Do Hillary supporters want HRC to come forward and lead (now)?

[Equinox Moon]

EOM

[Mike Nelson]

1. After a well-deserved rest...

...she will be back. Hillary will likely pick a focus and continue working. So, she will be a voice in the Democratic Party. As far as running for the top spot in 3-4 years, we can tell... it's impossible to know the mood of the country regarding her future as a return candidate. Hillary will be campaigning for the nominee, though!

[Equinox Moon]

13. Okay. Thanks.

[bettyellen]

2. That would be a non-starter. I suspect people suggesting this miss their kick ball....

And lack focus now that they can't concentrate all their hatred on her.

[stopbush]

3. Yep

[Equinox Moon]

7. Help me understand your meaning...

Do you think if she came forward with resistance leadership it would be problematic? I did not think of that. I was thinking we need her help with this fight.

[bettyellen]

39. I think most people saying "where's Hillary now" have dubious intentions

Seems clear to me

[DesertRat]

51. I agree. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. I think Hillary earned a well-deserved rest and time off to contemplate how best to serve the Democratic Party going forward... no reasonable person would dispute that.

[Auntie Bush]

76. Plus one hundred thousand and one.

I couldn't stop typing.

[Hekate]

14. Spot on, bettyellen. nt

[JI7]

23. YUP, another thread showed this. they were always about hate. that's why they did nothing to help

feingold and other democrats.

[leftofcool]

35. Nailed it!

Hillary owes the Democrats exactly ZERO

[unitedwethrive]

4. Nope...I really want the government to go "full Trump"

So Americans will see what unencumbered repub governance looks like. It is the only way to counter their lies about caring for the common man.

[Eleanors38]

48. Sounds like a spin-off of Maoism. I suggest fighting the GOPers in their de-construction,

and building a strong Party organization which will appeal to a broader base, using a platform which addresses common concerns, and vigorously goes after RW propaganda. These are the functions of parties.

[Demsrule86]

5. There is no such thing as a Hillary supporter...the primary and election is over.

Time to move on and fight Trump.

[Thinkingabout]

29. With the primary and election over for 2016 did not end my support of HRC.

[Demsrule86]

86. We can support her as a person...and I think Trump will attempt to

prosecute her by the way...we should fight that. But the important thing now is to support Democratic efforts to stop Trump...will we forever define ourselves as a Bernie support or a Hillary supporter?...Now as many here know, I still have hard feelings about Sen. Sanders and believe he should never have run...but I am trying to put this behind me...I may never like him again, but we have to move on...and stop as much of the GOP SHITSHOW as we can.

[leftofcool]

36. Wrong!

Hillary is the only Democrat I support at the moment!

[Demsrule86]

87. She is not running for office at the moment.

I support her efforts and believe she was unfairly treated in the primary and the election, but we have to move on. 18 and 20 are coming...we have to try to mitigate the damage this election has caused. I was boots on the ground for Hillary...my hubs, daughters, and son too wept bitterly on election night when it was clear she would lose the electoral college; I will always believe this election was stolen too...but we have to at least try to stop the GOP.

[DawgHouse]

43. I guess I must be a unicorn. I support HRC

and I will fight Trump. Look at me, walking and chewing gum at the same time!

[Demsrule86]

85. You are missing the point. I support Hillary too...

what I mean is Democrats need to unite and not be divided by whom the supported during the primary.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

77. I am and always will be a Hillary supporter

In that I admire her and support her policy stances

[Demsrule86]

84. I admire her too...but the election is over.

And dividing the party by Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters is not a good idea. I fought hard to elect Hillary but now we must unite and fight Trump.

[MFM008]

6. I will support

All leaders of this resistance.

[Equinox Moon]

8. Me too.

I was thinking maybe there needs to be a national call to HRC that she is needed to help lead the resistance.

[NWCorona]

16. This is the most important thing

[Eleanors38]

49. This sounds good.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. Here, here!

[DaleFromWPB]

9. She deserves a nice vacation ...

Sun, books, time with her family and rest.

