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morningfog

(18,115 posts)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 12:15 PM Jun 2012

Americans Are as Likely to Be Killed by Their Own Furniture as by Terrorism

Terrorist attacks killed 17 U.S. civilians last year and 15 the year before.

Today, the National Counter Terrorism Center (NCTC) released its 2011 Report on Terrorism. The report offers the U.S. government's best statistical analysis of terrorism trends through its Worldwide Incidents Tracking System (WITS), which compiles and vets open-source information about terrorism--defined by U.S. law as "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents."

Although I invite you to read the entire thirty-one page report, there are a few points worth highlighting that notably contrast with the conventional narrative of the terrorist threat:

"The total number of worldwide attacks in 2011, however, dropped by almost 12 percent from 2010 and nearly 29 percent from 2007." (9)

"Attacks by AQ and its affiliates increased by 8 percent from 2010 to 2011. A significant increase in attacks by al-Shabaab, from 401 in 2010 to 544 in 2011, offset a sharp decline in attacks by al-Qa'ida in Iraq (AQI) and a smaller decline in attacks by al-Qa'ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) and al-Qa'ida in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM)." (11)

"In cases where the religious affiliation of terrorism casualties could be determined, Muslims suffered between 82 and 97 percent of terrorism-related fatalities over the past five years." (14)

Of 978 terrorism-related kidnapping last year, only three hostages were private U.S. citizens, or .003 percent. A private citizen is defined as 'any U.S. citizen not acting in an official capacity on behalf of the U.S. government.' (13, 17)

Of the 13,288 people killed by terrorist attacks last year, seventeen were private U.S. citizens, or .001 percent. (17)


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/americans-are-as-likely-to-be-killed-by-their-own-furniture-as-by-terrorism/258156/
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Americans Are as Likely to Be Killed by Their Own Furniture as by Terrorism (Original Post) morningfog Jun 2012 OP
I suspect my bedroom dresser is out to get me LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #1
In related news: House Republicans pass bill declaring "War on Furniture". ( n/t ) Make7 Jun 2012 #2
Then why is Obama blowing them to smithereens? n/t B2G Jun 2012 #3
Whatever the MIC wants, the MIC gets, no matter who is pretending to be in office. Huey P. Long Jun 2012 #4
The MIC claims that it is responsible for the low numbers of Americans killed. Without their libinnyandia Jun 2012 #6
Snoopy warned us about this a long time ago. Wilms Jun 2012 #5
Thanks to the efforts of President Obama. dkf Jun 2012 #7
A largely imaginary threat built up on lies and propaganda to feed the MIC. Huey P. Long Jun 2012 #10
Enemy's on the run...fight 'em over there.... morningfog Jun 2012 #27
So what is the statistical threshold before attempting to stop violent mass-murderers? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #8
No one's saying that we shouldn't attempt to stop them. EOTE Jun 2012 #12
Mass murderers like the Pentagon and CIA? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #16
Let's treat it like any other crime. morningfog Jun 2012 #17
Our police can't go to Yemen and Pakistan so why even pretend? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #19
The wars are the result of not doing the police work on US soil Posteritatis Jun 2012 #25
You just made my point. morningfog Jun 2012 #26
Yeah the TSA is soooo awesome Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #29
I'm not at all afraid. Are you? morningfog Jun 2012 #30
What does that even mean? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #31
We don't need decades of war to prevent morningfog Jun 2012 #33
They hate us because Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #34
For many of the dead you have the causation backwards. For many of the dead, morningfog Jun 2012 #39
Some day BIG Furniture and their lobby will get what's coming to them Johonny Jun 2012 #35
We spend trillions on stopping terrorists which have killed maybe 4000 US citizens, johnd83 Jun 2012 #9
Brilliant, even! SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #11
Furniture hates us for our freedom Johonny Jun 2012 #13
Yep n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #14
Furniture is cheaper than fighting bogeymen in lost wars. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #15
Oops DLnyc Jun 2012 #18
So many killed by falling pianos it's ridiculous longship Jun 2012 #20
I said it before and I'll say it again- the terrorism threat meme is bullshit. Gregorian Jun 2012 #21
+1000 marmar Jun 2012 #22
I'm keeping a close eye on my coffee table Spirochete Jun 2012 #23
Some rights must be sacrificed in the struggle against Al Sofa. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2012 #24
Then clearly the terrorists have won. ithinkmyliverhurts Jun 2012 #28
Sweden must turn over the heads of Ikea or else face preemptive invasion 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #32
They will need the proper tools... pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #36
"... seventeen were private U.S. citizens, or .001 percent" whatchamacallit Jun 2012 #37
And the moderate furniture has refused to "refudiate" the radicalized furniture CrawlingChaos Jun 2012 #38

