Heads up:. Very ugly story coming out of Chicago tonite

[AngryAmish]

I saw the video and apparently some crackheads kidnapped and tortured a white suburbanite while constantly saying "Fuck Donald Trump."

This may be a huge story and so far only on local Fox website.

[FreakinDJ]

1. Were going to hear about it for a least a week

[uppityperson]

2. here is the only link I found. They have the 4 in custody

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/227116738-story

[SpookyDem]

3. Wow just found the youtube video, not going to post it here

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. PM it to me please...

All I will say is miscreants come in all varieties.

[HassleCat]

4. We could see more of this from both sides.

Many angry citizens out there. Their side is always angry, and our side is angry because... Wait a sec... I'm always angry now, so don't be surprised if you see a headline that says, "Washington Man Kidnaps, Tortures Local GOP Asshat."-

[Warpy]

6. Nothing on the Big Three

I have to wonder if this is more Fake News via Faux. Give it the three day stink test, especially since it sounds like it's been dubbed.

[Johnathan146]

7. Here is the video

We are all adults. Check it out if you want to, or dont check it out if you dont want to.

[oasis]

39. The criminals mockingly call out Trump's name. I doubt if any of

those felons ever voted for anyone.

[angstlessk]

8. I don't believe this crap for a moment!

[BigDemVoter]

13. Yeah, I'm highly suspicious of ANYTHING coming from Fox News. In fact,

I would just about say that I'll automatically believe the OPPOSITE of what they report, as it's more than likely the case

[radical noodle]

28. And why in the world would she have posted it live on Facebook

Most people don't post live reports of kidnappings do they?

[AngryAmish]

34. Because she is stupid, had no idea it was saved, and proud of her actions.

Because Fuck Donald Trump.

[radical noodle]

55. I can go along with Fuck Donald Trump

but I don't need to torture someone to feel that way.

[jcmaine72]

9. Smells like fake news.

[Johnathan146]

19. Chicago police have confirmed the story by press confrence.

[angstlessk]

35. DOES ANYONE HAVE THE PRESS CONFERENCE VIDEO?

[rollin74]

60. found this video of the press conference

[sarisataka]

109. Fake press conference

that was obviously staged...

[grossproffit]

10. If true, this is horrific.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

11. The victim supposedly has "special needs" according to some reports.

Ugh. At least he wasn't killed.

Social media isn't helping race relations, to say the least.

[Dorian Gray]

12. Special needs?

What the fuck is wrong with the perpetrators of this thing. They were smoking something in the video. I got through about 2 minutes before I had to turn it off. Don't know what in God's name inspired them to do this and think it was funny (and worth streaming on FB). I hope they get charged with a hate crime and all go to jail for a long time. They need to be off the streets.

[angstlessk]

14. They post their faces and the victims face on public media...and it's not fake?

Give me a break if I don't believe a second of it!

[Buckeye_Democrat]

16. It could be fake in some way.

Perpetrators were arrested and the victim, who was later seen "disoriented" on a street by cops, was sent to a hospital for treatment.

I saw these alleged details after a Google search, but the sources might have an agenda? One of the articles was on Heavy.com, but I don't know if that's a biased site so I won't post the link here.

I'm more curious than upset for now because it's pretty strange.

EDIT: Even if it was some kind of planned video to "troll" people or whatever, it's certainly not helpful. Just like some white racist posting a YouTube video about his "opinions" of African Americans doesn't help this country.

[angstlessk]

17. Yes, Extremely strange...why show faces that will be used by prosecutors?

[Johnathan146]

21. Because people are idiots

Think about how dumb the average american is. Now realize that half of all people are dumber than that.

[rollin74]

45. stupid people take video of themselves committing crimes all the time

not that uncommon for people to be arrested/prosecuted because of their own videos posted to social media

nobody said criminals are smart

[AngryAmish]

18. There was a press conference with the Chief of Police of Chicago.

He verified every detail of the video.