Then I'd like to see her devote time and energy towards getting ID's for voters and passing anti-gerrymandering laws in all fifty states.

I'd like to see her do fund-raisers for upcoming Democrats to build a farm system that will pay off in 8-12 years.

I'd like to see her put her foundation's name on under served urban community centers where life skills can be learned and voters registered.

I'd like to see her introduce the Democratic nominee at the 2019 convention.

Way too much knowledge, skill, and talent to 'put out to pasture'.

[Equinox Moon]

12. Yep, I understand the vacation part.

What do you mean by "getting ID's for voters"?

Voters don't need ID. The states with those ridiculous laws, need to be overturned. I would support that.

[milestogo]

18. Those ridiculous laws are contagious

and they will not be overturned as long as Repukes dominate the state legislatures.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

59. As long as those oppressive laws are on the books, it would be wise to maximize compliance with them.

If that's something that interests Hillary, wonderful, I say go for it or whatever other issues strike her fancy to work on... as long as her pet issues don't undercut those raised by the progressive populism that is overtaking the grassroots of this country. For example, wrongly advocating for TPP, as she did as SoS, would be a non-starter with me and many like minded folks.

In any case, look forward to hearing from Hillary when she's ready.

[lapucelle]

63. Several dozen of us from various NY Democratic organizations traveled by bus to PA

on weekends in September and early October to re-register Democrats who were likely thrown off the rolls due to not having voted in recent years. This kind of action needs to continue.

I would also encourage any unaffiliated NY voter to declare party affiliation so as not to be closed out of future primaries.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

66. Tip of the hat to commend you for your efforts... now that's dedication to the cause!

[DaleFromWPB]

21. Which is more likely to happen in the next 90 days?

Overturn a law in a red state or have some tech savvy young person with resources get them a ID?

Overturn the laws - great long-term goal

Get people an ID that will help them in other ways and make them appreciate the people and party that helped them - AWESOME short term goal.

This not only builds voter loyalty but give a lot of motivated young people a way to make a meaningful contribution and stay involved in off years

I see it as a choice between actually doing something useful and baying at the moon.

[Hekate]

17. The Clinton foundations already do work in the US. You might look it up.

Hillary will not lack for places to expend her energy.

[Madam45for2923]

37. I like your list and agree:Way too much knowledge, skill, and talent to 'put out to pasture'.

Thanks!

[BigDemVoter]

10. HRC can be the wise stateswoman that she is.

Her opinion and advice will always be valuable, but IMHO we need new blood. Bernie is too old too. So is Elizabeth Warren. So is Joe Biden. I love them all, but we need YOUNGER people to lead now.

[Equinox Moon]

11. I don't see it as an either/or

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We need both our seasoned leaders and new (younger) ones.

[nini]

15. What I expect.. Obama will lead the charge

Obama will be a major force in leading the party since he is the best at organizing and motivating. Hillary, Bernie, Warren, Booker, etc etc etc. must make a coalition to work TOGETHER so the rest of us get together.

[cwydro]

46. I doubt it. nt

[riversedge]

54. Obama will be focused on the gerrymandering issue.

[nini]

56. That's definitely part of the picture

and a biggie for sure.

[Equinox Moon]

62. Yes, and the Electoral College

I heard Eric Holder talking recently say he and Prez O would be working on these two issues. Gerrymandering and EC being abolished.

[SidDithers]

19. No...nt

Sid

[Ohioblue22]

20. after what the dems did to her she ought to say fuck you all

the dems humiliated her.

[Takket]

41. please explain

[Ohioblue22]

88. Registered Voters Who Stayed Home Probably Cost Clinton The Election

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512673992

[TubbersUK]

79. In what way did they humiliate her ? n/t

[Ohioblue22]

89. they stayed home and let her get beat by the most unqualified candidate, after all the years she

worked for the dems . they did what they always do they dont get their way they stay home
now we lost the scotus for another generation . i guess the dems WERENT tired of losing everything due to scotus


http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512673992

[UTUSN]

22. Us/Democratic-members are not "Hillary/Barack/whomever"-supporters. We believe in the

Democratic AGENDA - human rights, civil rights, social justice, stewardship of the planet, civil liberties. We are not idolators. So all Democratic members and leaders will always work and come forward forever and whenever.

