Man alleges ageism after getting banned from Starbucks for asking teen barista on date

[SecularMotion]

SPOKANE, Wash. — A 37-year-old man says he was banned from a Starbucks in Washington state after asking a 16-year-old barista out to dinner, CBS Spokane affiliate KREM reports.

The man, who was not identified by KREM since he has not been charged with a crime, said he was at Starbucks in Spokane last week and wrote a note asking out a barista.

“I was flirted with by a barista. For some reason she thought I was funny. Said I was funny. So I gave her a note to see if she’d be interested in dinner,” the man wrote in a Facebook post.

He said that when he went back the next day, a police officer told him he was banned from the Starbucks.

http://wreg.com/2017/01/01/man-alleges-ageism-after-getting-banned-from-starbucks-for-asking-teen-barista-on-date/

[TXCritter]

1. "Im tired of hearing the word creep as any black person or gay person...

If the shoe fits...?

I’m tired of hearing the word ‘creep’ as any black person or gay person is tired of hearing certain words. I have a whole webpage dedicated to age gap love.

Dude, you asked for it.

[mercuryblues]

23. He is a creep

He is a sicko. Who wants to bet he is a breitbart fan?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=427096154347492&set=p.427096154347492&type=3

[lunasun]

29. Very creepy just check out links on post 9 &15 below

[bettyellen]

56. Nope, Sanders fan. But obviously not a well man.

[GreenEyedLefty]

2. My oldest daughter and I have talked about situations like this.

How being "nice" is often interpreted as being flirty or interested, so it doesn't pay to be "nice." Polite, cordial, civil? Absolutely, but with thick boundaries.

[Kber]

42. 100%

[Buckeye_Democrat]

55. It happens both ways.

I felt insulted by a very elderly woman who snapped at me that she was married when I complimented her perfume while standing in line at a bank years ago (when I was about 20 years old).

The absolute worst experience was me complimenting a housekeeper when I worked at a hotel. She was married and had about 5 kids (Catholic). She asked about my recent divorce (from a woman who cheated on me), and I later said that I wished I'd married someone as nice and faithful as her. It wasn't flirtatious at all! I was trying to compliment her apparent devotion to her husband and children.

Long story short, a nightmare developed over the next few weeks that culminated with her asking me to run off with her back to Portland OR (where her parents resided)! She was going to leave her husband and all of the kids behind! I had previously turned her away with "kid gloves" to spare her feelings, suggesting that she seek marriage counseling and the like, but I finally screamed that her behavior was very disturbing to me, making me even MORE distrustful of women and how I would never be with someone like her! Stay the hell away from me forever! That finally did the trick!

It's more dangerous for women/girls overall, though. It's not like I thought the kooky housekeeper was going to rape me!

[guillaumeb]

3. 37 and 16 might have worked in the fantasy movie in this man's head,

but a 37 year old man asking a 16 year old girl out is disgusting.

[sheshe2]

76. +1000

[guillaumeb]

85. Pedophilia is never acceptable. And it would be rape as well. eom

[sheshe2]

87. Correct

[Goblinmonger]

89. It's not pedophilia. It's gross. And it's likely statutory rape (depending on state law).

But it's not pedophilia. She is not pre-pubescent.

[Maru Kitteh]

93. No, but he does appear to be tinkering with the line here

Apparently, he frequents atheist forums and calls himself a liberal and a Sanders supporter. Much to the discomfort of all, understandably.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2016/12/29/spokane-washingtons-most-single-man/





Dude NEEDS to get back on his meds. Some persons with bi-polar can manage kind of okay without. This is not one of those people.

[wellst0nev0ter]

78. Not if you're Trump

Well, relatively speaking, of course (seriously, how old was Melanoma when Drumpf was 37?)

