sent off to Iraq did not.

[Baitball Blogger]

3. So true.

[NBachers]

5. Project out four years - or eight years - into the future. How tall will the pile of dead bodies be?

[sheshe2]

8. I can't even imagine.

I can't wrap my head around that, NBachers. I am trying to stay positive, I have sunk back into despair.

I was already in a precarious position, unemployed for 7 months. Employers don't want to hire old people. I am applying for early retirement, it is all I have left, now it may be gone. I have just over 10 months to go for Medicare, now?

With Obama and Hill, all I wanted was to leave the children in a better place.

[mountain grammy]

6. We survived W Bush

except for the 3000 who died on 9/11, all who died in the resulting wars, and the nearly 2000 who died in a predicted storm.

Yes, not everyone "survives" a bad president.

[classof56]

32. Well said and absolutely true.

I'm a purveyor of gloom and doom, since I see absolutely zero zilch nada silver lining in this dark cloud that has descended upon our nation.

[world wide wally]

40. Don't blame the cloud.

Americans invited it

[ismnotwasm]

9. K&R

[Sunny05]

10. Amen

A lot is at stake here. People have been physically assaulted during the campaign and since the election -- because of the political atmosphere and words of one candidate.

Also, although I know I don't need to give myself a heart attack over this, that I need to find a way to get through it for my own sake, no, I am not accepting at the level of "oh, well" -- I agree wholeheartedly with sheshe2.

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The "oh well" reminds me of complacency that Progressives/Liberals/Democrats -- whatever "label" I am supposed to use -- so kindly blend right into. It reminds me of a post I read on a different forum. That post was part of a thread questioning whether the election was affected by voter suppression or even some form of vote tampering (i.e., "vote" hacking or other tampering that would change the vote counts per candidate). The person posting stated that she really didn't want to know because we had so much unrest already, that we should just continue with what we have.

Well, that's dangerous. Here's the deal. For the sake of argument ('cause I know this won't really happen), even if ...

even if we had a way of examining the election and how much voter suppression and vote tampering occurred, and ...

even if we learned that trump did not really win, and ...

whether or not we changed the "declared" outcome (and I have no idea whether or how that would even work) of trump becoming president ...

We STILL NEED to KNOW! We need to know so we can prevent this in the future! We KNOW voter suppression happened on a large scale this year in AA and Hispanic and Latino areas. We know it has happened in the past. We KNOW that gerrymandering has helped the repubs take the House. We KNOW this.

So people, we have GOT to stop accepting and "getting through" when we don't HAVE to. If anyone knows of efforts to address this, please let me know. (I've heard Obama's post-Presidency "mission" may have to do with Gerry-mandering or other voter suppression. God, I hope so.)

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And to bring this full circle: Sheshe2 is correct about the present and direct dangers to people of color and LGBTQ and women and even simply political opponents of trump. This is not something that some people will be able to "get through". This "pres-elect" is dangerous. His wildest, most wound-up followers are dangerous.

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Thank you. I love you all. I hope this didn't sound too preachy. I don't know what I would have done without DU and some of my progressive friends here in my very red state/county/everything to help me keep my sanity. Take care.

[sheshe2]

11. Amazing post, Sunny.

Thank you.

I waiver between my good and bad times. We all do, we are scared. However I will not go down without a fight.

[Sunny05]

20. Thank you. Yours sure was, too. And agree -- scared but with much fight. / nt

[Tikki]

13. And as he and they screw up, and they will, we have to get in repug voter's faces and tell them....

how their choice is screwing things up, what they've done wrong and how the consequences will be felt.

And none of this..."Let's move on" crap from them. We owe the The Hillary voters...all of them
the attention they deserve.

Call your Senator and Congresspersons and ask them what we can do to help the people who are going to be disfranchised by
this coming administration.

And when trump gets convicted, fined and/or jailed...ask them if they are going to pat him on the back or visit him in jail?