I have dealt with these sort of shitheads for almost thirty years. You say, no one would stream this video. If you have a 74 IQ, am high and have no idea there is a future you Livestream this. That is a fact.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

20. I saw the West Side of Chicago from the safety of an Amtrak train awhile back.

It's the most dilapidated place that I've ever seen in this country.

It could be all white people living there instead and I still wouldn't want to walk through it.

It also blew my mind how close the train passed by buildings and windows. Most of the buildings looked unoccupied (with broken or plank-covered windows), but I saw a very small number of people through some windows plain as day. It seemed worse than the train scene in the "Blues Brothers."

[hexola]

93. I've been on that train...

And it is just unbelievable.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

96. This was how my face probably looked while peering out the window.

EDIT: And I've driven through the supposed "bad parts" of Dayton, Cincinnati and Cleveland, among other places.

[Lee-Lee]

23. Criminals tend to often be very stupid people

And often leave perfect proof of their crimes.

[Henry Krinkle]

26. Sun Times is carrying the story now

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/black-captors-torture-white-victim-rant-against-trump-cpd-says/

If it is fake (which I highly doubt, but remains to be seen), there needs to be harsh penalties for those whom
fake, falsify, report, stage, etc hate (and rape allegations), crimes that never happened.

[Abouttime]

15. Breitbart setup.

Where's that o'keefe kid? This screams fake news.

[Johnathan146]

24. Chicago police have said its real in a press conferece

I suggest you call them up help them out since they seem to believe its real.

[angstlessk]

36. DO YOU HAVE VIDEO OF THE 'PRESS CONFERENCE'

[Warpy]

75. Give it the 72 hour stink test

The cops are still investigating this and it could be a lot of things, including a drug deal gone very bad. My best guess says the story is going to change a lot in the next 3 days.

[TheDebbieDee]

77. Everybody KNOWS the Chicago PD can be trusted, RIGHT?

[Henry Krinkle]

22. One of the shistains posted a video of them forcing their victim to drink from the toilet

There isn't a jail cell dark, damp or cramped enough for them to rot in in for the next 40 years.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. I am not going to speculate. It is a good way to look foolish.

[Ace Rothstein]

27. This guy was tortured, ON VIDEO, and you have people here calling it fake news.

Pathetic.

[angstlessk]

32. You ever seen fake torture?

What is unbelievable is the faces of the torturers clearly visible..more visible actually than the victim!

[Ace Rothstein]

41. Sure, in movies.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

44. It's too early to speculate too much, but...

when I passed by West Chicago via Amtrak, prison seemed safer and I thought how I might be tempted to get arrested rather than live there!

I found this article just now after Googling:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2013/06/murder_rate_in_prison_is_it_safer_to_be_jailed_than_free.html

The homicide rate in local jails nationwide hovered around 3 inmates per 100,000 between 2000 and 2010, according to data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics. (There are too few jail inmates in the district to generate a useful Washington-specific figure.) The overall murder rate in Washington in 2011 was 17.5 per 100,000, which means free people in the nation’s capital are more than five times more likely to be murdered than inmates.

[Warren DeMontague]

74. They don't strike me as criminal masterminds.

They're clearly drunk and high, too.

I don't think they had some overarching well-thought-out plan, here.

[philosslayer]

29. Sorry, I'm calling bullshit

Obviously faked.

[NobodyHere]

31. You better tell the Chicago PD this

[philosslayer]

33. They're likely just covering their asses

Pretty sure this will turn out to be more fake news.

[Ace Rothstein]

43. Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

[angstlessk]

37. WHERE IS THE VIDEO OF THE PRESS CONFERENCE?

[NobodyHere]

42. Here

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/04/us/chicago-facebook-live-beating/index.html

[angstlessk]

47. Okay, I'm convinced ...they are cruel assholes!

I just wished it was fake.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

59. Hmm...

The victim knew at least one of his accused attackers from school, Commander Kevin Duffin said. He voluntarily got into a van with the group and was brought into the city.