[former9thward]

84. Trump was 60 and Melania was 35 when they married.

A not untypical age range with wealthy males. The same age range of Teddy Kennedy and his wife Victoria (60 -37)

[Tanuki]

128. WTF? Are you implying Victoria Reggie, who was a summa cum laude graduate of Tulane Law School

and had a successful career (already a partner at her DC law firm) when they got together, was just looking for a "wealthy man", and is just another Melania -style gold digger? Reggie came from a wealthy and politically connected family and her parents and the Kennedys had known each other for decades. She is a person of tremendous strength, talent, and accomplishment and is widely credited for providing the support and stability that led to a focused and productive era in Ted Kennedy's life and career. It is intolerable to dismiss her as an arm candy trophy wife. Not to mention the fact that there is a tremendous difference between approaching a professional woman in her 30s in a social setting, and a teenage barrista at her place of employment.

[former9thward]

134. I could cite many, many other examples.

But you would react in the same partisan defensive manner.

[Tanuki]

135. I would , huh? "Partisan"? I will admit that I get a bit suspicious when I once again see a

reflexive pivot to something negative about Ted Kennedy. That is depressingly common in certain...to use your term...."partisan" circles. Among Democrats, not so much.

[former9thward]

136. So nothing "negative" -- as you put--- it is allowed about Ted Kennedy.

It would be interesting to see what you would write if asked to provide a Wiki bio of Ted Kennedy. I suspect other editors would be needed...

BTW I did not intend my post to be anything negative about Kennedy. It is just a fact that divorced wealthy males tend to marry much younger when they are older. To make it something about Trump is just silly as anyone who witnesses the human condition would know.

[Tanuki]

138. I didn't say that, but comparing Ted Kennedy's marriage to

a successful professional woman who was then in her late thirties who traveled in his social and political circles, to some creep hitting on a 16-year-old stranger cornered behind the counter of her workplace, is quite a stretch. As for "making it something about Trump," you are the one who injected his name into the discussion, not I.

[former9thward]

139. Nope.

Post #78 made it about Trump. It was the only reason I made any comments at all in this thread.

[guillaumeb]

86. Melania at least was an adult. eom

[Orrex]

108. When Dennis Kucinich was 37, his then-future wife was 6

[ProfessorGAC]

105. Or 77 and 56!

But, this guy really needs to check himself.

[Dorian Gray]

123. If you check out his FB page

he obviously looks to be mentally disturbed. One of his posts talks of a homeless shelter while praying to be able to remain non-violent. So this man seems to have many more problems than being considered a creep. I truly do hope he seeks out mental health help and that nobody gets harmed in this situation more than they already have.

[guillaumeb]

130. Agreed. And his talk about the desirability of older male/young female

relationships is a bit strange as well.

[Dorian Gray]

132. It's totally creepy. I would be extraordinarily

uncomfortable with this man around me (and I'm way too old for him at 45!), let alone letting my daughter anywhere near him. He needs some major help, and his letter and actions were absolutely threatening to the 16 year old barista.

[Captain Stern]

4. If everything happened exactly the way he claims it did, I don't think he should have been banned.

However, based on the response by Starbucks, I think he might be leaving some things out. Here's their response:

“We have no tolerance for any such inappropriate behavior or harassment, and we will continue to support our store partners and local authorities investigating the situation.”

I don't think that they would consider a single note as "harassment". I'm guessing the guy did more than write a single note.

But, IF that's actually all he did, I don't think he should have been banned.

[Warren DeMontague]

14. I think the "I have a whole web page devoted to age gap love" thing is a bit of a red flag

if he's tired of hearing "creep" there may be a solid reason, most likely that he's being fucking creepy.

[pnwmom]

16. Your instinct is correct. I found the web page and posted it, #15. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

19. yes, nothing says stable and not-creepy like "I will kill myself with pills if teens won't date me"

serious

[xor]

91. This guy is pretty well known in the area and has a history of harassing people

He isn't mentally stable at all and reading his stuff really is enough to make me concerned. I'd also wager to say things didn't go how he described.

[MrPurple]

5. The key thing would be the wording of the note

The guy may be a perv for asking out someone that much younger, but 16 can sometimes look 21 and a polite, "you seem nice, would you like to grab a bite to eat some time" shouldn't involve the police and your being banned from a public place.

I'd suspect that the note isn't as benign as the man involved says and the girl feared being stalked. If not, it seems like an overreaction, but you can't judge it without knowing more details.

