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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 09:26 AM Jan 2017

Bernie Sanders Announces His Anti-Trump Agenda On 'Rachel Maddow' & It's Pretty Revolutionary

Bernie Sanders Announces His Anti-Trump Agenda On 'Rachel Maddow' & It's Pretty Revolutionary
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In the hoopla since Hillary Clinton's loss to Donald Trump for the presidency, it's been easy to forget that less than a year ago, there were more than two contenders for president. Since being tapped for the Democratic Party's outreach chair, however, Sen. Bernie Sanders has walked the walk that he promised at the end of his surprisingly successful candidacy. In his most recent appearance on The Rachel Maddow Show, Sanders announced his arm of the Democrats' new anti-Trump agenda, and it lives up to the "revolutionary" action he promised on the campaign trail.

In his first interview in 2017, Sanders expounded upon the new Democratic plan to hold a series of rallies across the country on Jan. 15 to oppose the Republican Party's plans to swiftly repeal the Affordable Care Act within the next year without offering a viable alternative. If followed through with, the move has the potential to leave tens of millions uninsured. In signature Sanders style, the Vermont senator not only offered a glimpse into his wealth of policy knowledge on the Republican budget and Trump's agenda, but also offered the kinds of actionable solutions that inspired so many to support him in his presidential bid.

During his time with Maddow, Sanders notes that the Jan. 15 rallies will be the first time in the party's history that they sponsored such grassroots events outside of the election cycle. To say that Sanders changed the party is an understatement — this bold organizational move might just be the push the party needs to tap into the millennial support base that propelled Sanders to his success as a candidate.