I'm not suggesting anything yet, but I didn't get the feeling that the perpetrators truly wanted to hurt him. My eyesight isn't the best, but it didn't look like the victim actually drank toilet water either.

Bullies often pick on the weak too. I assume more details will come out later.

[NobodyHere]

64. Didn't want to hurt him?

"The disturbing 30-minute video shows a man tied up and his mouth covered, cowering in the corner of a room. His attackers laugh and shout "f*ck Donald Trump" and "f*ck white people" as they kick and punch him and and cut into his forehead with a knife."

But they meant no harm right?

[Buckeye_Democrat]

71. There's obviously different levels of harm.

Were they bullies picking on a disabled kid and administering harm? Absolutely!

If I'd seen it live, not really knowing with certainty what was going to happen, I think I would've suspected that the white kid would later be let go with minor injuries. That's my feeling on the matter, so it's hard to argue for it "objectively."

[philosslayer]

69. Thats what I thought

It looks staged.

[cwydro]

121. what do you think now? nt

[Glassunion]

53. This is from the PD's verified twitter account.

https://twitter.com/chicago_police/status/816803232303509504

[TheDebbieDee]

56. I agree that we ALL should consider what would happen

if someone or group of people reacted to any inflammatory video without considering the consequences! We should stop letting others (Russians, US Nazis, White Supremacist, etc.) push our buttons. And OPs should maybe do some research before posting such videos...

[Warren DeMontague]

73. unless this is some kind of performance art, how the FUCK is this "fake"?

[philosslayer]

78. Fake

Staged. Made up. With actors. It's called "propoganda", and its purpose is to push buttons. And its clearly working if this thread is any indication.

[Warren DeMontague]

79. Sure.

And so the actors are under arrest, now, is that it?

[philosslayer]

80. I'll wait for the real story to come out.

But you can keep swinging at shadows if you wish.

[Warren DeMontague]

84. No, I'm really trying to figure out how they staged this deal logistically, Andy Kaufman.

Is the Chicago PD in on the conspiracy, too, you think?

[philosslayer]

85. No, the Chicago PD is being duped IMHO

By a very elaborate performance.

[Warren DeMontague]

86. Sounds like Occam is in desperate need of a shave.

But I'll gladly eat my hat if I'm wrong.

[MicaelS]

116. That is disgusting.

I hope you have the balls to admit you are wrong.

[no_hypocrisy]

30. Trump will likely send in the National Guard to Chicago after this incident.

[roamer65]

38. That would be a big mistake.

[rollin74]

40. CNN just carried it. showed part of the video

disgusting as hell

the pieces of shit that did this need to rot in prison for a very long time

[TheDebbieDee]

48. Not going to watch the video, but is there any chance

that those in the video may believe they are acting out a movie scene? Is it possible the "victim" has been made up to look physically injured? Perhaps the video was sponsored by US Nazis or White Supremacists in the hopes of starting a race war... More Russian propaganda, perhaps?

Just because an event is depicted on the internet doesn't mean it is a legitimate event, you know... Maybe we should ALL become more discriminating about who or what we allow to push our buttons!

[B2G]

51. Christ

Are you serious?

[Buckeye_Democrat]

67. They drew blood from his scalp with a straight razor (or knife)...

in one part.

I don't think they wanted to seriously hurt him, though. The bullies seemed far more interested in what people were writing about it on Facebook as it streamed!

[HoneyBadger]

76. This sounds like a torture film

They watched too many Eli Roth movies and thought they were real

[B2G]

90. Am I going to do WHAT?

Are you even fucking serious?

[GReedDiamond]

106. That post was one of the most disgusting I've ever seen on DU...

...glad to see it go.

[B2G]

108. Wow. Thanks to whoever alerted

My heart rate is still elevated.