[Kber]

44. Solid point.

[Maru Kitteh]

92. Well here's a note he left for another young woman

The little one rambles on about how his telomarase makes him automatically a good husband with stronger children. Then he closes with "It has been a year. It has been 5 years since I've had sex. Why do I feel this need to be inside you?"

And then this from his FB page & website



and this



And here he is in his hospital gown. He should get back to that look. Quickly.

[Crunchy Frog]

96. Gosh, I wonder why he hasn't had sex in 5 years?

[liquid diamond]

6. The age of consent in Washington is 16.

[tonedevil]

22. It seems...

no consent was given.

[liquid diamond]

47. From what I've read

he just asked her out on a date by giving her a note. My post was in reference to people calling this guy a creep because he approached a 16 year old "girl". Nothing illegal about that if she is of the age of consent.

[DLevine]

51. Well, she's only 16, so I see nothing wrong with calling her a girl.

Starbucks has the legal right to ban someone they believe is harassing one of their employees. If you read this guy's rantings, you'll see how creepy he really is.

[liquid diamond]

59. Something tells me if she found this

guy attractive, this would be a non-story.

[EllieBC]

70. A neurotypical 37 year old male with no mental heath issues would NOT ask a

a teen girl on a date. Men who try to date teen girls 20 years younger tend to be creepy virgin hunters.

[tenderfoot]

73. But it is a story isn't it.

Your concern for the barista's personal space and comfort has been duly noted.

[Maru Kitteh]

115. Totally misread your post! You're right, and unfortunately I think it would have been a story

with a potentially MUCH darker outcome if the Barista had, out of naivete or curiosity agreed to meet him somewhere.

From his website:

You owe me, age gappers on Spokane! YOU OWE ME SOME KIND OF LOVE. Red Robin. Female company. That would be the BAREST amount of love you would owe me for even using this website to spell out your case while you women ignore me for some other guy.
---
I hope your immune system can take babies with diarrhea because I have no kids and am open to being called Daddy. Your choice. I'm available. I will take that risk if that's what you need me to do because I can't even look at kids or beautiful women without crying anymore. You've taken everything away from me with your hate.
--
Women under 26 are the most fertile. They also produce the most progesterone, which makes men healthier. I also want some female company for once in 5 years. Quit stealing from me!
---
I won't take no for an answer. Just trust me. I'm not the monster here. I never was. You have no proof other than than testimony of bigots. I never will be the evil you profess I am. Delusions such as these make your mind look rather lacking as I've deftly explained of your chromosomes. You're the sociopaths. You're the creeps. Not me.

[Orrex]

121. Holy shit

Previously my casual Googling did not find this grotesque creature, but now that you've posted a longer excerpt I was able to get right to his page. Alerting, because now I'm going to spend the rest of the day vomiting quietly in the corner.

If I'd stumbled upon that page without knowing the current story, I'd have concluded that it was a parody site, because who could believe it? WTF is with this "you owe me" bullshit?


Honestly, what millennial woman could possibly resist his boundless charm?



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[Maru Kitteh]

74. What made this a story, is that the guy is DEFCON 1 creepy.

[Crunchy Frog]

97. Sounds like MRA talk.

Men who think they're victims of a hate crime if a "hot" woman or girl turns them down.

[liquid diamond]

111. Magnetic resonance angiogram?

Those are the top results on Google.

[Ilsa]

119. Men's rights something. NT

[snooper2]

110. If you had read the whole thread you would see the guy needs a shrink- badly

[scscholar]

61. But asking girls out that don't want to be, is immoral (NTXT)

[LanternWaste]

101. No doubt, your bias forces you to inaccurately perceive it as such.

No doubt, your bias forces you to inaccurately perceive it as such.

[pnwmom]

90. He is a creep because he thinks he is entitled to sex with millennials.

Read his Facebook page and his blog. He IS a creep.

[Dorian Gray]

124. The note ended with

"Why do I feel the need to be inside you."

The man is homeless, mentally ill, and publicly praying to not be violent. I can absolutely see why this would be threatening to a 16 year old girl. It would be threatening to me, a 45 year old woman.

