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http://oliverwillis.com/editor-major-newspaper-promises-wont-call-trump-lies/Editor For Major Newspaper Promises: We Wont Call Out Trump Lies
January 1, 2017 Oliver Willis
The editor-in-chief of the Wall Street Journal, Gerard Baker, has publicly promised that his newspaper will continue refusing to use the word lie when reporting on lies by Donald Trump.
Appearing on NBCs Meet the Press on the first day of the new year, Baker was asked by host Chuck Todd if he would use the word lie to refer to Trumps words and actions, the editor refused.
Id be careful about using the word, lie. Lie implies much more than just saying something thats false. It implies a deliberate intent to mislead, he said.
Baker then pointed out Trumps lie during the presidential campaign in which he said that he saw thousands of Muslims celebrating in New Jersey after the 9/11 attacks, and said even though the reporting showed that what Trump claimed was completely untrue he would not be comfortable describing it as a lie.
I think if you start ascribing a moral intent, as it were, to someone by saying that theyve lied, I think you run the risk that you look like you are, like youre not being objective.
For a major newspaper editor to decide that calling out a lie by the incoming president is out of bounds is a major victory for Trump. As he takes control of the levers of power of the presidency, he can feel secure in the fact that no matter what he says, no matter how absurd or out of touch with reality it is, the Wall Street Journal (which has the same owner as Fox News Channel, Rupert Murdoch) will not call what he says a lie.
In 2014 the Wall Street Journal ranked second for circulation among all national newspapers, with a total daily average circulation of 2.3 million, behind USA Today and ahead of the New York Times.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)It's become about as accurate and objective as a supermarket tabloid. No surprise that they'll handle der Trumpenführer with kid gloves.
forgotmylogin
(7,529 posts)Id be careful about using the word, lie. Lie implies much more than just saying something thats false. It implies a deliberate intent to mislead, he said.
This is arguing semantics.
Trump: "I am 40 feet tall."
That is a false statement. It is also a lie, because he did not add "j/k lol!" at the end of it. If you say something that is false without the context that it is a false statement, that is the very definition of lying!
lie
noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
Synonyms: prevarication, falsification.
Antonyms: truth.
2.
something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture:
His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3.
an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)Using your example, anyone who says "I am 40 feet tall" could be assumed to be lying because the statement is false on its face and no one, including the speaker, could believe it was true (unless he was in the grip of a psychotic delusion). So of course he would be lying because he had to have known it was false. Making a false statement while knowing it to be false necessarily assumes that there had to have been "a deliberate intent to mislead." The WSJ is using weasel words (a/k/a "bullshit" to defend its refusal to call a lie a lie.
malaise
(269,049 posts)mercuryblues
(14,532 posts)1. Bluff: a statement intended to deceive or confuse
2. Canard: an unsubstantiated story or report
3. Deceit: a deceptive statement
4. Deception: A statement or action intended to mislead
5. Distortion: a deviation from the true meaning, or an overstatement of proportion
6. Equivocation: a misleading or confusing statement based on the possibility of differing interpretations
7. Exaggeration: an overstatement or overemphasis
8. Fable: a fictitious statement or story, in the sense of something made up to explain or justify an unmerited action or state of affairs
9. Fabrication: a made-up fact or incident
10. Fairy tale: a misleading story, especially a simplistic one that would not be expected to deceive anyone
11. Fallacy: a deceptive or erroneous statement; also, a false idea or a flawed argument
12. Falsehood: something untrue or inaccurate
13. Falsification: an alteration of facts in order to deceive
14. Falsity (see falsehood)
15. Fib: a simple, perhaps transparent lie
16. Fiction: an invented statement or story
17. Half-truth: a statement with some basis in truth that nevertheless serves to deceive
18. Humbug: a false, deceptive, or nonsensical statement
19. Invention: a statement crafted to deceive
20. Jive: a deceptive, insincere, or nonsensical statement
21. Libel: a written or similarly presented lie that defames a person
23. Mendacity: an act of lying
23. Misconception: a poor understanding, perhaps deliberate, of a fact
24. Misinformation: a purported fact presented with the intent to deceive
25. Misinterpretation: a deviation from the facts or from a reasonable analysis of them
26. Misreport: an inaccurate account
27. Misrepresentation: an erroneous or unfair interpretation of facts
28. Misstatement: an inaccurate or erroneous comment
29. Myth: a perpetuated notion, belief, or tradition that is suspect or unfounded
30. Obliquity: a deviation from the truth to obscure or confuse
31. Perjury: a lie presented under oath
32. Pose: a false or deceptive position or self-representation
33. Pretense: an unsupported claim, an insincere purpose or intention, or a superficial effort
34. Prevarication: a deviation from the truth
35. Slander: an injuriously false statement about a person
36. Story: a lie, or a rumor
37. Tale: a false representation
38. Taradiddle: nonsense (also, see fib)
39. Untruth: a deviation from truth or the facts
40. Whopper: an outsized lie
0rganism
(23,957 posts)mr. editor would not be deviating from objective presentation by pointing them out as such
neeksgeek
(1,214 posts)"His Supreme Mendaciousness"
He'll probably take it as a superlative.