[Dr. Strange]

117. Yeah, that was pretty fucked up.

[Chernobyl]

98. This is just depressing to read ain't it?

[B2G]

102. Very

[jcmaine72]

61. I wouldn't be surprised if either was true.

I still think there's something fishy about this video. However, if it is genuine, my heart bleeds for this young man. Sadly, I fear these types of misdirected acts of blind rage and anger inspired by Trump's theft of the presidency will become a common occurrence in our cities, especially if he's allowed to achieve any of his maniacal agenda.

[riderinthestorm]

66. WTF??! Really?

Watch the video please.

SMDH.

[philosslayer]

70. I agree

Sad so many don't quite get it. We're being played.

[EarthFirst]

49. Link to CPD Presser:

https://twitter.com/Chicago_Police/status/816803232303509504

[yeoman6987]

50. It's all over twitter. I think it will be national news by morning

[B2G]

52. As it should be. Nt

[TheDebbieDee]

82. Sec Clinton's detractors know that if it's Twittered about....

then it must be TRUE!

I don't understand why people can't stop to consider ALL the angles before they believe what they're TOLD!

[KamaAina]

54. There are hate crimes against people with disabilities every single day.

The only reason this one is considered newsworthy is the race angle.

[Ace Rothstein]

58. And the person was tortured in a live streaming video.

[HoneyBadger]

113. At the moment it seems like the victim is innocent

vs drug deal gone wrong, gang related, owed money, etc that you would expect to result in a crime like this.

[HoneyBadger]

62. This is a very strange story

[RedWedge]

63. This thread is an embarrassment.

[Demonaut]

65. those fucks in the video are gonna start a race war

[TheDebbieDee]

99. I disagree. The phucks watching the video are going to start a race war...

Just as the makers of the video planned...

[underpants]

68. Third story on google news.

Yes this will be huge tomorrow.

So sad. Very sad event.

[AngryAmish]

72. "Climate of Hate"

We will be assfucked for this.*

[Buckeye_Democrat]

81. I live near Dayton OH, and I've experienced animosity from some African Americans...

around here for years.

I walked home from a hospital located in a mostly AA community one morning, and there were some black guys who seemed happy to see me bruised, puffy and covered in dried blood. It was very depressing. Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like they would've simply video-recorded me if I'd collapsed on a sidewalk from being light-headed.

At least they didn't assault me too! I was transported by ambulance to the ER because I'd wandered into a redneck/biker bar on a foolish whim the previous night, and I think I ticked off a racist when I didn't agree with his anti-Obama, racist rants. Either that or it was simply a robbery, but I think my contrarian attitude toward the racist played a role in it. I was knocked out from behind soon after I left the bar. (It was the only time that I've been attacked that way in my life.)

What a ridiculous mess! I'd rather not be around any of it!

[Willie Pep]

83. There is a lot of anger in the country right now.

I don't know why politics has gotten to this point but it has. It is very disturbing and bad for the future of this country. I expect political violence to become more common in the next few years. It makes me sad to think about it.

[GP6971]

87. Was just on CBS evening news

the national segment.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

89. Ugh.

I suppose it's worthy of national news, but it's going to be inflammatory for some people.

By the way, I also saw the post-Christmas national news of several brawls/riots in malls around the country. Maybe it wasn't intended to come across that way, but it seemed like the media was acting like it was a new phenomenon.

I decided to Google it from previous years, restricting the search dates between Christmas and Dec. 27th. I stopped after I'd found eight similar examples for both 2015 and 2014. There were probably even more.