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Bernie Sanders Announces His Anti-Trump Agenda On 'Rachel Maddow' & It's Pretty Revolutionary (Original Post) portlander23 Jan 2017 OP
Bernie is my spirit animal but retrowire Jan 2017 #1
Draw attention to the Republican plans to cut and privatize the social safety net. Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #2
Generate energy around an issue, bring awareness and attention. CousinIT Jan 2017 #7
Bernie always knows where to shine the light of truth... just have to follow his lead! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #103
Give us one more chance to save the social safety net. Orsino Jan 2017 #25
It will change the minds of the KGOP and Benedict Donald cause they can't hold rallies uponit7771 Jan 2017 #54
How are you doing, retrowire? potone Jan 2017 #83
I'm not sad. retrowire Jan 2017 #92
Nor have I. potone Jan 2017 #98
When Bernie Sanders ran for president SecularMotion Jan 2017 #3
Time will tell. CentralMass Jan 2017 #4
What policies of the Democratic party did he speak against? aintitfunny Jan 2017 #5
accepting corporate money. n/t yodermon Jan 2017 #79
Well done. dionysus Jan 2017 #101
As I remember, Sanders consistently spoke in support of Democratic policies and principles CousinIT Jan 2017 #8
Nope. Some people just see what they want to see. dionysus Jan 2017 #102
You seem to be making things up. -nt Bradical79 Jan 2017 #107
..."he drew large crowds by speaking against the policies of the Democratic Party." demmiblue Jan 2017 #9
So did Nader. HUGE crowds. How's that going, BTW? (nt) ehrnst Jan 2017 #15
Yeah, you're right, Why bother. pangaia Jan 2017 #26
Eh? In what world are Bernie's policies ... mwooldri Jan 2017 #30
Bernie campaigned against the Democratic Party establishment. SecularMotion Jan 2017 #43
I went to a few of his rallies and never once heard him speak against Democratic policies. woodsprite Jan 2017 #53
My millennial aged Bernie supporting son is going to a protest tomorrow for PP and abortion rights. kickitup Jan 2017 #59
That's not why he drew large crowds. George II Jan 2017 #60
He drew many voters from outside the Democratic Party SecularMotion Jan 2017 #72
And as we've found out since, many of them didn't vote for Democratic candidates. George II Jan 2017 #73
That's a good thing, Secmo. We need to cultivate and grow these people... Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #75
I was a solid Hillary supporter. I accept, given her loss and her age, that her era is over. Trust Buster Jan 2017 #6
We have Pelosi, Sanders Warren and Schumer CousinIT Jan 2017 #10
Then why didn't you include Hillary in your list ? Sanders' era is over as well IMO. Trust Buster Jan 2017 #12
Cuz right now she's on a well-deserved break. Beartracks Jan 2017 #81
Yes, we need to work with and support THEM - ALL of them.... George II Jan 2017 #28
Agreed. We are in a hell of a lot of trouble here. CousinIT Jan 2017 #50
Are you responding to George? sheshe2 Jan 2017 #82
OMG. sheshe2 Jan 2017 #80
Are you suggesting he's too old to be a leading figure bullwinkle428 Jan 2017 #11
I'm suggesting that the Democrats' bench is thin. I'm suggesting that we must move on from Trust Buster Jan 2017 #14
"Fresh blood?" To paraphrase Bernie, "It's not enough to be young." ehrnst Jan 2017 #19
When I mention "youth", I'm not referring to 21 year olds. Republicans will control the WH, the Trust Buster Jan 2017 #21
Not necessarily. mwooldri Jan 2017 #33
Registered Democrats have an embarrassing midterm turnout track record. I wouldn't hold your Trust Buster Jan 2017 #42
Neither was I. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2017 #64
Ok then, what are the "young" ones proposing to do? LakeArenal Jan 2017 #13
The "young ones" will remain in the shadows if Hillary, Sanders and Pelosi continue to suck up Trust Buster Jan 2017 #17
"Suck up all the oxygen?" What does that even mean? ehrnst Jan 2017 #85
Don't diss experience. We need that now more than ever. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2017 #16
I value experience but I also value up and coming talent. Trust Buster Jan 2017 #18
You said that the experienced ones were "sucking up all the oxygen" ehrnst Jan 2017 #20
You mean that President Obama is not experienced because he's not old enough to qualify for Trust Buster Jan 2017 #22
So name someone who is cued up and ready to throw cause the game starts in 16 days. Vilis Veritas Jan 2017 #49
Warren will be way to old for this crowd. Unless the oldest of them all blesses her... (nt) ehrnst Jan 2017 #63
Straw man. Medicare does not experience - and has nothing to do with what I was talking about. ehrnst Jan 2017 #62
Like who? Let's have some names. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #52
Tim Ryan, Kristin Gillabrand, Debbie Stabenauer (sp) to name a few. They need to be highlighted Trust Buster Jan 2017 #68
So, they need to be "highlighted" like the DNC did with Hillary? ehrnst Jan 2017 #87
