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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPence, Ryan Presser: 30 million people about to get fucked over
and we'll lie to you about it the whole way.
HAVE A NICE DAY
PS Medicare is next
unblock
(52,257 posts)more like 3 million people awarded jackpot while the other 316 million americans get fucked over.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)They are gunning for it and do not care about the consequences.
The way it seems they'll do it is by lying and saying anything is better than that disaster.
All lies and no solutions. That's because they don't intend to improve it at all.
They don't care because it covers many people who are powerless.
I am on Obamacare so I'm angry but if you're on Medicare beware this will be the beginning
of their shredding of Medicare too.
unblock
(52,257 posts)obamacare is just the start of the shitstorm that's to come.
four years of destruction, a minimum of two with extremely limited power in democrats' hands to even slow the pace.
obamacare, medicare, social security, big tax breaks for the rich, trivial breaks for middle class if any, huge corporate tax cuts, massive deregulation, selling off public properties, tort limitations, etc.
if you're not in the 1%, you're getting screwed one way or another, probably more than one way.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)and their billionaire puppet masters. I don't know when people will realize how much they're about to lose.
edhopper
(33,590 posts)will effect everyone with insurance, not just the 30 million that will lose it.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)ACA repeal will impact Medicare.
The Democrats have got to go crazy messaging on this
edhopper
(33,590 posts)they will blame Obama for wrecking the system.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
massive increases of ObamaCare will take place this year and Dems are to blame for the mess. It will fall of its own weight - be careful!
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
like the 116% hike in Arizona. Also, deductibles are so high that it is practically useless. Don't let the Schumer clowns out of this web...
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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago
Republicans must be careful in that the Dems own the failed ObamaCare disaster, with its poor coverage and massive premium increases......
edhopper
(33,590 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)Posted on Thu, 12/29/2016 - 3:22pm
I've crunched the numbers up and down to come up with an estimate of how many people would likely lose their healthcare coverage entirely if the Republican Party does indeed repeal the Affordable Care Act, as they've been vowing to do for years now. My best estimate comes in at around 23 million people for a full repeal with immediate effect and no reasonable alternative in place to pick up the pieces. Meanwhile, the Urban Institute ran their own projections and concluded that nearly 30 million people would lose coverage from a partial repeal (which would actually have an even bigger negative impact than a full repeal since it would pretty much wipe out the off-exchange individual market as well via a "death spiral" domino effect).
However, there's another way of looking at this: Let's suppose that a full repeal does go through...including the much-debated requirement that insurance carriers have to accept people with pre-existing conditions into the same policies as everyone else, and that they can't be charged more for the same policies due to their medical condition. Just how many people are we talking about here?
Well, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation study published a few weeks back, the answer is "a lot":
http://acasignups.net/16/12/31/how-many-people-would-be-screwed-over-repealing-aca-23-million-30-million-try-52-million
Dec 12, 2016 | Gary Claxton, Cynthia Cox Follow @cynthiaccox on Twitter , Anthony Damico, Larry Levitt Follow @larry_levitt on Twitter , and Karen Pollitz
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Estimates of the Share of Adults with Pre-Existing Conditions
We estimate that 27% of adult Americans under the age of 65 have health conditions that would likely leave them uninsurable if they applied for individual market coverage under pre-ACA underwriting practices that existed in nearly all states. While a large share of this group has coverage through an employer or public coverage where they do not face medical underwriting, these estimates quantify how many people could be ineligible for individual market insurance under pre-ACA practices if they were to ever lose this coverage. This is a conservative estimate as these surveys do not include sufficient detail on several conditions that would have been declinable before the ACA (such as HIV/AIDS, or hepatitis C). Additionally, millions more have other conditions that could be either declinable by some insurers based on their pre-ACA underwriting guidelines or grounds for higher premiums, exclusions, or limitations under pre-ACA underwriting practices. In a separate Kaiser Family Foundation poll, most people (53%) report that they or someone in their household has a pre-existing condition.
The rates of declinable pre-existing conditions vary from state to state. On the low end, in Colorado and Minnesota, at least 22% of non-elderly adults have conditions that would likely be declinable if they were to seek coverage in the individual market under pre-ACA underwriting practices. Rates are higher in other states particularly in the South such as Tennessee (32%), Arkansas (32%), Alabama (33%), Kentucky (33%), Mississippi (34%), and West Virginia (36%), where at least a third of the non-elderly population would have declinable conditions.
{There follows a chart of people with pre-existing conditions broken down by state}
Discussion
The Affordable Care Act guarantees access to health insurance in the individual market and ends other underwriting practices that left many people with pre-existing conditions uninsured or with limited coverage before the law. As discussions get underway to repeal and replace the ACA, this analysis quantifies the number of adults who would be at risk of being denied if they were to seek coverage in the individual market under pre-ACA rules. What types of protections are preserved for people with pre-existing conditions will be a key element in the debate over repealing and replacing the ACA.
We estimate that at least 52 million non-elderly adult Americans (27% of those under the age of 65) have a health condition that would leave them uninsurable under medical underwriting practices used in the vast majority of state individual markets prior to the ACA. Results vary from state-to-state, with rates ranging around 22 23% in some Northern and Western states to 33% or more in some southern states. Our estimates are conservative and do not account for a number of conditions that were often declinable (but for which data are not available), nor do our estimates account for declinable medications, declinable occupations, and conditions that could lead to other adverse underwriting practices (such as higher premiums or exclusions).
http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/pre-existing-conditions-and-medical-underwriting-in-the-individual-insurance-market-prior-to-the-aca/?utm_content=42291628&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Dems having a presser now and coming out swinging
csziggy
(34,136 posts)And they are listed by state with sources. The comments also are pretty good with corrections and informed discussion.
Cha
(297,323 posts)congressional assholes?
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)so in debates one goes past the other.
They need to be super clear and stick to several talking points and not just answer to Republican lies.
The problem is messaging on the Dem side (fixable and they are planning a day of protests Jan 15) and ruthless selfishness power grabbing evil on the R side (unfixable!)