libinnyandia

(1,374 posts)
6. The MIC claims that it is responsible for the low numbers of Americans killed. Without their
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 12:28 PM
Jun 2012

spending 100's of billions of dollars on overpriced ships and planes, terrorists would be overrunning this country.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
7. Thanks to the efforts of President Obama.
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 12:30 PM
Jun 2012

Say what you will. He has Al Qaeda watching out for their backs instead of plotting.

 

Huey P. Long

(1,932 posts)
10. A largely imaginary threat built up on lies and propaganda to feed the MIC.
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:13 PM
Jun 2012

They thank you for playing along.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
12. No one's saying that we shouldn't attempt to stop them.
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:18 PM
Jun 2012

Just that maybe throwing hundreds of billions of dollars at the problem every year is fucking ridiculous.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
17. Let's treat it like any other crime.
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:33 PM
Jun 2012

Prevent attacks through good intell and police work. Not through endless wars.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
25. The wars are the result of not doing the police work on US soil
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 02:12 PM
Jun 2012

The 9/11 hijackers weren't exactly direct flights from Pakistan, you know.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
31. What does that even mean?
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 03:05 PM
Jun 2012

I don't live in fear of having my house burn down but I like having fire departments. Unlike fires terrorists take years to materialize and if they can be stopped I'm all for it. If they can be stopped before they reach their targets, good. If they can be arrested in their safehouses, better. If the people living overseas formulating plots, funding them, recruiting them and training them get zotted -- well...

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
33. We don't need decades of war to prevent
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 03:13 PM
Jun 2012

what is a minor threat. Not only are funders zotted, but innocent civilians too. Nations rights are violated. Regions are further radicalized, a new generation has reason to hate the US. it is counterproductive and expensive. They hate us because we kill them with impunity.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
34. They hate us because
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 03:18 PM
Jun 2012

we kill them for trying to kill our people? I suppose serial killers are fond of cops either.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
39. For many of the dead you have the causation backwards. For many of the dead,
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:48 PM
Jun 2012

you are flat out wrong. We, the US, have killed far more innocent civilians than US civilians have died from the acts of terrorism.

johnd83

(593 posts)
9. We spend trillions on stopping terrorists which have killed maybe 4000 US citizens,
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:11 PM
Jun 2012

yet we cut cancer and other disease research to the bone, which kill millions. We're smart...

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
15. Furniture is cheaper than fighting bogeymen in lost wars.
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:28 PM
Jun 2012

Probably, every house in the country could be handsomely furnished with the money we waste on wars and "defense".

DLnyc

(2,479 posts)
18. Oops
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:34 PM
Jun 2012

1% of 978 is 9.78 and 1% of 13,288 is 132.88.

So 3 is about .3% of 978, not .003%. And 17 is about .1% of 13,288, not .001%

Probably it is the cuts to education that will end up killing us all.

longship

(40,416 posts)
20. So many killed by falling pianos it's ridiculous
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 02:02 PM
Jun 2012

The mayhem! The slaughter of innocents! The fine chords as the strings break!

Terrible!
When is Congress going to finally act on this tragedy?

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
21. I said it before and I'll say it again- the terrorism threat meme is bullshit.
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 02:04 PM
Jun 2012

It never fooled me one minute. I am too busy looking at what is coming out of tailpipes. Now that is something that should panic even the most brave.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
32. Sweden must turn over the heads of Ikea or else face preemptive invasion
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 03:08 PM
Jun 2012

we will not distinguish between furniture makers or those who harbor them!

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
37. "... seventeen were private U.S. citizens, or .001 percent"
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:29 PM
Jun 2012

And how many of those were killed by us? This really puts into perspective what colossal assholes we are.

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
38. And the moderate furniture has refused to "refudiate" the radicalized furniture
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 04:40 PM
Jun 2012

Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war. It's all perfectly sane, isn't it?

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