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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 03:40 PM Nov 2016

Playing Defense Is Not Good Enough We Have To Learn To Counter Attack And Inflict Personal Pain.

Last edited Mon Nov 28, 2016, 11:02 PM - Edit history (1)

What I am recommending is nonviolent social control tactics that will cause perpetrators to think before they go ballistic. I am also talking about verbally firing back without apologizing. We apologize too much even when we are right. It is ok to piss on these people verbally and piss them off generally.

I understand what Obama was up to and had tremendous patience, But his patience was used against him again and again. You cannot negotiate or tolerate someone who has a knife at your throat. Democrats need a fighter like Weiner or Grayson. Sadly their flaws betrayed them and hurt us.


Just playing defense when one of the Trumpers misbehaves and goes ballistic is not good enough. We have to counter attack and inflict pain on them. It might make them pause in the future. What I am recommending is talking back and maybe forcing them to leave the area. If they have broken the law call the police. If you cannot detain them ID them and have them sought out and arrested.

In some cases gang up on them verbally and run them off. If they are in a business tell them you will refuse to serve them in the future. Let be known that the punishment is permanent.

At least that jerk got banned from Delta. What about banning him from all air travel and putting him on a watch list.

We are in a new era now where just playing defense will not be enough in the future. Trumpers and racists depend on inaction and paralysis. They know they can create a scene and just leave and get away with it. They have to suffer some consequences if they are creating problems or are being violent.

The racists, bigots, misogynists and Trumpers have little problem attempting to silence the opposition. Look at all the threats of violence, violence and death threats issued if you even dare to criticize Trump, the GOP, RW churches or conservatives. They go ballistic and shout you down, threaten and even assault people. We have to be ready to defend and counter attack in the future.
Democrats have a reputation of not fighting back.

I do not believe in I do not want to be like them in every case. We go high when they go low really worked for us did it not. I spent a year in Vietnam and I do not remember our troops refusing to open fire because we did not want to be like the NVA or VC. We must all understand we are now in a new era of protest. We must learn to attack back in appropriate ways other wise we will be overrun by the opposition. No army ever won a battle just playing defense 100% of the time.

Understand the GOP, Trump, conservatives and the RW churches are at war with us. They want to eliminate progressivism and liberalism from the country and discourse completely. In that way they are just like the Taliban.

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Playing Defense Is Not Good Enough We Have To Learn To Counter Attack And Inflict Personal Pain. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Nov 2016 OP
I agree. leanforward Nov 2016 #1
The Brutal Truth Is They Have Declared War. They Even Issued Liberal Hunting Permits. TheMastersNemesis Nov 2016 #2
I saw run Weiner and Grayson treestar Nov 2016 #3
You have some stones calling other people misogynistic Dreamer Tatum Nov 2016 #4
Part of why I consider Trump to not meet my personal qualifications for President mythology Nov 2016 #5
Consider this: Dawson Leery Nov 2016 #6
One thing you said isn't totally true. LAS14 Nov 2016 #7
Franklin Graham, Jerry Falwell Jr., Joel Osteen, Pat Robertson & Creflo Dollar are hatrack Nov 2016 #8
Right. Not all churches are fundamentalist churches. By a long shot. LAS14 Nov 2016 #9
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
5. Part of why I consider Trump to not meet my personal qualifications for President
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 04:39 PM
Nov 2016

is his personality and unwillingness to do anything but whatever temper tantrum he's throwing at that point.

Anthony Weiner sent explicit text messages to an underage girl. That's not a minor thing. Grayson is an asshole in the same vein as Trump if he doesn't get his way. That's ignoring the reports of many years of domestic abuse.

I want to end the cycle of constant name-calling and inability to work together on anything more complicated than naming a post office. We have multiple major issues like climate change, the Middle East, the coming of more and more automation and what that means for workers, population growth, etc. Having the parties being diametrically opposed makes it harder to make progress on things. Even if Republicans disagreed on the best steps on climate change, I want them to at least accept basic science. I don't think trying to treat them like the worst of them treats Democrats helps that goal.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
6. Consider this:
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 08:55 PM
Nov 2016

"Understand the GOP, Trump, conservatives and the churches are at war with us. They want to eliminate progressivism and liberalism from the country and discourse completely. In that way they are just like the Taliban. "

Evangelicals are here. They are a far greater threat than ANYTHING from the middle east.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
7. One thing you said isn't totally true.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 08:58 PM
Nov 2016

" and the churches are at war with us. "

We have the Judaeo Christian tradition to thank for our liberal/progressive values. Please don't lump "churches" with the bad guys.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
8. Franklin Graham, Jerry Falwell Jr., Joel Osteen, Pat Robertson & Creflo Dollar are
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:07 PM
Nov 2016

Fundamentalist churches certainly are.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
9. Right. Not all churches are fundamentalist churches. By a long shot.
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 09:15 PM
Nov 2016

And here's an evangelical group that truly espouses Christ's teachings. https://sojo.net/. Get educated!

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