OTHERWISE, everybody should be LEFT ALONE!1

[JI7]

24. she will do it in her own way and time. she is a private figure now

and there is the clinton foundation which has done a lot of good and will continue to do it.

[gulliver]

25. Sure

Get her on Twitter. Every time Trump screws up Hillary should speak up. We're in a different world now. What's Trump going to say, that Hillary isn't living by political norms?

[Lotusflower70]

26. No

It's time for her to move on. The Democratic party needs change.

[Chemisse]

27. I wouldn't blame her if she retired from all public life.

But I hope she comes back, when she is ready, and helps the resistance.

[stevenleser]

28. No. For two reasons.

#1 - I don't want Republicans to be able to frame any of Trump's failures against some fake version of Hillary being somehow worse. His failures need to own the spotlight all by themselves.

#2 - She obviously made some folks on the Liberal/Democratic side of the house lose their minds. I'd like to see that go away too.

[kennetha]

30. Yes.

Do not do an Al Gore and fade into the night. He really let us down. He could have lead the charge against Bush's usurpation of the Presidency, his insane policies, his pointless Iraq misadventure.

But he surrendered the high ground.

If we're EVER to rid ourselves of the insane electoral college, then a candidate who has been denied the presidency by it, despite being the choice of the people, needs to stand up and be heard, and mobilize the people who were robbed of the president who is endorsed by the popular will.

Think of how the Republicans would proceed if the shoe were on the other foot. They would fight like hell for what they believed was rightfully theirs. We have to do the same.

This isn't time for normal politics. This is political warfare.

[karynnj]

83. Gore did not surrender the high ground, he took the high ground

After the Supreme Court ruled, he went away for a year both because he needed to heal himself and he probably thought to let the nation heal. You can not appeal the Supreme Court. Even then, he actively found a different way to leat on climate change.

One thing the party itself needs to work on AT ALL LEVELS is repairing our election system. That cannot be done by a Presidential candidate working 24/7 to win the support of the country. As long as there are huge differences in how difficult it is to vote, we will in any close election feel cheated.

There was an effort after 2000, but some say that legislation hurt as well as helped. The issue was raised, but nothing done other that Senate speeches when the Rosa Parks voting bill was extended. There was reluctance among centrist Democrats to concede that 2004 would have been won without voter suppression in Ohio. Unlike 2000, there was huge momentum to move on to 2008, especially as it soon became evident that would be a Democratic year. Among those same Democrats, there was an effort to deny Kerry any role going forward as a party leader.

If Gore, Kerry, and/or HRC lost because voters had their votes lost to ballots designed to confuse, chicanery or voter suppression, they are in very awkward places as far as leading thus - as the other side will call them deluded by their own view that they were winning and sour grapes.

[hrmjustin]

31. I love Hillary but her time running for office is done.

It is time for others to lead this movement.

I am forever grateful for Hillary Clinton's service to my state and our country.

[kennetha]

47. Don't count her out.

She is an enormous asset. She got nearly 66 million votes. Only Barack Obama has ever gotten more. She beat Trump by about the margin that Bush beat Kerry. Only the quirks of the electoral college prevented her from becoming president, even with all the tail winds against her -- third term of the same party, relentlessly negative coverage, Russian hacking, FBI interference. She is the most admired women in America. She is full of grace and class and intelligence, experience. Hard to match. And she has learned her lessons the hard way, gotten up and kept going. And now a younger generation of voters have seen her up close. Her's would be an amazing story in 2020.

I doubt she will go for it. But there is a VERY compelling narrative that can be attached to her running again for would by some measure be a term that would rightfully be her second.

It would also give America the opportunity to correct what will more obviously be a mistake.

