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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLet's stop with the "alt-right" bullshit
and call them what they are: Neo Nazis.
geomon666
(7,512 posts)Calling them Alt-Right is just helping the Neo Nazi cause to rebrand themselves.
SharonAnn
(13,776 posts)Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)pokerfan
(27,677 posts)So does Indy...
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Contact every 'medeeeaaahh outlet possible and tell them the same...
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)Doubt it will do much good, but worth a try.
still_one
(92,219 posts)lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)I just really don't like the softening that "alt-right" portrays - lots of people don't know what it means, but they know what Nazi means.
still_one
(92,219 posts)gordianot
(15,239 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)deurbano
(2,895 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)...so much more honest and appropriate in the native German.
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ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)redwitch
(14,944 posts)onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)Lisa0825
(14,487 posts)ThinkProgress will no longer describe racists as alt-right
With that in mind, ThinkProgress will no longer treat alt-right as an accurate descriptor of either a movement or its members. We will only use the name when quoting others. When appending our own description to men like Spencer and groups like NPI, we will use terms we consider more accurate, such as white nationalist or white supremacist.
White nationalist refers to a specific ideology held by many of those who adopt the alt-right label. A white nationalist is someone who believes the United States should be governed by and for white people, and that national policy should radically advance white interests. White supremacists are a broader and more inchoate group, comprised of those who believe in the innate superiority of white people.
We will describe people and movements as neo-Nazis only when they identify as such, or adopt important aspects of Nazi rhetoric and iconography.
The point here is not to call people names, but simply to describe them as they are. We wont do racists public relations work for them. Nor should other news outlets.
meow2u3
(24,764 posts)bdamomma
(63,875 posts)they are a minority aren't they???? Home grown terrorists.
Bettie
(16,110 posts)mainstream Republicans.
This is who they are, it is simply out in the open now.
matt819
(10,749 posts)Nazis.
Yes, I now that refers to the National Socialists of 1920s and 1930s Germany, but it really does apply. And the Neo sounds like some sort of qualifier that makes it all acceptable.
bdamomma
(63,875 posts)they should be called.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)turbinetree
(24,703 posts)the hell that means.
Gives that warm fuzzy feeling.
Hell you don't excpect the MSM to come out and say today on blah blah show, our guest is going to be the head racists...................tune in at six, because we are trying to say that they are only "alt right", you know that detour that we don't want to talk about, bigotry and racists, that they are. Then they can put there disclaimer below the new name they give the individual, I know how about "contributor of analyst", they will hide what he or she really is!!!!!
Because you know they will want to bring them on there "shows" for entertainment value, just as Les Moovees, and Jeff Zucker
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Hit it!
Liberal In Red State
(442 posts)lark
(23,105 posts)Heil Drumpf is what he, Bannon and Flynn are pushing. Pence just wants his version of sharia law implemented, the Christian fundamentalist patriarcy where women and minorities, especially LGBT folks, have no rights to even live.
central scrutinizer
(11,652 posts)Who grew their hair, put on suit and tie and found an innocuous new name.
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)mn9driver
(4,426 posts)Woody Allen has problems. But he got this exactly right:
NBachers
(17,120 posts)onethatcares
(16,172 posts)it's a gas to piss em off too.
Marr
(20,317 posts)We aren't doing ourselves any favors by clouding the definition of this 'alt-right' label. It's not a synonym for 'Neo-Nazi'. This is one of those frogs/toads situations... all frogs are toads, but not all toads are frogs.
'Alt-right' is an umbrella term for a mostly online phenomenon that's risen up in the last few years, and appeals mostly to younger people who feel their concerns aren't addressed by the political establishment. There's a whole range of groups that self-identify as 'alt-right'. They're mostly right-wing or libertarian causes, and may or or may not have anything to do one another.
I'm seeing a lot of people try to shove this decidedly idiosyncratic, square peg into the political round holes they're used to. It just doesn't work.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Which is the intent of the framing white supremacists as "alt right"... it is an attempt to normalize this horrific movement. The alt right is the KKK with keyboards instead of robes and hoods.
