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What if Trump gives Julian Assange exile in America ? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 OP
One problem is that 'Rump would have to work out a deal with Sweden and GB TexasProgresive Jan 2017 #1
Before Assange got anywhere near Sweden, Denzil_DC Jan 2017 #4
Please see post five. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #6
I understand an embassy is sovereign territory. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #5
I guess they could give them an ultimatum. Denzil_DC Jan 2017 #9
We're talking about Ecuador . DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #10
That would be a bit rough on blameless Ecuadorians in the UK Denzil_DC Jan 2017 #11
Then Ecuador should give him up. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #12
Oh, you'll get no argument from me that they're in the wrong. Denzil_DC Jan 2017 #13
GB would have to call their diplomats and possibly all British citizens in Ecuador. TexasProgresive Jan 2017 #14
This is a real possibility, especially if skip fox Jan 2017 #2
Ignorant question possibly Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2017 #3
I thought Trump was going to gwheezie Jan 2017 #7
Now that Charlie is sick the universe of potential picks for all positions is narrowing DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #8
He'll soon be running to the Ecuadorian Embassy here in D.C.! I doubt life would be easy for him. eleny Jan 2017 #15

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
1. One problem is that 'Rump would have to work out a deal with Sweden and GB
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:35 AM
Jan 2017

Because as soon as he walks out of the Ecuadorian embassy he can be picked up by the Brits and extradited to Sweden. Of course 'Rump could twitter them into submission.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
5. I understand an embassy is sovereign territory.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:41 AM
Jan 2017

But couldn't Britain just give Ecuador an ultimatum; extradite Assange to Sweden or close your embassy. It's not as if Ecuador is some international player.

Denzil_DC

(7,244 posts)
9. I guess they could give them an ultimatum.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:49 AM
Jan 2017

But it would be a fairly serious diplomatic incident. The authorities seem to have been happier to treat it like a self-imposed siege and wait for either the Ecuadorians or Assange to crack.

I don't think they could order Ecuador to extradite him - I don't have time to check right now, but Ecuador may not have an extradition agreement with Sweden anyway, and it would be a slightly more complicated process than their authorities just doing it on a whim - it would have to go though their own legal system.

Any demands would more likely be that they surrender him to British custody to face the music here for jumping bail and complete the course of the earlier UK extradition court case.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. We're talking about Ecuador .
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:55 AM
Jan 2017

My ultimatum would be give us Assange or close your embassy and take him back to Quito with you.



Why is it in Ecuador's interest to thumb its nose at the UK, Sweden, and the USA?

Denzil_DC

(7,244 posts)
11. That would be a bit rough on blameless Ecuadorians in the UK
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:01 AM
Jan 2017

who need the embassy's services.

Embarrassing as he can be, they probably figure Assange in his current predicament isn't worth stirring up the trouble. Plus the legal system demands he answer at law for skipping bail - they couldn't just allow him free passage.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
12. Then Ecuador should give him up.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:04 AM
Jan 2017

What if he was to stand trial for raping a British citizen?

I am just trotting out a parade of horribles that show Ecuador is in the wrong here.

Denzil_DC

(7,244 posts)
13. Oh, you'll get no argument from me that they're in the wrong.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 11:08 AM
Jan 2017

Their regime, like a number in South America, has been caught up in the wave of thumbing their noses at the major state players in the west. There's been enough dabbling by our own clandestine services in their internal affairs over the years, after all.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
14. GB would have to call their diplomats and possibly all British citizens in Ecuador.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 12:21 PM
Jan 2017

and unrecognizable the government of Ecuador. Even then the grounds of the embassy may still be Ecuadorian territory under international law. Ecuador may not be a big international player but they are a sovereign nation that has allies in Latin America and elsewhere.

What you are suggesting would be a major shit storm. I don't think PM Teresa May or the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Boris Johnson would want to start. International affairs are never simple. This is why we are in for a rough ride with the short fingered, foul mouthed simpleton soon to take charge of the nation.

skip fox

(19,359 posts)
2. This is a real possibility, especially if
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:35 AM
Jan 2017

Trump negotiated the 3rd party transfer of hacked material from Putin to Assange.

Imagine what Assange would have on Trump: evidence of treason.

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