Bernie has more youth and vigor than a lot of vigorous youths. pangaia Jan 2017 #27
The next battleground is 2020. It's about the future and developing a strong Democratic bench IMO Trust Buster Jan 2017 #31
NO, The next battleground is right now. pangaia Jan 2017 #32
Not much of a battleground right now. Either the Dems have the votes to sustain a filibuster on a Trust Buster Jan 2017 #40
So we the people just cower in the corner for 4 years while the hill people figure it out? Vilis Veritas Jan 2017 #48
Speak for yourself - where I live there is a school board, county council ehrnst Jan 2017 #96
I think you need to refresh your memory with respect to the OP. Trust Buster Jan 2017 #100
The OP was talking about grassroots action. ehrnst Jan 2017 #106
thank you.... dhill926 Jan 2017 #44
I don't either, but Bernie seems to be the exception to all the "we need young blood" ehrnst Jan 2017 #67
What Bernie are you talking about? Sanders is battling melanoma right now. ehrnst Jan 2017 #65
On matters of youth and vigor, I'll look to Bernie's supporters. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #76
No one is stopping anyone younger or more vigorous from doing anything... TCJ70 Jan 2017 #39
I think Tim Ryan would have been a breath of fresh air as Pelosi's replacement. Now, Pelosi will Trust Buster Jan 2017 #41
No disagreement here... TCJ70 Jan 2017 #45
She was selected by her peers. Perhaps they know more than we do. ehrnst Jan 2017 #89
Pelosi had her moment. She has become stale. We need to move on IMO. Trust Buster Jan 2017 #91
There is a reason that it is up to her peers and not someone ehrnst Jan 2017 #94
There is a reason why President Obama must leave after two terms. Trust Buster Jan 2017 #99
What does that have to do with the minority leader? (nt) ehrnst Jan 2017 #105
When the same leadership is in place for a decade or more they become stale, rigid and dictatorial Trust Buster Jan 2017 #108
That's not why the president has term limits. The 22nd amendment does not apply to congress ehrnst Jan 2017 #109
Sanders is not the only career politician keeping issues out front and engaging the public. ehrnst Jan 2017 #84
I didn't say he's the only one...n/t TCJ70 Jan 2017 #86
I didn't say Sanders wasn't out there. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2017 #88
I didn't say you did...n/t TCJ70 Jan 2017 #90
Straw men get tiresome. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2017 #95
I wouldn't know. n/t TCJ70 Jan 2017 #97
You are a prodigy, then! (nt) ehrnst Jan 2017 #110
Thanks! N/t TCJ70 Jan 2017 #111
What are the specific policy changes that youth, and only youth can supply? LanternWaste Jan 2017 #58
You missed the point entirely. It takes years to develop Democratic leaders on a national stage. Trust Buster Jan 2017 #74
Sanders is still in Congress. His era is not over. Hillary is not in Congress. panader0 Jan 2017 #70
How many times are you going to post this? George II Jan 2017 #23
Somebody alerted on your post. It seems the alert stalkers are back, if they ever left. Tanuki Jan 2017 #35
Thank you. George II Jan 2017 #36
I had not seen this previously RussBLib Jan 2017 #61
Well there have been at least two on the DU home page in the last day...... George II Jan 2017 #66
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #24
Sanders is planning them? I don't think so. George II Jan 2017 #37
Please stop bashing our Dems.. There's no need to take a dump on Cha Jan 2017 #38
The thing is I don't think it's Sanders who is planning all of those rallies, either. It is... George II Jan 2017 #51
Well I thank Nancy Pelosi, Schumer, and the Democratic Leaders in Cha Jan 2017 #55
Idol Worship Me. Jan 2017 #104
Sic 'em Bernard!!! pangaia Jan 2017 #29
While I applaud Bernie for what he is doing, I remain skeptical that a series of rallies will change still_one Jan 2017 #34
On rallies and effectiveness: I'll take ANYTHING on the table, except inaction. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #77
I sincerely hope this kicks off IntraPolitico Jan 2017 #46
Although not what I would call "revolutionary"........ socialist_n_TN Jan 2017 #47
Sanders town hall on CNN January 9th PDittie Jan 2017 #56
We're gonna need an events calendar at this rate portlander23 Jan 2017 #57
K and R panader0 Jan 2017 #69
Unless it's going to be 100% obstruction on everything, I'm not interested... Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #71
Well, trump said he will support SS & Medicare, presumably against the GOPers. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #78
Trump flips his positions on everything every 24-36 hours... Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #93
You're right about that. But the GOPers may pass a bill, and it winds up on his desk... Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #112
Let's see him stand up to the Russians. I'd be impressed. Right now he just says Dems suck/ed. JTFrog Jan 2017 #113