[ManiacJoe]

79. In WA state, 16 is legal with restrictions.

For 16-17 year olds, the adult must be less than four years older.

The purpose of this restriction is to allow the underclassman to continue dating the upperclassman when the older one becomes an adult at 18 while still in school.

[RedWedge]

7. This guy's well-known in Spokane and is an utter creep who thinks he's entitled to women's bodies.

Google around; this isn't a story of "PC CULTURE GONE WRONG."

[GreenEyedLefty]

12. I did and need a "Silkwood shower" now

Gah, what a creep.

[RedWedge]

18. He needs professional help. He's got a lot of anger and confusion.

[MineralMan]

8. It's probably not as simple as it seems, I imagine.

I've been 37, but it was a long time ago. I can't imagine asking anyone that age or even near it for a date when I was 37. I suspect the guy was imagining that she was flirting with him. Probably, she was just friendly and he mistook it for something else. Even if she had been flirtatious, it was clearly out of place for him to suggest a date.

Too much age difference there, I think. Even if she was in her early 20s. I know that such relationships do start, sometimes, but they're out of balance and rarely amount to anything. They're usually exploitative on the part of the man, frankly.

Men should know better than that. They really should. It's inappropriate.

Edit to add: Well, I've been to this guy's website. He's a serious wackadoo. Dangerous, in fact. The young barista was right to pass that note on to her manager. And the management was right in banning him from the place. There's a website link for the man downthread. I read it. He's a weirdo.

[pnwmom]

10. The man is a mentally ill stalker, based on his writings.

See my post #9, below.

[MineralMan]

13. Thanks. I did. He's a weirdo.

Keep him away from others, please. He could be dangerous.

[forgotmylogin]

66. Even if she was in for it and it was all innocent...

she may have googled him (as people do nowadays) before accepting and ran across that webpage. If so, good for her.

[LanternWaste]

102. I'd imagine it's simpler than it it seems.

I'd imagine it's simpler than it it seems.

[dionysus]

126. Yeah... dude is simply a sick fucker...

[pnwmom]

9. He is a real threat. There's lots more information on this International Sceptics page,

including a link to the man's webpage.

Based on his writings, I'm sure his behavior to the Barista justified his expulsion.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11650878#post11650878

[MineralMan]

11. Yup. He's a weirdo. Clearly, from his webpage.

Story over.

[pnwmom]

15. His name is Lucas Werner and here is his public Facebook page.

He hates millennials for not being willing to date him.

https://www.facebook.com/olympiaatheist?fref=ts

Here is his website, which is even more enlightening. http://conversationrage.weebly.com

[AngryAmish]

17. That guy is nuts.

[sarah FAILIN]

30. WOW! That guy will wind up killing someone

There are threats all through that crap and the pic where it says to click here if you want to live... that takes you to a contact info link. Last thing anyone should do.

SUPER scary guy.

[ElkeH]

58. Another Elliot Rodger in the making eom

[tenderfoot]

48. According to him: The age of consent is 16. Creepy? That implies that liberals CAN be bigots.

Liberals are people who change their minds based on new evidence. Bigots are people who hate an entire group of people. The age of consent is 16. Creepy? That implies that liberals CAN be bigots. You're not a true liberal if you're a bigot.


https://www.facebook.com/olympiaatheist/posts/10209621885356271?pnref=story

[kcr]

63. There's already someone here posting just like that right in this thread.

They're everywhere, unfortunately.

[tenderfoot]

64. they sure are...

and liberal in a "not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms" kind of way as opposed to "associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives".

[sarah FAILIN]

69. Sadly, AOC actually is 16 in most states

At least the ones I've checked. Not a great idea, but I guess you can't make them wear a chastity belt. There would be lots more sex offenders if it were raised imo. Kids today aren't like we were when I was growing up. I blame social media in that they are over exposed to so much that things that would have made me blush is common to them.
This guy seems like a future serial rapist/killer..

[tenderfoot]

72. I'm glad so many empathize with the 16 year old's discomfort...

of having a gross asshole hit on her at work.

