Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Kingofalldems

(38,458 posts)
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 09:43 AM Jan 2017

Proof of Nixon's treason. 30,000 died for his election

Nixon sabotaged peace process in 1968 by pressing South Vietnam to hold out on joining talks. All so he could get elected. Worse than Watergate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/31/opinion/sunday/nixons-vietnam-treachery.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0

These notes were just found. See the one with the exclamation point:





Nixon ordered Haldeman to 'put a monkey wrench' on potential peace talks.

33 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Proof of Nixon's treason. 30,000 died for his election (Original Post) Kingofalldems Jan 2017 OP
Burn in hell. mahina Jan 2017 #1
Slowly but surely taking me out too madokie Jan 2017 #3
Aloha no Madokie mahina Jan 2017 #21
Why the hell LBJ did not go public with it I'll never know Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #2
LBJ was afraid of getting killed too DK504 Jan 2017 #15
LBJ was complicit HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #19
The GOP has betrayed this Country over and over again. annabanana Jan 2017 #4
Only way they can "win", it would appear. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2017 #6
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #24
We are in our final days. libtodeath Jan 2017 #30
And in the end what did all of those young men die for anyway? jalan48 Jan 2017 #5
wish I could rec a comment! rurallib Jan 2017 #14
Why are Republicans such motherfucking treasonous assholes??? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #7
Because the whole IDEA of America has always annabanana Jan 2017 #8
there certainly is a consistent and pathological evil to them, and even more sickening is how Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #9
+1, they hate the "..ALL... men (should be people) are created equal part" to a T uponit7771 Jan 2017 #25
Because I lived through this and knew this was happening is why I hate the hard left OKNancy Jan 2017 #10
The loss of Bobby and MLK that summer 90-percent Jan 2017 #16
they were murky but fishy as hell, and now we know they were probably CIA/FBI jobs Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #23
SDS and the hard left gave the election to Nixon? FailureToCommunicate Jan 2017 #18
For some people it is always "the left's" fault. truebluegreen Jan 2017 #27
this is true-- I think Tom Hayden wrote a piece recanting his stance on this, and saying to not make Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #22
+1, I don't remember reading Nixon praising leaders of America's adversaries uponit7771 Jan 2017 #26
Wow, does this sound like recent events: Fast Walker 52 Jan 2017 #11
Now we have the proof. Kingofalldems Jan 2017 #20
Repugs are traitors, lark Jan 2017 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #29
So you believe Trump's Russia stance to be a good thing? Kingofalldems Jan 2017 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #33
30,000 Americans and a million + people in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos Botany Jan 2017 #13
LBJ taped conversation with GOP Senate minority leader agreeing it was treason yurbud Jan 2017 #17
This "knowledge" has been out there for decades, I don't know why it's a sudden revelation now. TheBlackAdder Jan 2017 #28
Was thinking the same thing... Docreed2003 Jan 2017 #32

mahina

(17,665 posts)
1. Burn in hell.
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 09:46 AM
Jan 2017

My strong funny loving father was among the casualties, eventually. Peace to all. All except RN.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
2. Why the hell LBJ did not go public with it I'll never know
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 09:57 AM
Jan 2017

There is tape of him telling Evertt Dirkson it's treason.

The Reagan campaign cut a deal to keep the hostages in Iran iuntil after the 1980 election which grew into Iran Contra and now this!

Come Democrats: DO NOT LET THE TREASONOUS GOP GET AWAY WITH THE HACKING SCANDAL! DON'T MOVE ON!

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
19. LBJ was complicit
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 01:11 PM
Jan 2017

Gulf of Tokin fakeout. History shows that the Vietnamese NEVER stop fighting. Could take a hundred years, they always win on their turf.

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
8. Because the whole IDEA of America has always
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 11:06 AM
Jan 2017

gone completely over their heads... or wasn't convenient for their purse, ...or both

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
9. there certainly is a consistent and pathological evil to them, and even more sickening is how
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 11:10 AM
Jan 2017

they keep getting elected after it's clear how horrible they are.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
10. Because I lived through this and knew this was happening is why I hate the hard left
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 11:24 AM
Jan 2017

All those SDS assholes who hated Johnson and Humphrey... got us Nixon.
They wanted some sort of perfect person and if they couldn't get it, then fuck you. Kind of like Susan Sarandon.

Sometimes one needs to be pragmatic and practical. Otherwise, you get horrible, horrible people like Nixon and Trump.

--
Although given a choice, I prefer Nixon. I think Trump is insane.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
16. The loss of Bobby and MLK that summer
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 12:47 PM
Jan 2017

Was also why we got Nixon. Imagine what would have been if Bobby wasn't killed!

Only the good die from murky and unsolvable assassinations.

-90% Jimmy

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
23. they were murky but fishy as hell, and now we know they were probably CIA/FBI jobs
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 06:47 PM
Jan 2017

And of course the FBI helped Trump get elected this year.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,014 posts)
18. SDS and the hard left gave the election to Nixon?
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 01:07 PM
Jan 2017


The Vietnam War, especially the Tet Offensive, Bobby Kennedy's and MLK's assinations, picking Hubert Humphrey over Eugene McCarthy at the Democratic Convention in August in Chicago, Mayor Richard Daley, and enough voters buying Tricky Dick's 'restore law and order' crap -like the rioting that followed King’s assassination- gave us that bastard Nixon.

"Hello history? Give me re-write"
 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
22. this is true-- I think Tom Hayden wrote a piece recanting his stance on this, and saying to not make
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 06:46 PM
Jan 2017

the same mistake for Trump.

of course the hard left assholes-- Bernie or Bust or Green voters-- still wouldn't be reasoned with, again.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
11. Wow, does this sound like recent events:
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 11:25 AM
Jan 2017

"In a conversation with the Republican senator Everett Dirksen, the minority leader, Johnson lashed out at Nixon. “I’m reading their hand, Everett,” Johnson told his old friend. “This is treason.”

“I know,” Dirksen said mournfully.

Johnson’s closest aides urged him to unmask Nixon’s actions. But on a Nov. 4 conference call, they concluded that they could not go public because, among other factors, they lacked the “absolute proof,” as Defense Secretary Clark Clifford put it, of Nixon’s direct involvement.

Nixon was elected president the next day."

lark

(23,105 posts)
12. Repugs are traitors,
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 11:53 AM
Jan 2017

or at least the deplorables that support the orange criminal are. McCain and Graham show signs of caring about the country, at least as far as putting us first and not sucking Putins dick.

Response to lark (Reply #12)

Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #31)

Botany

(70,516 posts)
13. 30,000 Americans and a million + people in Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 12:01 PM
Jan 2017

Grand total of war deaths: Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos (1954-1975)

low est. middle est. high est.
1,450,000 2,450,000 3,595,000

US Casualties

Casualties as of 9 June 2016:

58,315 KIA or non-combat deaths (including the missing & deaths in captivity)[52]
153,303 WIA (excluding 150,332 persons not requiring hospital care)[53]
1,618 MIA (originally 2,646)[54]
766–778 POW (652–662 freed/escaped*,[55][56] 114–116 died in captivity)[55][57]
During the Vietnam War, 30% of wounded service members died of their wounds.[58]

From wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties

including my friends older brother .... he didn't make 19

http://www.vvmf.org/Wall-of-Faces/44773/JAMES-E-RUDD

Docreed2003

(16,862 posts)
32. Was thinking the same thing...
Mon Jan 2, 2017, 09:48 AM
Jan 2017

I thought it was common knowledge that Nixon had done this. Is it just noteworthy now because of the smoking gun of the papers?

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Proof of Nixon's treason....