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
2. Draw attention to the Republican plans to cut and privatize the social safety net.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 09:56 AM
Jan 2017

Many of the Trump supporters have no idea what is going on. Trump famously said that unlike the other Republicans, he would not cut SS, Medicaid, and Medicare. He plans on signing the heartless bills doing just that. Paul Ryan and Mitch McTurtle have these bills ready to go.

We must draw attention and get some blowback to make the Republicans think twice about voting for this shit!

CousinIT

(9,247 posts)
7. Generate energy around an issue, bring awareness and attention.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:06 AM
Jan 2017

Rallies bring awareness and generate energy around an issue. They let the PTB know people are paying attention and are not just going to lay down and take the abuses of having their healthcare and retirement taken away. Millionaires and billionaires stole our government. They aren't going to just be nice and give it back. We have to TAKE IT back. Rallies are a part of that.

Another part of it is knowing who your reps are and calling, writing, emailing them REGULARLY (daily/weekly)- Republicans and Dems, as well as Pelosi, Schumer, Warren, and Sanders. It takes one minute to call an office and state a position on an issue. The staffers are almost always pleasant and they do take tallies of public sentiment - esp if you're a constituent.

All of us have to be MORE POLITICALLY ACTIVE THAN EVER BEFORE.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
25. Give us one more chance to save the social safety net.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:53 AM
Jan 2017

The election's over and the barbarians are in charge. Rallies are what we have, they are a strength of Sanders, and if we have any enthusiasm left for saving lives, this is our chance.

potone

(1,701 posts)
83. How are you doing, retrowire?
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:36 AM
Jan 2017

I haven't seen you posting much since the election at either site. I hope you haven't fallen into despair. We are all still reeling from this election, but actions like the rallies that Bernie is advocating will put the Republicans on notice that they are being watched, and will serve to help educate his voters about what is in store for this country if the Republicans get their way.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
92. I'm not sad.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:16 PM
Jan 2017

Just angrily observant of everything now.

I keep to myself unless I feel I've really gotta speak.

And I abandoned JPR because of the partial acceptance of Trump I had seen there. I've got no tolerance for it.

potone

(1,701 posts)
98. Nor have I.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 06:56 PM
Jan 2017

I also am astounded at the ready acceptance of anything that Putin or the Russian media say as the truth that some people there have. it is hard to find an internet home that one is comfortable in.

I'm glad you are doing as well as any of are after this appalling election. I have never seen anything like it.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
3. When Bernie Sanders ran for president
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 09:57 AM
Jan 2017

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he drew large crowds by speaking against as an alternative to the policies of the Democratic Party.

I doubt he can attract the same crowds while supporting the policies of the Democratic Party.

CousinIT

(9,247 posts)
8. As I remember, Sanders consistently spoke in support of Democratic policies and principles
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:09 AM
Jan 2017

He did delineate differences between himself and Clinton - to be expected in a primary.

But maybe I missed something.

demmiblue

(36,865 posts)
9. ..."he drew large crowds by speaking against the policies of the Democratic Party."
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:09 AM
Jan 2017


God lawd, it is almost humorous at this point.


mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
30. Eh? In what world are Bernie's policies ...
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:03 AM
Jan 2017

... not Democratic Party policies?

If I recall correctly he campaigned on a platform of standing up for the middle and lower classes, making the billionaire class pay their share, a more pacifistic world agenda, taking Obamacare to the next level by Medicare for all, tertiary education paid for through taxes, infrastructure improvements paid by taxes.... This is a left wing Democratic Party agenda.

We have a government that is effectively GW Bush... On steroids. The plus side is that Donal Drumpf isn't stupid. The minuses make GWB look like a Harvard constitutional law scholar in comparison.

Also remember the media isn't on our side.

Organized rallies are in my opinion a good way forward when you don't have the political power to make and pass laws.