Tikki

[Sunny05]

21. Absolutely on your sentiment AND your advice. / nt

[uponit7771]

12. Amen

[Spitfire of ATJ]

14. It's very easy to live under fascism if you aren't one of the targeted groups.

[Mosby]

15. You know who didn't show up?

People of Color and young people.

take a look at this:





This is why Dems are going to keep losing, it's really this simple.

Voter apathy is the biggest issue of our time.

[sheshe2]

17. I sure would love to see a link to that.

Links are required here. Please post one.

[Mosby]

24. The data comes from the US government.

So here:

http://www.electproject.org/home/voter-turnout/demographics

Seriously, did you not know that half of America doesn't vote in presidential elections? In the midterms the rate drops to 25%

90 million Americans could not be bothered to vote in this election especially Hispanics.

[sheshe2]

25. Hey Mosby....

Read posted commented on that elsewhere days ago.

You post here you post a link. RULES!@ DU. FOLLOW THEM! Thanks so much for your snark.

[Mosby]

30. Sorry the truth bothers you

Maybe you should put me on ignore, because I have a long memory and I have been on this site for way longer that you (2003).

We will never be friends until you apologize.

[sheshe2]

34. What am I am apologizing for?

Hmmm?

Mosby

30. Sorry the truth bothers you

View profile


Maybe you should put me on ignore, because I have a long memory and I have been on this site for way longer that you (2003).

We will never be friends until you apologize.

What am I suppose to apologize for? Seriously? WTF? FYI, so glad you have a looooong memory. Koudos , you have been here longer than me. That is so cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is what you told me. You have a long memory. I should put you on ignore. You have been here longer than me. Snort. Thanks for the laugh.

I don't do ignore. I looooove to read what people spew. It amuses me.

OMFG. You threatened me! We will never be friends. I am hurt beyond repair. I will never survive.

[Mosby]

35. You and your friends

Banned me from the HRC group because I dared to suggest that people could avoid hides by being civil.

Granted I said it in a somewhat inelegant way.

I think I said:

It's easy to not get your posts hidden:

Don't be an asshole.

Remember now?

Your group members would get a hide for a personal attack and then go to the HRC group and brag about it, like it was some sort of badge of honor. I think that kind of stuff makes DU suck.

[sheshe2]

38. Poor babe...

Again post a link to where we celebrated your ban. Hey Mosby, A group blocks people. You can't post in that group. It is Skinner and EarlG that block/ban trolls from the site. Huge difference.

You crack me up..

Mosby

35. You and your friends

View profile


Banned me from the HRC group because I dared to suggest that people could avoid hides by being civil.

Granted I said it in a somewhat inelegant way.

I think I said:


It's easy to not get your posts hidden:

Don't be an asshole.



Remember now?

Your group members would get a hide for a personal attack and then go to the HRC group and brag about it, like it was some sort of badge of honor. I think that kind of stuff makes DU suck.

Are you new here!?



Oh you sweet soul. I am so sorry for your pain and suffering. You were banned and attacked on DU in the HRC Group.,

Wow, I am sure you were one of the 750+ that we unblocked from HRC. We did it in a few hours. No questions asked. We decided to sweep all. Yet the all inclusive wondrous power to the people BS group made a very feeble...so feeble attempt to follow our lead. We cleaned ya all out in a few hours. It took Autumn forever to leave 40 behind. I guess BS group believes only some lives matter.

[Mosby]

39. You're the one who decided to make this personal.

Please stop lecturing and talking down to me, thanks.

[nolabels]

45. I am kinda flabbergasted, thanks for the insight.

[heaven05]

46. I just don't believe it

I never will concerning this election. I will NEVER trust any polls, statements, positive edicts coming from the government again. Put it on young people, put it on AA, many, many latinos, asians, all so called disaffected white people, the stealth white voter of significant means( usually white with others in the mix). Maybe millenials were down or many cynically voted for the trumpfuhrer. AA voted in large numbers. Period. Damn we get shot, bashed, hung and bashed again from blame seekers. AmeriKKKans voted in numbers the polls missed or ignored and a lot of stealth voters who had their heads up their a****, ooops sorry, in the sand listening to the MSM just voted. No conscience, no research, no giving a damn about the content of trumpfuhrers message, just followed the lynch mob. NO. Bullshit on your response to OP!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mosby]

48. Here is a chart showing the total numbers

The US has the lowest voter turnout rates of any western country.

