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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHillary is going to win the pop vote 49-46 and by some 2,500,000 votes
Hillary Clinton looks likely to hit 65M votes, roughly on par w/ Obama '12, and win popular vote by ~2.5M: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/133Eb4qQmOxNvtesw2hdVns073R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/edit#gid=19Hillary
I see a lot of Trumpkins whining that a lot of these votes are coming from the Republic Of California. Fine, let us secede and we will form a loose confederation with Mexico and do just fine. We are the sixth largest economy in the world. You need us more than we need you.
still_one
(92,219 posts)Silver Gaia
(4,544 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Call it West America.
still_one
(92,219 posts)Yavin4
(35,441 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)BTW, CO where we get some of our water from is more simpatico with us than Trumpica.
And Trumpica still needs our ports.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Seven states draw water from the Colorado River watershed. Water rights are determined and distributed under the Colorado River Compact. If California were to secede from the United States, it would be prohibited from membership in the Compact because, by law, states cannot enter compacts with foreign governments without consent of Congress.
The US would suffer the loss of a major agricultural center, sure, and maybe even suffer the loss of a few ports. But the US is a big place, and could repurpose other parts of the country to absorb the loss. The same can't be said for California and its water supply. If it comes down to a game of chicken wherein the US withholds water and Cali withholds agriculture, Cali will eventually lose.
Never mind California's wild political demographics. Trumpica doesn't start at the Arizona border. It starts the second you step foot outside of a major city.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)-Act_of_Reparation
You mean those scary people of color?
California is the sixth largest economy in the world. Mexico is the fifteenth largest economy in the world. We would do just fine in a loose confederation with Washington, Nevada, Oregon, and British Columbia (Canada).
Middle America needs the coasts a lot more than the coasts needs them.
To suggest the eastern and western seaboard nations couldn't form viable political entities is fanciful.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)No, and I can't for the life of me discern how in the name of Jesus H. Baldheaded Christ you arrived at such an incredibly off-the-mark interpretation of the very simple idea put forth to you.
I'm talking about California Republicans. I would have thought that obvious, but apparently "political" and "racial" are synonyms in your neck of the woods. Who knew.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I don't see how they can like it here.
"...I'm talking about California Republicans. I would have thought that obvious, but apparently "political" and "racial" are synonyms in your neck of the woods. Who knew..."
Act_of_Reparation
Political party membership =/= demographics?
Act_of_Reparation
Neck? what neck?
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Yes. Crack open the closest dictionary and see for yourself.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)"...They haven't left yet..."
Act_of_Reparation
I suspect if they did they would come back shortly.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)The definition of "criteria", or the intended use of the phrase "such as"? Whatever your malfunction may be, this definition clearly doesn't say what you seem to think it does.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Temper, temper, temper...
"...Whatever your malfunction may be..."
Act_of_Reparation
You seem, well, apoplectic... Breathe...
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Bad weather?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Act_of_Reparation
The weather is always great in So Cal.
Maybe the absence of great weather in you life is the source of your apoplexy.
Auggie
(31,173 posts)besides, what we save on defense spending will expand renewable energy used to desalinate the Pacific Ocean.
My pipe dream. Talk of succession is a waste of time. We're in this with the rest of country.
Mendocino
(7,495 posts)CA takes a lions share of this water, 4.40 million acre feet a year. Despite having the second lowest of river frontage of all the Colorado River Compact states and nearly no viable return of water to the CO watershed.
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)called Columbia. We'll work something out.
jalan48
(13,870 posts)Cascadia works for me.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)jalan48
(13,870 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)We get Silicon Valley, Hollywood, Vegas, the Port Of Los Angeles, and lush farmlands.
We could build a beautiful racially diverse social democracy.
jalan48
(13,870 posts)It would be great to live in a place where people thought more positively about working together, as a real community, instead of competing with one another for scraps. Global Capitalism does more harm than just environmental damage, it poisons the relationships between humans. It turns us into self-centered competitors, willing to push others into the gutter to stay afloat.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)However there would be a robust safety net and a commitment to eliminating abject poverty.
We would be more like, say, Canada.
metroins
(2,550 posts)We will be your army of defense with all of our guns.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts).
New Jersey is the #1 donor to those "socialist-loving" Red States, giving $31 Billion, more than state budget.
California is #2 and NY is #3.
Without California, how will the Red States survive? They won't have your sugar daddy state to bail them out!
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The Republic of California rejects all forms of bigotry and welcomes all who are escaping from it.
barbtries
(28,799 posts)i gotta go home!
Ligyron
(7,633 posts)I'm too old and apparently too poor to do so, lol.
Unless anyone has a spare basement...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Is there racial tension? Yes. Are there parts of the city that I would be afraid to go? Yes, but that is true of any major city in any country. There are always going to be knuckleheads who don't want to get along.
OTOH, if you go to a mall or store or restaurant you will see folks of all races, nationalities, religions, and gender orientations mixing and getting along. We bask in our diversity.