She could have just said no without making such a big deal over it.

I swear, some of the responses to this... wtf????

[sarah FAILIN]

75. I totally empathize

The poor kid is probably on her first job, trying to keep her boss happy by not being rude and this jerk takes it as an invitation to solicit her. He is a pig. He takes the fact that she is legal age as having a target on her vagina.

Little secret for him, she laughs at his "jokes" because she has to be nice and also because he is a joke.

I'm 49. I have to work in the same building with someone that sexually harassed me once. I reported it and was not believed. If I as a mature woman feel uncomfortable having to walk near this person occasionally, I'm sure this kid is scared out of her mind considering how weird this guy is.

[Maru Kitteh]

82. Fuck the misogynistic attitude that would silence this young woman

and have her "not make a big deal" out of the predatory advances of a DEFCON 1 fucking creepy-assed slimeball.

SHE DID WHAT SHE FELT SHE NEEDED TO DO IN ORDER TO BE SAFE FROM THIS ASSHOLE CREEPER - as anyone who feels threatened SHOULD do.





This misogynistic idea the women and girls should be nice and sweet to their would-be attackers and just politely say "no" and "not make such a big deal over it" is a puke-inducing sentiment indeed. Reminds me of the Warren Jeffs cult.

[Orrex]

109. :puke: for that graphic

And why is that bizarro message emblazoned across a platter of burger & fries?

[Maru Kitteh]

113. He's obsessed with food, says he lost 175 lbs, probably when he went off his meds

His FB is plastered with seriously disgusting plates of food. I'm sure Spokane must have better offerings, but who knows how many places he's been kicked out of.

[Orrex]

114. Oh, wait a minute....

Did he create that graphic? Double puke!

I'm at work, so I wasn't able to Google him or to page through his previous writings.

If he actually put that graphic together, that brings him closer to Woody Allen levels of creepiness.

[Warren DeMontague]

95. Well, lets be real. 16 year olds having sex with other 16 year olds is not exactly new.

I certainly was doing it at that age, and this was well before social media. And we were all supposed to be "just saying no", back then.

Lol. Right.

There's a pretty big difference between high schoolers having sex with each other- which has been a reality forever- and a 37 year old creeping on a 16yo.

[sarah FAILIN]

98. with same age peers is what I was meaning

We had 1 kid in high school that was 17 that was having sex with a 14 or 15 yr old. Sex offender status started in high school. The kids just do not realize the implications of what they're doing at that age. Older guys with this goal see it as a green light.

You would not BELIEVE the things that are said between these kids on SM and text. I think it has made it normalized. Sure, every teen is at that place and experimenting, but now it is like they are shopping at the "mall" of partners where back in the day, our choices of partners were much more limited.

[Warren DeMontague]

99. I dont know. Sure, I'd love to believe I was especially popular with the ladies, back in the day

But ... if memory serves, we were all having a lot of sex. And smoking a lot of crappy weed.

Probably the main difference now is, the weed is better, and there's something of an electronic/texting trail of the activities which for us were confined to "backrooms, alleys, or trusty woods", to rip off a Bob Seeger song. I could be wrong, but I do know that every generation hits a certain age and is predictably horrified by "kids today", like clockwork.

And no way should two high schoolers who have sex with each other be guilty of anything save perhaps poor judgment. That is a terrible misapplication of the law, assuming everything is consensual.

[DanTex]

106. One thing that is definitely different is that everyone today is walking around with a smartphone.

That has a camera in it. And is hooked up to the internet. I seriously don't know how anyone makes it through college these days without their whole future career being ruined by facebook pictures of them doing stupid drunk things.

[sarah FAILIN]

107. There was a kid I'm my daughters class in middle school getting nudes..

He then would forward these nudes to all the other guys. The principal found out and there wasn't a lot that they could really do in their heads to a kid that young. All the school got a stern lecture on proper phone use and I think that was it. The principal outlawed phones because he was afraid someone would sneak a toilet pic of someone and send it across the school or post it on myspace. The beginning of this age was scary.