 

SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
43. Bernie campaigned against the Democratic Party establishment.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:50 AM
Jan 2017

He won't draw the same crowds of millennials while supporting Democrats.

woodsprite

(11,916 posts)
53. I went to a few of his rallies and never once heard him speak against Democratic policies.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 12:22 PM
Jan 2017

Perhaps some of what he said went against DLC-type policies, and I consider that perfectly acceptable. IMO even Roosevelt would have spoken against some of the wishy-washy ways of the DLC. Wish my Senators and Reps weren't so deep into the DLC (Carper, Coons, Carney (new DE governor, replaced yesterday by Lisa Blundt-Rochester)).

kickitup

(355 posts)
59. My millennial aged Bernie supporting son is going to a protest tomorrow for PP and abortion rights.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 12:36 PM
Jan 2017

My state of Kentucky is in the process of passing 3 restrictive abortion bills. PP and the ACLU are having a Day of Action in Frankfort tomorrow and he and his friends are going. They were all Bernie supporters in the primary.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
75. That's a good thing, Secmo. We need to cultivate and grow these people...
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 06:38 PM
Jan 2017

...that's what a political party is about.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
6. I was a solid Hillary supporter. I accept, given her loss and her age, that her era is over.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:06 AM
Jan 2017

I think Sanders' supporters need to do the same with respect to Sander's. A new era has dawned requiring youth and vigor IMO.

CousinIT

(9,247 posts)
10. We have Pelosi, Sanders Warren and Schumer
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:12 AM
Jan 2017

We need to work with and support them. Casting them off as "too old' will only hurt us.

This is not the time to be ageist and stand by and allow our healthcare and retirement to be stolen in order to pay for tax cuts for the rich.

There's just too much at stake here.

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
81. Cuz right now she's on a well-deserved break.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:56 PM
Jan 2017

When she's back in the fray, THEN CousinIT could include her on the list.



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George II

(67,782 posts)
28. Yes, we need to work with and support THEM - ALL of them....
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:59 AM
Jan 2017

There are 48 Democratic Senators (including 2 independents) and about 200 Democratic Representatives.

From the looks of things around here there is only one.

CousinIT

(9,247 posts)
50. Agreed. We are in a hell of a lot of trouble here.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 12:14 PM
Jan 2017

We can't afford to be ageist and cast off the only Dems we have to be our voice in gov't. Sure others will come onto the scene - younger, etc. But we got what we got right now and have to work w/ that.

sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
82. Are you responding to George?
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:01 AM
Jan 2017

Your ageist post has nothing to do what he said.

He is talking numbers not age. We have 48 DEMOCRATIC SENATORS, yet on DU we only have one. Only one Senator. One is the loneliest number.


George II (19,016 posts)

28. Yes, we need to work with and support THEM - ALL of them....





There are 48 Democratic Senators (including 2 independents) and about 200 Democratic Representatives.

From the looks of things around here there is only one.


bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
11. Are you suggesting he's too old to be a leading figure
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:15 AM
Jan 2017

as part of the resistance movement against Trumpism?

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
14. I'm suggesting that the Democrats' bench is thin. I'm suggesting that we must move on from
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:21 AM
Jan 2017

Hillary, Sanders and Pelosi and allow fresh blood to establish themselves on a national basis.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
19. "Fresh blood?" To paraphrase Bernie, "It's not enough to be young."
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:26 AM
Jan 2017

You need experience, and youth does not give you that.

You may be smart, but we need those who "have seen the elephant."

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
21. When I mention "youth", I'm not referring to 21 year olds. Republicans will control the WH, the
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:30 AM
Jan 2017

Senate and the House until 2020. We must prepare for 2020 IMO.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
33. Not necessarily.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:08 AM
Jan 2017

There are midterm elections in 2018. If Donal Drumpf proves to be unpopular, and if the Repukes do damage to health care without fixing it satisfactorily, and we keep up the momentum on the left and get out the vote we can take back the House. Unsure about the Senate because more safe Repuke seats are up next time and some Democrats in Red States are up for reelection.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
42. Registered Democrats have an embarrassing midterm turnout track record. I wouldn't hold your
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:46 AM
Jan 2017

breath on that hope. PS.: The Republicans might vote to repeal the ACA before 2018 but it won't take effect until after 2018. Neither the House or Senate will flip to the Dems in 2018 IMO. 2020 is a census year. Therefore, we must not only be well positioned in the federal legislature but the state legislatures as well if we wish to reverse the fraudulent effects of Republican gerrymandering after the 2020 census.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
17. The "young ones" will remain in the shadows if Hillary, Sanders and Pelosi continue to suck up
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:23 AM
Jan 2017

all the oxygen. We need to strengthen our bench.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
85. "Suck up all the oxygen?" What does that even mean?
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 08:21 AM
Jan 2017

Nancy Pelosi is Minority Leader - if she's not out there pushing our issues, she's not doing her job.