Ligyron
(7,633 posts)The whole west coast seems to be like that. Oh, sure, there are jerks but compared to many places it's not even close.
When things get bad, I hope the whole West coast succeeds. It will bankrupt flyover country.
I think Sessions, if he gets in, will go after weed and that may be the kick off.
I'm about half serious here.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I am so disappointed in my former state. I really thought Hillary's moderate liberalism was a great fit for it.
I see Rick Scott wants to run against Bill Nelson. Bill Nelson temperamentally and politically is a great fit for FL. He should be able to beat Rick Scott handily. But Trump's win in FL makes me challenge everything I thought I knew about the state I was raised in.
Ligyron
(7,633 posts)As you know, it's a strange mix statewide of NYC liberal and southern idiocy plus more Latinos all the time. Hard to gauge what's going on exactly but we know there's some GOP funny business always in play.
I wouldn't be surprised if Hills hadn't actually won here,. but...
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I hope Scott doesn't beat Nelson. I don't think he can. Nelson is pretty popular.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)ericson00
(2,707 posts)amending it so that if the margin of popular vote victory for one candidate is greater than 2% nationally, the EC gets cancelled out. The GOP knows full well that some day, a Democrat could win the EC while losing the popular vote, like had John Kerry won Ohio in 2004. A case could be made the preserving the EC until 2% keeps the incentive to engage both rural and urban/suburban, but that democracy doesn't just go out of the window.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)50,000 or so votes in OH and HI and Ford would have beat Carter despite losing the pop vote by 1m.
The E C is a mess !!!
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)safeinOhio
(32,688 posts)I may have to live in a beat up old trailer out in the desert on the far East side, but I'd do it.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)He is doing worse than McCain, Romney, or any Republican.
underpants
(182,829 posts)The talking point on the right (picked by MSM of course) was "Look at how much of the country voted for Bush!"
Dirt doesn't vote, people do. It makes no difference if the votes "are just coming from California" (RW talking point) it's still people.
UTUSN
(70,710 posts)spanone
(135,844 posts)you were right dictator don, it is rigged....in your favor
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Clintons popular vote margin should reach 2.5 million, about 5x Kerrys margin in 2004.
Final result will be Clinton wins popular vote by over 2.5 million if the same California percentages prevail as the current count.
Trumps projected popular vote deficit equals all of Clintons votes in 12 states: WY, ND, AL, SD, MT, VT, WV, ID, DE, RI, HI, and NE.
Thirty states have fewer votes cast per state than Trumps projected deficit of 2.5 million.
In eleven states Trump won, the seven state total vote is less than 2.5 million.
Seven states combined cast 2.3 million total votes (least first): WY, AK, DC, VT, ND, SD, and HI.
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ecstatic
(32,711 posts)We look like clowns right now. Over half the nation is still sickened by the idea of trump's "regime" (his words) taking control. What a joke disaster!
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)The US is and always has been a republic by the intentional design of the framers of the Constitution.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)All this BS that it makes it fairer for people in sparsely populated states is nonsense. Lawrence O'Donnell eviscerated that argument the other night. To wit.....Montana has about a million people and 3 electoral votes. If California had the same ratio it would have over a 100 electoral votes and so on and so on.
It always works in favor of the right. Think of the cost resulting from 2000! Why, after that, we did not go after this dinosaur hard is beyond me. This nation is founded on one person one vote and yet.....in any other nation the person with the most votes wins, but not necessarily here.
One more thing...we must get away from voting machines and get real about voting.
OnlinePoker
(5,722 posts)Currently, they get 55 votes. California has 12.2% of the population. 12.2% of the 538 EC votes is 66, not 100.
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)The Founding Fathers were clearly Republican plants.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It was partly designed to prevent a demagogue from gaining power. It is obviously failing.
lake loon
(99 posts)... the the right people were in the "college."
OnlinePoker
(5,722 posts)How can they still be counting votes 2 weeks after the election took place? It boggles my mind that it can't be done in one night (or two at most).
TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)dsc
(52,162 posts)with a holiday only 3 days after that means a non trivial number of ballots could take a week or so to arrive.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Scrap the EC.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Wild.
mythology
(9,527 posts)BootinUp
(47,165 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)By Dan Merica, CNN Updated 10:23 PM ET, Tue November 22, 2016
(CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign is being urged by a number of top computer scientists to call for a recount of vote totals in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, according to a source with knowledge of the request.
The computer scientists believe they have found evidence that vote totals in the three states could have been manipulated or hacked and presented their findings to top Clinton aides on a call last Thursday.
The scientists, among them J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, told the Clinton campaign they believe there is a questionable trend of Clinton performing worse in counties that relied on electronic voting machines compared to paper ballots and optical scanners, according to the source.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/index.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028299199
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)That's nice but Captain Clueless is still driving his minions in the clown car.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)and vote for liberals.