Girard442
(6,075 posts)...saying I saw Ivanka giving Donald a blowjob, then by the same logic, that wouldn't be a lie either, right?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)There is nothing that I would put past that family.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Someone mentioned "news and facts" were now subject to be treated like Yelp reviews.
The problem we have now is "facts" have been labeled as political tools.
The M$M has become politicized in that financial support from advertisers and subscribers is contingent on the message - they have to target the message to their "constituency." Fox has an audience, MSNBC had an audience. The "news" and opinion related to the "facts" now has a particular targeted spin.
If you watch CNN, each "fact" is debated by a panel of 3 to 8 individuals which further supports the notion that there are no "facts."
Is it any wonder so many of our fellow citizens don't give a shit about any of this?
Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)bdamomma
(63,868 posts)should be held as accomplices they are traitors too.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Have they ever subjected Republicans to any scrutiny?
Initech
(100,080 posts)joanbarnes
(1,722 posts)Bush lying during the State of the Union address.
A $upreme Court justice mouthing "you lie!" to President Obama.
dhill926
(16,343 posts)See...I told you so.....
Augiedog
(2,548 posts)to truth. Everything is some fashionable flavor of grey, or green in the form of cash. Not calling out tRump for his obvious lies will cost American and foreign lives. Making the media complicit in the deaths and destruction that ensues. The constitution embodies the very concept of calling out the liers for the very reason that politicians will lie at any opportunity, it's what they do.
Cassidy
(202 posts)Thanks, Wall $treet Urinal!
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)To riff on Franken's book....
hadEnuf
(2,193 posts)that they cannot be expected to have any credibility as a news organization anymore.
They are openly admitting that they intend to be a propaganda mouthpiece for Trump.
Call it what it is.
3catwoman3
(24,006 posts)...intent to mislead."
No shit, Sherlock! Duh!
What sort of bullshit is this? Kiss your journalistic integrity goodbye, you jerk. (Probaby already did.) A pox on this kind of rationalizing.
Paladin
(28,264 posts)It wouldn't surprise me.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Tap-dancing around Emperor Cheeto, straining to avoid ruffling his delicate feathers, saying this and not that, rather than calling things what they are in reality.
The Trumpkins and compliant media are all aboard the anti-PC train EXCEPT when it comes to talking about their figurehead. Then their own brand of PC gets applied. Example: when Drumpf starts talking about nukes, his surrogates inform us that such frank talk is "refreshing" and is just another instance of their boss "telling it like it is."
Hekate
(90,714 posts)MadCrow
(155 posts)As a list of 40 other synonyms was previously posted, journalists should have no problem. Just choose the synonyms that have the most syllables and the average ardent Trump supporter won't have a clue. They aren't going to believe that The Donald would lie, so it's just a waste of time to try to change their minds. But there might be enough Republicans left who have seen the light and might appreciate a little downright truth from the media. Not just, he said, she said and giving equal time to any outrageous statement from either side. It's time to hold the press responsible to do their duty as they are the only profession mentioned in the Constitution. Remember freedom of speech and freedom of the press are listed separately in the First Amendment. An individual has a right to his opinions, but it is the duty of the press to separate fact from fiction, and news from opinion.