Editing to add this was all middle school kids. The principal was afraid he was going to get jailed for not reporting child pornography which technically this was, even though it was being swapped among kids

[MrPurple]

116. If AOC was above 16, high school students dating each other could be statutory rapists

[sarah FAILIN]

118. That's what I meant about having more sex offenders

Kids more or less the same age shouldn't get on a sex offenders registry

[Docreed2003]

50. Yuck...first his diatribe states women over 26 will be blocked...

Then he says:

I won't give up until I'm satisfied

This guys is a predator and his page clearly shows that...disgusting.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

53. Greaaaat... he has strong liberal views according to his FB "Favorites."

Oh, well. It's not like attraction to teens is part of the Democratic platform!

[tenderfoot]

57. "liberal views" much like those defending him here...

liberal in a fast and loose kind of way.

[MrPurple]

117. Crazy crosses the political spectrum

[Ilsa]

62. This quote:

Your telomeres are attrited from the drop off of fathers over 35 years old from the paternal aging effect myth of 1912 that reversed in 2012.

WTF?

And then he states that fathers over 35 provide the strongest DNA. Wrong again. Children are susceptible to paternal age related congenital problems just like they are from aging mothers.

[MrPurple]

120. He's schizophrenic

I read the "essay" on his website now. The way he's mixing in scientific concepts in ways that don't make sense, history about the middle ages, not understanding how rambling and crazy it would come across to virtually everyone - that's schizophrenia or psychosis. It's not really his fault, but he seems like a ticking time bomb.

[Ilsa]

125. Thanks. That makes more sense than anything.

I wish he'd get help.

[TexasBushwhacker]

133. If you read further into his "manifesto" he says he's bipolar

and off his meds. He could also have schizoaffective disorder which combines traits of mood disorders and schizophrenia.

He also says he's back in an apartment after being homeless.

[oberliner]

20. Does this qualify as fake news?

Or is there a separate category for this kind of thing?

[pnwmom]

25. No. It's a news report about a malicious person who got banned from Starbucks. n/t

[oberliner]

38. That's not how it's presented in the article

In fact, other random people had to do actual reporting in order to get information about this guy that does not appear in the article.

[pnwmom]

40. The article presented two sides. That doesn't make it fake news.

And they didn't use his name because there were no criminal charges.

[oberliner]

43. No it doesn't

The article gives no explanation whatsoever of what this person did that might be considered harassment. The only quote appears to be from the person's Facebook page and a corporate representative. Not sure how this qualifies as news or journalism. Seems like just a click bait headline/story with little to no reporting behind it. Like a Buzzfeed type of thing.

[pnwmom]

45. It gives plenty of "indication." He wrote a note that Starbucks considered

to be harassment. And the man's quotes themselves are self-incriminating.

Why is this a story? Spokane isn't that large a city -- only a couple hundred thousand, including a university. People don't get banned from Starbucks there every day.

[ismnotwasm]

21. These guys don't understand how young women see them

"Creep" one of the nicer ways to describe him. It's not that age gap relationships don't exist, and exist successfully, but this dude is focused on young woman--probably thinks he's doing them a favor because in his mind, he knows how to "treat" women. Until he, you know, doesn't.

What a whiny creep to boot.

[Warren DeMontague]

24. There's something clearly wrong with this individual.

Having had my share of jobs dealing with the public in my youth, I have no doubt that the Starbucks people were pushed well past the point of anything resembling reasonableness before they did this.

And as for the barista in question- "she thought I was funny". Right, like how an overflowing toilet can be funny.

[ismnotwasm]

28. I have a bad habit of reading Reddits "let's not meet forum"

Tons of stories like this, from all over the world--and you are exactly right. She has a job, and part of her job is to be pleasant to customers. This guy thinks it's all about him. Ick.

[Warren DeMontague]

36. Oh, I bet. After years at a funky retail gig, I developed a math formula:

Something like 70% of the customer base- they're just there to get whatever it is, their latte or whatnot- all business, they're in, they're out, they pay, not terribly noteworthy either way.

Maybe 20% are super fucking cool, cool enough that maybe you become friends outside of the establishment, grab drinks after work, that kind of thing.