And is it only women of a certain age that are "sucking up all the oxygen?" If you mean jumping into the spotlight - that's certainly what Bernie is doing.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
20. You said that the experienced ones were "sucking up all the oxygen"
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:26 AM
Jan 2017

Doesn't sound like value to me.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
22. You mean that President Obama is not experienced because he's not old enough to qualify for
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:34 AM
Jan 2017

Medicare ? Point being, there are many in the Party in their 40's and 50's who have the requisite experience. We need to build our bench for the future. The time is quickly coming when Hillary, Bill, Pelosi and Sander's will represent our past. That is all I'm saying.

Vilis Veritas

(2,405 posts)
49. So name someone who is cued up and ready to throw cause the game starts in 16 days.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 12:08 PM
Jan 2017

Bernie has credibility, popularity, networks, experience, incredible stamina, incredible ability to stay on message and he is still active in the Senate (at least as far as I know).

I am ready to help him in whatever way I can.

If you can't name some young one (you said there were many) with a plan and agenda that has popularity and experience and who has a plan in place for fighting the incoming disaster then please just acknowledge the fact that we need to start fighting on DAY 1.

However, I agree with your sentiment about 2020, the party needs to be putting the Young One out there and whose coattails better to ride than the current active Senator Sanders, Warren, Pelosi...I could see them doing these rallies together and the old guard building up this Young One, preparing for the endorsement in 2019.

Hell, Warren could be that Young One and I would and was all over the Warren bandwagon for a long time so it would be very easy for me to get behind that brilliant woman.

Peace

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
62. Straw man. Medicare does not experience - and has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 01:09 PM
Jan 2017

So, no, that was not "all you were saying," any more than I said experience = medicare eligible....

If people are still up for leading - and by leading, I mean in Senate or in Dem leadership positions - then their experience and well honed gut instinct should not be thrown away because someone thinks there's not enough "oxygen" left in the room for them.




 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
68. Tim Ryan, Kristin Gillabrand, Debbie Stabenauer (sp) to name a few. They need to be highlighted
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 01:38 PM
Jan 2017

to begin to develop their national identities.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
87. So, they need to be "highlighted" like the DNC did with Hillary?
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 08:53 AM
Jan 2017

I see to recall that Bernie supporters were OUTRAGED by all the support and highlighting that Hillary got from the party, because it just wasn't fair to Bernie.

And just who will be doing this "highlighting?" The people you claim are "sucking up all the oxygen" like our minority leaders - who was elected by those people who are currently doing the work of governing. Including those on your list.

I feel like you are simply tired of seeing certain people in leadership, and are rationalizing why you think that they should not be there.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
32. NO, The next battleground is right now.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:07 AM
Jan 2017

If we lose, there may not BE a 2020..

Get to work, like a vigorous youth.
I am, and I am 73.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
40. Not much of a battleground right now. Either the Dems have the votes to sustain a filibuster on a
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:36 AM
Jan 2017

particular issue or they don't. Developing a strong nationally recognized bench for the future is what I was referring to.

Vilis Veritas

(2,405 posts)
48. So we the people just cower in the corner for 4 years while the hill people figure it out?
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 12:07 PM
Jan 2017

F that...I am going to start fighting, writing, calling, protesting right now. And if Bernie is leading some National effort to help me fight then HELL YEA!

But I do agree with developing that bench and I think that is why Warren was in the list...maybe? Or is Senator Warren to old?