If I were her, and I believed that I would be the best president (even if not the best candidate) I would spend the next couple of years speaking up for democrats and democratic priorities with grace and clarity and intelligence -- without needing to be in the day to day fray.

[HoneyBadger]

53. She could run the DNC

Full time job, lots of contacts and fundraising, one of the most important jobs in the country going into the midterms

[spin]

32. Perhaps it's time for the Clintons to leave the stage. ...

Of course there still is Chelsea Clinton.

Chelsea Clinton Is Reportedly Gearing Up for a Congressional Run
By Adam K. Raymond
November 11, 2016
12:19 p.m.

Just when you thought the Clinton family’s time in electoral politics had reached an end, the New York Post has a report today that says Chelsea Clinton is being “groomed” for a congressional run. The seat Clinton is reportedly eyeing is currently occupied by Democrat Nita Lowey, who was just reelected for her 14th term representing New York’s 17th Congressional District in Westchester County.

The Post’s source says Clinton, who lives in Manhattan but is expected to move into a home next door to her parents’ Chappaqua residence, will run for the seat when Lowey retires.

“While it is true the Clintons need some time to regroup after Hillary’s crushing loss, they will not give up. Chelsea would be the next extension of the Clinton brand. In the past few years, she has taken a very visible role in the Clinton Foundation and on the campaign trail. While politics isn’t the life Hillary wanted for Chelsea, she chose to go on the campaign trail for her mother and has turned out to be very poised, articulate and comfortable with the visibility.”

This isn’t the first time Clinton’s name has come up in connection to Lowey’s seat. Five years ago, New Rochelle Talk reported that Chelsea Clinton was planning to run upon Lowey’s expected retirement in 2012. Two terms later, the 79-year-old shows no sign of slowing down.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/chelsea-clinton-reportedly-planning-a-congressional-run.html

[applegrove]

33. I'd like to hear her speak freely. But it may be too soon. But she is a

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big asset into the future. We have a lot to discuss.

[Madam45for2923]

38. I can't wait to see what she will do next! She is a smart person w unique perspectives.

I want her to have an awesome vacation at first.

I love this woman!!

[Takket]

42. No

Hillary speaking out now serves only Trump. It allows them to set the narrative that she is trying to "undermine" Trump so they can deflect all the attention of the Deplorables back onto her (any many of them STILL have not even left!)

No, we are stuck with Trump, and the only hope this country has is to make sure we see no other face than his as we fall into the abyss.

The people who should be most vocal right now are those who are paid to be (our elected leaders in Congress)

[Equinox Moon]

64. What if, she helped lead the resistance

by calling the people to action?

[Takket]

74. i'm going to do something people rarely do.....

i'm changing my mind. in light of the fact Trump is welcoming the clinton's to observe the "peaceful transition of power" my reasons for not wanting her to come back are not valid. If Trump accepts her in the public eye for the inauguration then they have no standing to use her further presence in the public eye to claim she is trying to undermine anything.

[Equinox Moon]

75. Okay.

I think it all depends on how she does it.

I want the public to call her to action. To call her to make a public call to rally to save our health care.
That is not in opposition to trump, it is not undermining. It is a call to action for a public social program.

[kennetha]

45. She should CONSIDER the POSSIBILITY of running in 2020

Not saying she should definitely do it. Not saying we should nominate her. Just saying she should consider running for the term that would rightfully be her second term.

[Warren DeMontague]

60. No.

We need to move on, and we need the bench to be bigger, younger, and more geographically diverse.

I think it's time to close the book on the Clinton dynasty, personally. Let them enjoy their retirement.

[mcar]

65. No. Ditto for Sanders and Warren

I love Hillary and hope Sanders and Warren kick ass in the Senate. But, I think their time to run for POTUS has passed.

The Dems have a deep bench.

[liquid diamond]

50. No. She should just enjoy her family and final years in the world.

She spent most of her life fighting for average citizens and they shit on her numerous times. The ultimate insult was electing the worst candidate in history over her. Fuck this country. Let her rest.