But that last 10%... ...

That's what will grind you down, after enough time. Kill your spirit. Turn you into someone who hates the human animal, in general.

And I was just an amicable if oft-hungover young dude. That's not even factoring in this other shit. Sure, sometimes women- or men- would hit on me, but it wasn't like the sorts of crap that any attractive young females would have to put up with.

Until the end of my days I will have extra sympathy for anyone having to deal with the public in their day to day- and beyond that, of course it's incumbent upon people to understand that the service "relationship" is just that; not to say that there NEVER develops anything beyond that, but--- just because the young woman who gives you your latte or scans your groceries smiles at you, doesn't mean she *likes* you, dork.

[pnwmom]

26. If you read his writings, he has a deranged sense of entitlement

to millennial love that he backs up with his beliefs that older men's sperm is better.

[Warren DeMontague]

27. tell him that Larry Craig may still be available, then

C'mon, buddy, think about your health!

[ismnotwasm]

31. Yeah-- what he is doing is fetishizing young woman

And trying to justify it. He's actually alarming.

[pnwmom]

32. He IS alarming -- and gross. There's a good reason he hasn't dated in 5 years. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

37. Yeah, looking at the FB page I'm inclined to agree

he seems like a real bad set of headlines waiting to happen.

[cwydro]

112. Yeah, he definitely has that Eliot Rodger thing going on.

I hope the police keep an eye on him.

[Iggo]

41. That's because they don't see them as people. They see them as prey.

They see them as the prize at the end of a successful hunt.

They are deluded, deranged, and dangerous.

[LittleBlue]

49. It works more often than most would think. Creeps like this play the numbers game

One of my best friends dated a mother who got pregnant as a teen, married the dude shotgun style, then divorced and turned her life around by going to medical school. Her daughter should have felt loved, right? Unfortunately the "father" (read: sperm donor) moved across the country to avoid his child and she grew up without a father.

Fast forward 18 years and she just graduated high school and is living with a man in his early 40s. Literally fell for the first adult male who approached her at an all-ages club (and her mother thinks this started before 18). This isn't his first much younger girlfriend, it's happened before. She got fair enough grades and is in college though, so it's not all bad. At some point, hopefully she'll wake up and see this for what it is.

Point is, these guys play the numbers game. They'll approach 10 girls and 9 will rebuff them. They only need one.

[crazycatlady]

71. I'm glad Starbucks has her back

In my retail days, I was consistently being hit on by creepy older men. I was expected to serve them with a smile and be very sweet to them.

I eventually bought a $10 ring that looked like an engagement ring and if a guy hit on me I'd talk about wedding planning (I'm single AF but it worked).

[DonCoquixote]

33. look

all you are expected to get at a Starbucks restaurant is for them to make an attempt to get your drink right. It does not matter if the barista is 16 or 61, they are not expected nor obligated to respond to your attempt to get a date with them. Yes, ageism is a thing, and if they had insulted you because you are old or throw away your job application because your old, you might have a leg to stand on. Then again, and Trump swirled all of right to be fired states, they might not even know you that much. But never,, ever is a woman ever obligated to respond to your attempt to hit on her. I know the folks apply part might be working very hard to change this, but for every 16-year-old girl you think you have a right to hit on, there can be a mother with a shotgun, and a dad who knows a good lawyer. And even if neither mom nor dad are able to act, there will be someone who will see your age and the girls age and take steps appropriately.

Here's a hint, yes we know that Mr. Trump married a porn star who is young enough to be his daughter. However for what ever reason, Mrs. Trump accepted Donald's advances. Granted it can be fun to speculate as to what this woman found attractive about Donald. Personally I think it was because he possessed something that was rather large, and I am not talking about anything anatomical. The point is, if Donald tried to advance after Melania said no, he would be in a jail cell rather than in the White House.

Women have it hard enough in their jobs, especially 16-year-olds who have to start out at the low end of employment at work their way up to either making the best out of Starbucks or working towards whatever dream they have. They should not have to worry that they will be punished because old were middle-aged man wants to remain the same jerk they were in their 20s. Here's a newsflash, if you were an arrogant jerk that fought that you had a right to this girls affections when you're 20 chances are she probably would've rejected you too.

