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last night the CBS evening news was comparing twitler's use of twits to FDR (Original Post) demtenjeep Jan 2017 OP
"The only things we have to fear stopbush Jan 2017 #1
Don't lose your focus, it's a valid comparison... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #2
Like hell it is.. whathehell Jan 2017 #3
WWJFKT... What Would JFK Tweet. Let's acknowledge that Tweets are a new form of communication KittyWampus Jan 2017 #5
He wouldn't -- at least not in lieu of a press conference.. whathehell Jan 2017 #8
Here's a few shadowrider Jan 2017 #16
You are confusing content with tactics... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #6
This has nothing to do with "moralizing".. whathehell Jan 2017 #9
Thanks for making my point... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #12
I believe you're correct... dhill926 Jan 2017 #14
I didn't make your point, I made my own. whathehell Jan 2017 #15
False equivalency rears it's ugly head again. GeorgeGist Jan 2017 #11
You're confusing medium with message... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #13
he's a product of the media so it's in their interest to promote him spanone Jan 2017 #4
Obama sent out tweets all the time blue cat Jan 2017 #7
I doubt if either one ever spoke to America while sitting on the crapper. lpbk2713 Jan 2017 #10

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
1. "The only things we have to fear
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:56 PM
Jan 2017

"are half of the American people, who are my enemies, our corrupt intelligence services that have colluded to say bad things about me, horrible Obamacare - which is responsible for saving the lives of many of my enemies - and any government progam whose funds cannot be easily diverted to the pockets of patriotic Republican businessmen."

Yep, I guess Trump is just like FDR...

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
2. Don't lose your focus, it's a valid comparison...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:02 PM
Jan 2017

in the sense the most of the big political uprisings and changes over the last 150 years or so have occurred shortly after the release of new technology in the means of producing and disseminating information.

Our own Revolution was immensely helped by the proliferation of printing presses, and the number of newpapers and political tracts being produced and read.

In the 1800's it was railroads and the telegraph that Lincoln used to win the Civil War.

For Hitler, it was command of the radio waves and the emerging use of audio tape that helped him release speeches and talks in numerous towns simultaneously. Luckily for us, FDR commanded the same techology and used it to actually help our nation stave off fascism for a few years.

TV brought us the Kennedy/Nixon debates, Watergate, and eventually resulted in Reagan's election.

Trump is our first true internet/twitter/social media president. He's a disgusting putz, but he knows how to take advantage of the media available to him. Much like the war college studies the maneuvers of the Germans in WWII, where they had enormous military success before the allies learned how to win, we need to study the strategy, tactics, and technology of our opponents to counter their actions.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
3. Like hell it is..
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:10 PM
Jan 2017

I can assure you that both FDR's fireside chats and JFK's television appearances were longer and more substantive than one of Trump's tweets.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
5. WWJFKT... What Would JFK Tweet. Let's acknowledge that Tweets are a new form of communication
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:15 PM
Jan 2017

available to use in warfare and politics and also that Trump is using it to great effect for his own benefit.

shadowrider

(4,941 posts)
16. Here's a few
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 08:23 PM
Jan 2017

FDR (Tweet): The japs attacked us. We're going to kick their ass.

Kennedy (Tweet): Russia wants ICBM's in Cuba? We're going to kick their ass.

Truman (Tweet): The japs want us to invade? Watch this.

140 characters cut right to the heart of whatever is being discussed, good, bad or indifferent.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
6. You are confusing content with tactics...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:22 PM
Jan 2017

FDR and JFK were both attempting to sway public opinion, just like Trump is trying to do. Their job is harder, because it is easier to instill fear and hatred than to inspire people to do good things, in any medium. Trump is trying to morph his position as "King of Tweets" or King Twit into an authoritarian presidency. Our job is to stop him.

Much like any treatment for disease or addiction, moralizing usually doesn't help, it just confuses the issue. Instead of over emphasizing what he is saying, focus on how he is saying it and how we can work to counter it. Just counter-attacking is inadequate, because we are then fighting on his turf. We need to learn to fight back effectively.

Rants may lead to short term better feelings. They don't affect folks like Trump and his supporters, who take as a badge of pride that they don't care what we think about them.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
9. This has nothing to do with "moralizing"..
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:39 PM
Jan 2017

It's about a lack of substance...You simply can't deliver it in 165 characters. To some degree the medium still IS the message.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
12. Thanks for making my point...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:56 PM
Jan 2017

The OP was wailing that it was somehow wrong to compare FDR fireside chats with Trump tweets. I didn't see the show he was referring to, so I can't comment on that.

But the truth is, as you say, the important thing right now is that Trump has used a new technology for distributing information to his advantage and we need to learn how to counter that if liberalism is to survive. We have the superior message, I'm sure we can agree with that. How do we make people listen? Obviously, flooding the old technology didn't work well enough.

Studying our opponents is basic Sun Tzu. We can't counter them if we don't understand or even admit that they found and used a tactical advantage. There are certainly several other areas where we got out-foxed that need work, too, but this is pretty big.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
13. You're confusing medium with message...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 02:00 PM
Jan 2017

It's not about what was said, it is about how it is distributed. We need to counter the twitter wars.

blue cat

(2,415 posts)
7. Obama sent out tweets all the time
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:26 PM
Jan 2017

But is wasn't the only way he communicated so the comparison is full of shit.

lpbk2713

(42,759 posts)
10. I doubt if either one ever spoke to America while sitting on the crapper.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:51 PM
Jan 2017



This is the difference between how Trump and the others regard their fellow Americans.


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