There is no attempt to put a square peg into a round hole ... its is a perfect fit for the round hole
The Alternative Right, commonly known as the Alt-Right, is a set of far-right ideologies, groups and individuals whose core belief is that white identity is under attack by multicultural forces using
political correctness and social justice to undermine white people and their civilization. Characterized by heavy use of social media and online memes, Alt-Righters eschew establishment conservatism, skew young, and embrace white ethno-nationalism as a fundamental value.
The two groups have similar focuses and goals and white-nationalists can be part of the alt-right movement. But Hawley said the difference is the alt-right movement has no real formal organization and mostly exists online.
I think part of it is more a difference of style and marketing than a difference in substance, though I would note that it seems like most of the leading figures of the alt-right do disavow things like genocide, which some of the more outrageous earlier white nationalists didnt necessarily do," Hawley told the Post.
On September 9, 2016, several leaders of the alt-right community held a press conference, described by one reporter as the "coming-out party" of the little-known movement, to explain their goals. They proclaimed racialist beliefs, stating "Race is real, race matters, and race is the foundation of identity."
Alt-right - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
Marr
(20,317 posts)What I said is accurate. I realize it doesn't conform to the simple, two-color scheme that our political ideologues like to paint with, but it's accurate. I don't see what we gain from reducing a complex picture to a cartoon, and trying to beat people into accepting it with these predictable, kneejerk, not-so-veiled accusations of bigotry.
By the way, the SPLC lost it's credibility when it labelled Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Maajid Nawaz 'anti-Muslim extremists'.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)You are taking something rather simplistic and attempting to make it conform it to your opinion by adding false attributes in order to dilute what the "movement" is.
The "founder" or "leader" (admittedly he is merely a representative) coined the term and clearly defined it.
There is nothing nuanced, subtle or complex about the movement or its defenders.
You may call it knee jerk to soundly and completely condemn the KKK, Nazis, Christian identity movements (which do not embrace all Christians, solely white Christians) and all hate groups but those that monitor them and those opposed to them have no issue with their condemnation or the condemnation of the "alt right" which serves to provide an umbrella to cover these splinter and hate groups.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Your defense of the alt right uses the defense the Breitbart team and Bannon (and Breitbart editor) used in this interview ... it is almost verbatim.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/listen-to-steve-bannon-defending-the-racist-alt-right-one-week-before-joining-trump-campaign/
I thought you would want to know that your definition and defense is mirrored by those attempting to legitimize the alt right and is used by no one else. Hopefully, it will give you an opportunity to reassess the alt right.
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Wolf Frankula
(3,601 posts)Alt my celebrated hindquarters. This is the same old KKK, White Citizen's Councils, Bircher nonsense we've had for decades. They're just using the net and new names.
Wolf
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)"Nazis." That is exactly what they are.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Initech
(100,080 posts)shadowmayor
(1,325 posts)They're just the "latest" version of racist assholes. Thank MSM for making the alt-right a thing to begin with.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)They are regular Nazis.
Onyrleft
(344 posts)I mean; who else would let him grab them?
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)The Nazi alt-right.
Alt-right nazis.
Don't use one without the other.
Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)neuro-lingustic programming is your friend
retrowire
(10,345 posts)The "alt-right" is a term invented by the republicans so they can sidestep and say, "No, that's THEM, not us." Horseshit. This is the new Republican party.
Either be a good conservative or a "Republican".
graphix4change
(5 posts)but if they walk like a duck. Or should that be march like a goose?
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Onyrleft
(344 posts)AmericanMan1958
(520 posts)Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)Alternative has lots of positive connotations like alternative energy, comedy etc. better than what it replaced. It also allows them to cite Godwin's law whenever anyone calls a spade a spade. These people are through the looking glass, the liberals are the intolerant ones because they won't swallow the bullshit about how the poor white people are being drowned under a tide of political correctness gone mad.
Simple answers appeal to idiots like this, it's a lot easier to blame all this crap on a black president than robber baron capitalism and lack of union representation in the developing world.
JHB
(37,161 posts)I suspect there's a dog whistle in there.