[heaven05]

49. you can bash all you please

you blamed AA, circumspectly, for our loss in this election. Every millenial I talked to had an opinion about candidates. I don't know how they voted. Every AA I spoke with pre--was, post--did vote and I talked face to face with a lot of people. You offend, greatly. Take your charts to the usual suspects, they'll eat it up.

[Mosby]

50. How in the world am I bashing anyone?

For that matter, AA voting rates have been going up, especially in 2008 and 2012.

But as the charts I posted clearly show, only 20% of Hispanics voted in the last midterms and 41% in 2012.

17% of 18-29 YOs voted in the midterms and 40% in 2012.

The Hispanic population is climbing, we have to find ways to GOTV in this population and young people, pretending these structural problems don't exist is accepting failure.

[Sunriser13]

29. This may show more of relevance once the 2016 figures are included.

As is, it's historical background data that was already known.

[mcar]

16. Many will not survive this administration

And others will die later because of the long term effects of its policies.

[sheshe2]

23. Yup...yes.

No wellness visit, dead.

Up tic in ERs. The taxpayers pick up the tab. I hate them all.

I hate them mcar. The purists here aided and abetted.

[mcar]

28. Yes

I have so much anger in my heart, she. I have two draft age sons and many nieces and nephews. I am terrified for them.

The purists did aid and abet.

[ErikJ]

18. The REAL worry is all GOP govt and worse a Conservative Surpeme Ct ffor

the next 30 years. The last time we had an all GOP govt was in 1920's which caused the 1929 crash and resulting Great Depression. Same with the 2000's giving us the 2008 crash which was technically worse than the 1929 one.

Trumpvilles anyone?

[Hekate]

19. KnR

[nolabear]

22. I know. I'm going crazy over things that may never affect me. It's hard to be cruel.

[2naSalit]

26. K&R!!

[Equinox Moon]

27. Thank you

Unfortunately, I have heard these very words spoken by people.

It is not about a nation surviving, it is about the collateral damage. This time around, we have a preview of what is to come and the people to be hurt.

[Solly Mack]

31. Yes!!!! K to the fucking R!

[classof56]

33. Thanks for this slice of unadulterated truth, sheshe.

Love to you, and keep doing what you're doing. We need ya!

Class

[kcr]

36. And they're the same people who allowed him to get elected or voted for him.

They underplayed or didn't pay attention to just how dangerous he is, because they don't face that danger. His supporters are just folksy blue caller workers who are suffering! That's all! It's enraging.

[Starry Messenger]

37. k&r

[Doreen]

41. Weathered the Reagan years?

I will tell that to the homeless mental patients that got shoved out of the institutions they were in and some of them dangerous. We do not have many anymore but there are a few still. The rest are either in prison or dead. I do not think they weathered it at all. I am assuming a lot of people are going to die as a result of this Trump dictatorship.

[wisteria]

42. Amen.

[Nitram]

43. Exactly! Many of us won't suffer, but the vulnerable in our society will suffer and many could die.

[lonestarnot]

44. And survival doesn't mean we don't come out on the other end looking like a ragged piece of shit,

half dead and dragging body parts. Survive, yeah isn't that just bullshit. Don't talk to me about that bullshit either. Survive hmmmf.

[heaven05]

47. great OP

I am with you on the 'survival' schitck. Except this ain't no comedy schitck this is a tragedy of the most high order......

[sheshe2]

51. It is a tragedy

and I am terrified for us all, heaven.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

52. 1000

Very well said

[HassleCat]

53. "We" excludes at least these.

Young black men. People with severe personality disorders. People who are not in the US legally, and perhaps some who are here legally. Those who need help with drug and alcohol addiction. Veterans with health or mental problems. Women who need abortions. Workers who count on the government for a safe workplace. People who live near sources of air and water pollution. The citizens of whatever small, defenseless nation we decide to invade or bomb. I'm sure the list will grow as we get deeper into this.