Peace.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
96. Speak for yourself - where I live there is a school board, county council
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 03:24 PM
Jan 2017

state house and many other political bodies that shape my life right now, and provide the "highlighting" of political talent.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
106. The OP was talking about grassroots action.
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 02:35 PM
Jan 2017

Perhaps you need to referesh your memory with respect to the OP.

dhill926

(16,347 posts)
44. thank you....
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:54 AM
Jan 2017

I don't give a flying fuck how old somebody is....just get shit done and resist the nightmare that lies ahead. All dems should be eager to enlist...

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
67. I don't either, but Bernie seems to be the exception to all the "we need young blood"
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 01:27 PM
Jan 2017

in the party.

And the only reason that many of his fans are even considering a woman as old as Elizabeth Warren - even after vilifying her for supporting Hillary - is that Bernie has blessed her with his approval.

Any other woman older than 50, particularly of color, seems to be dismissed out of hand. And the minute Hillary got pneumonia, Bernie fans were demanding she step down and let "vigorous" Bernie (who I believe knew he had melanoma back in July) step in.

I think that if someone is still going strong, we should absolutely have them in party leadership.

The presidency may be another situation, as that is a major stressor. I did have concerns about Hillary's age, but felt she was much healthier than Bernie, as women are usually healthier than men of the same age at that point.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
65. What Bernie are you talking about? Sanders is battling melanoma right now.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 01:17 PM
Jan 2017

That cut on his cheek at the Convention that so many Sanders supporters said was "evidence" that the DNC "roughed him up" was likely a biopsy.

Going public with a health problem that serious at that time would certainly have been more of a problem for Bernie than rumors that he was assaulted by DNC thugs.

I have my doubts that he is as healthy as many believe.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
39. No one is stopping anyone younger or more vigorous from doing anything...
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:35 AM
Jan 2017

...where are they? Maybe we should have them partner with Sanders since he's out there keeping the issues out front and engaging the public?

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
41. I think Tim Ryan would have been a breath of fresh air as Pelosi's replacement. Now, Pelosi will
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:39 AM
Jan 2017

dominate that spotlight. It takes years to develop nationally recognized leading figures.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
45. No disagreement here...
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:56 AM
Jan 2017

...but I think the pressure needs to not be for the existing people to step down but to work with the people who will eventually come up behind them. Bernie, having a platform and ability to connect with large groups of people, is in a good position to do this rather than an unknown at this point.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
89. She was selected by her peers. Perhaps they know more than we do.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 09:04 AM
Jan 2017

Perhaps it's a job that isn't about "highlighting," it's a job that requires a deep understanding of congress.

Perhaps it's not a learn on the job position, such as one to be given to someone that the boss would like to groom for other things.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
94. There is a reason that it is up to her peers and not someone
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 03:19 PM
Jan 2017

who has never done the work she does.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
108. When the same leadership is in place for a decade or more they become stale, rigid and dictatorial
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 02:57 PM
Jan 2017

by default. Pelosi has had her opportunity and shouldn't have cracked her whip in seeking re-election as minority leader IMO. Tim Ryan would have served as a breath of fresh air.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
109. That's not why the president has term limits. The 22nd amendment does not apply to congress
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 03:40 PM
Jan 2017

There are reasons, even if Trust Buster doesn't understand them. It involves the very different weight that the president has as opposed to a single member of congress.

Again - if Tim Ryan had the confidence of his peers, then he would have been elected by his peers. Perhaps what is a 'breath of fresh air" to some is "not ready yet for this position" to those who work there.

Perhaps if you were to hold office in Congress, you would be in a position to judge.

Until then, the actual people who do the work get to make that decision, instead of those who might think that experience is a handicap.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
84. Sanders is not the only career politician keeping issues out front and engaging the public.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 08:19 AM
Jan 2017

Corey Booker, Al Franken, Elizabeth Warren, Don Beyers.....

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
58. What are the specific policy changes that youth, and only youth can supply?
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 12:32 PM
Jan 2017

What are the specific policy changes that youth, and only youth can supply which mid- to older-age is unable to, and on what objective measure is that based?