2015:
St. Matthews Mall, Louisville KY
Sherwood Mall, Stockton CA
Weberstown Mall, Stockton CA
Patrick Henry Mall, Newport VA
Deptford Center Mall, Deptford NJ
Orange Park Mall, Orange Park FL
Roosevelt Field Mall, Long Island NY
North Riverside Park Mall, North Riverside IL

2014:
Monroeville Mall, Pittsburgh PA
Arden Fair Mall, Sacramento CA
Beachwood Place Mall, Cleveland OH
Chicago Ridge Mall, Chicago IL
Kings Plaza Mall, Brooklyn NY
Wolfchase Galleria Shopping Mall, Memphis TN
Independence Center, Independence MO
Opry Mills Mall, Nashville TN

If this was covered in previous years by national news (CNN and others), then I missed it!

[underpants]

88. You're right -- #BLMkidnapping on Twitter

https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/blmkidnapping

[Initech]

105. There's so much fucking racism there it's absolutely horrifying.

[Quackers]

91. Top story on CNN now. nt

[okieinpain]

92. link

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/black-captors-torture-white-victim-rant-against-trump-cpd-says/

[Jake Stern]

94. I don't know which makes more sick to my stomach

the video or people who right out the gate claim it's faked.


Curious, would DUers question it's authenticity if it were a video of rednecks torturing a special need black man?

[Ace Rothstein]

97. No. The thread would have 500 replies demanding heads on pikes.

[xor]

101. I understand skepticism of anything on the internet

and I can say I personally would be skeptical even in the reverse situation you suggested. Of course, I only speak for myself and not any group as a whole. I'll also say that my skepticism isn't the "I don't believe and never will" type, but rather more of the "let's see what more information comes out over the next few days"

[melman]

115. No

Anyone that suggested that would have their post immediately hidden. At the very least.

[B2G]

95. Some here seem more concerned by the media coverage

Rather than the fact this happened in the first place.

Odd.

[NobodyHere]

100. I think many are concerned by both

It's horrible that this happened but the media coverage could lead to racist copycats or racists looking for revenge.

[B2G]

103. No one seems concerned about those things

When the shoe is on the other foot.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

107. I am.

I think the media is inflammatory both ways.

I don't have an answer for it. I understand why they cover it. The national media has the power to make matters seem worse of better than reality, though. Anecdotes can be made to seem the norm.

[B2G]

111. You are spot on. Nt

[Initech]

104. If we have to acknowledge this is terrorism...

Then they have to acknowledge what's happening in Whitefish as terrorism. Terrorism is not OK under any circumstances.

[NYC Liberal]

110. This thread is fucking disgusting.

[Trust Buster]

112. The hypocrisy within this thread is shameful IMO. If the perpetrators of this hate crime are found

by a jury to be guilty, they should lose THEIR freedom for a long time IMO.

[sarisataka]

114. It's not the only

ugly story tonight...

[JCanete]

118. assuming this is true, I would say the take-away is that escalated violence and cruelty is what you

get when you have people in leadership advocating for cruelty and violence-- you get it from those who would happily persecute and from those who react in kind to the face of persecution...and all of it from some deluded sense of righteousness or justice.

[tenderfoot]

119. May the perps be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

eom

[SaschaHM]

120. Why is #BLMKidnapping trending?

Did they have anything to do with BLM or is twitter just reacting to a heinous crime in a racist way?

[Warpy]

126. Propaganda. These four fine young people had nothing to do with it except lip service

They look like typical losers, focused on a good time over anything else. This is all over the Twitverse because it crosses race lines the opposite way this bullshit usually does. However, right wing bigots love it. If BLM hadn't gotten going, they'd probably be calling it #NAACPKidnapping or something else equally ridiculous.

[pintobean]

122. I applaud admin for the reversal

on this being hidden.

[B2G]

123. Ditto. nt

[Dr. Strange]

124. Agreed.

But why the hell was it hidden in the first place?

[pintobean]

125. My guess is

people don't know the difference between Fox News Chanel and local affiliates.

[Dr. Strange]

127. Fox News Chanel?

Is that that funny-smelling conservative perfume?

[pintobean]

128. Old #7

[Cirque du So-What]

129. Smells like mendacity