PS: how do you know that it wasn't the Starbucks manager that banned you? Maybe said manager realized that this became the place where 35-year-old man to hit on 16-year-old girls he or she might have lost customers. People go to Starbucks to relax and have coffee, if they wanted to go to a singles bar they know where to find a singles bar. do not forget that a lot of teenagers go to Starbucks because they cannot go to a singles bar, which we that if a Starbucks is known as the place were 35-year-olds else on 16-year-old girls, then mommy and daddy might not let their kids hang out at Starbucks, which means they lose money. The point is Starbucks had plenty of reason like any establishment does the ban you especially as you were in the act of trying to hit on their staff while they were doing their job.

The election of Trump has let all the dogs out of their cage.

[Initech]

34. Not only should that guy be banned but put on a sex offender watch list.

[canetoad]

46. And have a basement check every week

For trapdoors to hidden rooms, that kind of thing.

Have a look at the spoilers in post 1 of this thread for some of his social media posts.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/lucas-werner.17234/

[Initech]

60. Why am I suddenly reminded of "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo"?

[hunter]

35. Ugh. I had some experience with creepy adults when I was 16.

Both male and female.

I'll tell any kid, if it feels creepy it is creepy.

[TheBlackAdder]

39. A skeezy geezer!

[JI7]

52. she wasnt flirting with him. she was being nice as she would with any customer

[TimeChaser]

54. People who hit on service industry workers while on the clock are already pushing the creepy line

Yeah, corner me when I have no place to go and my job is at risk if I'm not nice to you...

[Mister Ed]

94. Thank you.

In my single days, my buddies and I always went by that rule. If she's working, you don't hit on her. Smile, laugh, be friendly toward her, that's fine. But we just plain wouldn't hit on a woman who was working.

[Orsino]

131. +1

Once you cross that line, I'd say the onus is on you to prove the interaction innocent.

[tammywammy]

65. The worst we ever had to deal with when I worked at Starbucks was the guy leaving religious tracts.

[MrPurple]

68. Hitting on a 16 y.o. at Starbucks - doesn't that come with a "Trump cup"?

[Maru Kitteh]

81. This one is carrying a Bernie cup.

He calls himself a liberal and a Bernie supporter, but clearly, he's just nutz. AND REALLY CREEEEPY.

[Little Tich]

77. I saw his website - this guy is really creepy. n/t

[Quackers]

83. Fucking psycho!

He is an immediate danger to his community and needs to be monitored. He even stated that if you bring a girl to his house and he likes her, then she's his. Toward the bottom of his manifesto he says he won't take No for an answer.

[xor]

88. I've read about this guy before and I know someone who "befriended" him as an experiment.

Even though they didn't mention his name in this article, I knew it was him as soon I read the "I have a website about this stuff"

This guy is so messed up. I had a couple interactions with him on facebook.

[Orrex]

100. What a cruel and selfish move by the barista

Didn't she stop for even one moment to consider that this publicity will make it much harder for him to find a young woman to dismember and bury in his basement?

[NightWatcher]

103. He'll have to go back to his old "can you help me get this chair in my van" move

I just hope she puts the lotion on her skin...

[alarimer]

104. If you keep getting called a creep, it's because you are a creep.

It is creepy for him to hit on a teenager.

[Dorian Gray]

122. If the creepy shoe fits.....

[TexasBushwhacker]

127. It seems his mother used to have a blog

about having a mentally ill son. Someone posted this link on his Facebook page. Apparently Lucas has mental illness.

http://web.archive.org/web/20130517073931/http://www.myrnamarie.net/

"I am a Mother. I am a Mother of a son with a mental illness. Some days I want to scream. Some days I want to cry. Some days I want to hit someone. Somedays I feel helpless and alone."

[MrScorpio]

129. Stranger Danger!

FDT.

[Oneironaut]

137. Ewww. I hate pervy weirdos.

However, it always seems worse when the pervy weirdo in question is harassing teenagers. Gross!