[metroins]

52. Yes

I'm a little upset at how quiet she has been.

I would have liked to see her take the leading role, but she has not. I'm not a Sanders supporter by any means, but I question who I backed in the primaries because he's been more vocal than Hillary after the election.

I understand she ran a campaign and a rest is nice, but that's not what the country needs. She's acting too dignified when it's currently a street fight.

I'd have loved it if she took a very very lead role right now.

[Equinox Moon]

61. Thank you.

I appreciate your comments.

I think the public needs to invite her to help lead the resistance, as well as other leaders. We need all the help we can get.

[coco22]

55. Is Hillary suppose to be the leader of Democrats

I dont think so she can play a part just like anyone else but,we need to move on and create other leaders in different areas. I believe republicons or Trump supporters want us to keep talking about the election.

I usually don't click on these posts but now they are getting annoying and irritating.Sounds like Spicer and Conway.

[kennetha]

69. She is larger than the democratic party

She has the mandate of the people behind her. She must not surrender that.

[coco22]

72. Quit living in the past..

We need youngblood and new ideas from young and old.

[Fla Dem]

67. No. Not only does she need the time to decompress, but any public attention she might draw to

herself would be analyzed 20 ways to Sunday. She will be called a poor loser, a meddler, a has been. The press would question her motives. They would focus on her like a laser beam and ignore any Trump atrocities.

She is not an elected official. She is a private citizen. We have enough elected officials that should be leading the offensive. Let them speak out and be in the spotlight. She has given enough.

[kennetha]

68. A prominent and trusted private citizen who received 66 million votes isn't just another politician

That is a powerful platform. Gore should have used his after the fiasco of 2000.

After a break, Clinton should use hers. She is larger than the party, in a sense, she was the choice of the people at large and can speak on behalf of the people at large, with greater legitimacy than can Trump.

This is how we begin to undermine the electoral college. Trump has formal legitimacy, but not popular legitimacy.

We must not surrender that distinction. The choice of the people must not merely skulk away, afraid to speak up, for fear of ... what exactly?

[Equinox Moon]

71. I appreciate the discussion of this thread

I am learning aspects I had not thought of.

It did not occur to me that if Hillary came forward to help lead "the people", (not the Dem Party) in the resistance against the GOP and bullyman, that there is risk she would become the focus of attack. That may very well be, but we won't know unless she tries.

I wish she would come forward to support the 'National Rally Call' to save health care. She could use her power to invite the public to fight for their own health care and for future generations.

[TheFrenchRazor]

70. she and bill ought to work to get rid of the EC and secure our elections. nt

[kennetha]

73. yes, this would be VERY powerful.

Especially if she foreswore any further ambition for public office, but lead the fight, not as a candidate for office, not as a democrat, but as a highly preeminent citizen, devoted to bringing a true Democracy to our politics.

[SylviaD]

78. HRC deserves to lead. She should lead.

She should be president, in fact.

[donco]

80. NO!

we need someone new.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

81. Hillary supporters are the majority of the Democratic Party

It's why she won 4 million votes over her opponent

A better question is what do democrats want from her and what does she want to do

[democratisphere]

82. Lead, Yes. HRC, Obama, Schumer and Pelosi need to

lead US through the minefield.

[mulsh]

90. I want her to take a well deserved vacation, relax, play with the grand children, walk the dogs,

hang out with Bill. I think she's done enough for the country. I'll vote for in hearbeat if I ever get the chance. But she's been going full pore since she was a kid. I hope she learns how to slow down and enjoy it. From what I know about similar people that probably won't happen.

What ever happens I wish her well and for what its worth she'll always have my support.

[rbrnmw]

91. leave her be for a bit

she will speak when and if she feels like it. she doesn't owe us a damn thing we failed her.

[ConnorMarc]

92. I Was A Hillary Supporter

She even was my Senator during that time period.

However, I think now, her time is over.

She'll always be a somewhat influential Democrat Party leader, but it's time we raise up some new blood now.

Let's move forward folks...seriously.