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
74. You missed the point entirely. It takes years to develop Democratic leaders on a national stage.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 03:17 PM
Jan 2017

Neither the Clinton's, Sanders or Pelosi represent the next generation of leadership I never claimed that Democrats in their 40's or 50's are the only Democrats that can affect policy change.

George II

(67,782 posts)
66. Well there have been at least two on the DU home page in the last day......
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 01:26 PM
Jan 2017

.......I guess it'snot a good thing to "peruse" the home page of this site?

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George II

(67,782 posts)
37. Sanders is planning them? I don't think so.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:23 AM
Jan 2017

And "Hillary and Bill" are carrying on an age old tradition of ex-Presidents and their spouses attending the Inauguration at noon. They're not going to the Inaugural ball.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
38. Please stop bashing our Dems.. There's no need to take a dump on
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:34 AM
Jan 2017

Hillary because she isn't planning rallies around the country.

Yes they are going to the inauguration.. It has everything to do with Hillary's grace, dignity, and strength,

She has every reason to hold her head high.. & I think it will piss off the insecure dump that she is there distracting from him being the center of everyone's universe.

Hillary is fearless and I'm glad the Clintons will be there for President Obama, too.

George II

(67,782 posts)
51. The thing is I don't think it's Sanders who is planning all of those rallies, either. It is...
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 12:18 PM
Jan 2017

...Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leaders in Congress, who have called for the rallies.

Funny how those two get shoved into the background all the time.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
55. Well I thank Nancy Pelosi, Schumer, and the Democratic Leaders in
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 12:26 PM
Jan 2017

Congress.

Not by me they're not getting shoved away.. everyone deserves mention.. thank you, George.. I had no idea.

still_one

(92,239 posts)
34. While I applaud Bernie for what he is doing, I remain skeptical that a series of rallies will change
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:09 AM
Jan 2017

the outcome, unless those rallies get enough coverage, and they also motivate people to call their representative and senators. Otherwise, it will be just preaching to the choir.

The can also destroy the ACA informally through the process of budget reconciliation as I understand it

The fact that every Democrat running for Senate in a swing state lost to the establishment, republican, incumbent, puts us in a very precarious situation.

Don't get me wrong, we need to fight this every inch of the way, but those folks who decided not to vote or vote third party, have pretty much set the course for the next two years, and most likely the next four years



 

IntraPolitico

(51 posts)
46. I sincerely hope this kicks off
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:59 AM
Jan 2017

Our Revolution wasn't really what it expected it to be. One can only hope this really creates a change.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
47. Although not what I would call "revolutionary"........
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 12:04 PM
Jan 2017

this IS a step in that direction, ESPECIALLY for the Democratic Party. And it's a step in the direction of being an "opposition" party rather than a "compromise" party. Also note that this is coming from the left of the Democratic Party and not the party in general. The party as a whole will not easily let go of their support for the Reaganite, neo-liberal agenda and, to be fair, neither will many of the Republican globalists. This sets up a pretty interesting Congressional dynamic IMO.

But it's a start at getting people involved and out in the streets where REAL change has to begin.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
71. Unless it's going to be 100% obstruction on everything, I'm not interested...
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 01:58 PM
Jan 2017

We can no longer afford to be less ruthless than our enemies... The game has been changed forever now...

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
112. You're right about that. But the GOPers may pass a bill, and it winds up on his desk...
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 01:36 PM
Jan 2017

Folks better hope he vetos a bill the slams SS or Medicare -- it would save folks here the moral anguish or having to "back" trump on something. And SS may not be the only issue.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
113. Let's see him stand up to the Russians. I'd be impressed. Right now he just says Dems suck/ed.
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 01:37 PM
Jan 2017

Keeps dissing Dems instead of embracing the reality of the Russian hacking and interference. Does he not believe the Intelligence Agencies like Trump? I mean, seriously, wtf?

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