About the Chicago kidnap/torture/video: Help me to understand

[MichMary]

This thing was live-streamed on Facebook. He may have been held for at least 24 hours. And no one--NO ONE--who watched that video and the heinous acts being perpetrated on a disabled person thought to call the police??

What is wrong with people?

[guillaumeb]

1. A total lack of empathy.

Like that lack of empathy demonstrated by the GOP that is eager to deny healthcare to millions under the label of freedom.

[MichMary]

2. What happens in a person's life

that makes them lose their humanity?

[guillaumeb]

5. Perhaps being treated as less than human.

And knowing that they have no prospects for anything better.

And I do not say this to excuse what they are accused of doing. There is absolutely no excuse. But people are shaped by their environment.

[NWCorona]

8. I agree with that. If people constantly hear that they won't be shit

Soon enough they will start to believe it.

[guillaumeb]

12. One of the results of systematic racism and extreme inequality.

Who could have imagined that 400 years of being treated as less than human could have had a bad result?

[NobodyHere]

29. Bull fucking shit

History did not make these deplorables torture anyone. They did it with their own free will.

[guillaumeb]

49. Are you a product of your environment?

Or were you unaffected by where you grew up and how you were treated?

[NobodyHere]

56. I know I have free will

I never tortured anyone and filmed it for Facebook

[guillaumeb]

57. That makes two of us.

And as I said upthread, nothing excuses what they did. But growing up in an environment where you are treated as worthless cannot help with socialization.

[MichMary]

14. Not sure that's true in this case

I checked out the girl's FB page--NOT to see the video, but to read the hateful comments left by RW creeps. From the pics, it looks like she lives in a college dorm. That doesn't say "no prospects" to me.

[guillaumeb]

16. Agreed. I posted a link to the Chicago Tribune story. eom

[NWCorona]

18. That is even worse... Maybe it's a group home?

[MichMary]

20. Could be

I didn't linger on her page. The hateful comments made me want to go and watch puppy videos.

[NWCorona]

22. I'm just sticking to news print. I will probably never watch the video

The description is enough for me.

[xor]

58. Maybe drugs?

I'm not talking about pot, but I've seen drugs like meth totally change people. Throw stuff like that into poverty and a sense of hopelessness, and you end up with a mess. You end up with people who don't care who end up raising people who don't care. So you have external and internal pressures that keep the whole thing going.

[Warren DeMontague]

62. There's a bottle of vodka visible in the video.

You want to talk about drugs that numb people and can make them unempathic assholes, booze is certainly on the list.

But when people are assholes, the ultimate blame resides with the people themselves AFAIAC- no matter what they're on.

[underthematrix]

3. Excuse me. A mentally disturbed vindictive idiot

will take office on Jan 20th. Those are the same people who watched it and did not call police.

[hexola]

4. Do you have a source claiming nobody called the police?

I haven't heard that, one way or another...

And we don't know how many friends she has...so who knows how many people, if any actually saw it.

Do these FB live streams automatically play? (I have auto play video disabled)

[MichMary]

15. Well, if someone had called

he probably wouldn't have been held for at least 24 hours. (That 24 hours is taken from the CNN article.)

[NWCorona]

6. There was another story about a guy abducted and tortured at a trap house

And there were tons of people who saw the guy tied up and they didn't say shit. Some people are heartless.

[MichMary]

21. +1 nT

[WillowTree]

7. Do we know that no one called the police?

[hexola]

11. Sounds more like an assumption at this point...

I've only read about this - not sure it came up in the presser.

[scscholar]

60. If someone called them and they decided to not act...

then that is even worse. I prefer to think that no one called them.

[sarisataka]

9. According to a noticeable portion of DU

This either never really happened or it was staged. Since we like to think of ourselves as the people of higher standards, is it so hard to believe no one in the general public would bother to get involved

[guillaumeb]

10. Here is a link from the Chicago Tribune

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-trump-cursed-man-attacked-facebook-video-20170104-story.html

[MichMary]

19. Technical question

I read the article, and it does say that the police found the FB video. Couldn't that have been traced to the location where it was uploaded, and found him sooner?

[guillaumeb]

25. I am not the one to answer that type of question.

I am certain someone more technically adept can/will answer.

[xor]

59. From a technical perspective that's for sure possible.

It would require going through a couple organizations to piece it all together, though. They'd have to go through facebook and then to the provider of the connection (likely a cellular) If they have GPS data then it's pretty easy, but if not then I could see being a bit more difficult to get a precise location just relying on something like triangulation. Although if they were at location and using its wifi, then that would get rid of the precise location problem. I'm curious if anyone with direct experience can add some knowledge to this. Such as how easy it is to get this information from companies like facebook and various service providers.

[Chernobyl]

13. It's Facebook Live, it may have only been broadcast to a small group of friends any

followers of the suspect so it may not have been viewed by many people live. The video was later uploaded to social media like Youtube and that's when it went viral.

The cold hard truth is that most of the people watching live may have perfectly been fine with what they were seeing take place, they are after all friends with the suspect(s).

[MichMary]

17. Gotcha

I really don't understand all the social media possibilities. I'm just very glad it didn't exist when I was a teenager.

[RandiFan1290]

23. Certain DUers seem more upset with this

than they were with the Dylann Roof shooting in South Carolina.


Illuminating

[philosslayer]

24. I noticed the exact same thing.

[RandiFan1290]

27. You're not fooling anyone. nt

[RelativelyJones]

51. +1

[sarisataka]

31. Refresh my memory

When that shooting happened did anyone here deny it took place or claimed it was a false flag operation?

Or perhaps you can explain why people shouldn't be upset about this. And I don't give half a flying rat fuck what races are involved. Torture is evil.

[Chernobyl]

32. Some of us weren't members of this forum when the SC Church shooting took place

but I bet there were quite a few less deniers claiming that Dylann Roof was part of some conspiracy and that the shooting was simply a political stunt.

Frankly, some of the comments I've seen here about this horrendous kidnapping and torture story have been downright depressing and hard to believe. Nobody here denies that Dylann Roof deserves double whatever this jury comes back with and then some.

[heaven05]

40. of course

no surprise here....always has been this way....the victim was white....alleged perps black...Nat Turner syndrome is heavy sometimes.

[Ace Rothstein]

42. Care to point any out?

I don't remember anyone not being upset by the Roof murders.

[Renew Deal]

55. Certain DUers seem less upset with this

than they were with the Dylann Roof shooting in South Carolina.


Illuminating

[romanic]

65. Kinda hurts

When you have to defend a narrative and pit horrible acts of violence against each other and try to see which one is more deserving of replies.

Shameful, absolutely shameful.

[hexola]

26. It was reported the perps were TEXTING the parents during the assult.

So - somebody was aware...at some point.

He was already reported missing...

[hexola]

28. From the ChiTrib article above

He had been reported missing Monday by his parents who said he disappeared after they dropped him off at a McDonald's in Streamwood on Saturday, according to police. The man apparently met someone he considered a friend, and then got involved with a group of people who stole a van from Streamwood.

Streamwood police said the parents began getting text messages from someone "claiming to be holding him captive." As Streamwood officers investigated the texts, they "discovered Facebook video depicting (the man) being verbally and physically abused."

Streamwood investigators were soon contacted by Chicago police saying they had found the man who had been reported missing, police said. Soon after that, officers were called to a home in the 3300 block of West Lexington about 5:25 p.m. and found signs of a struggle and property damage that they linked to the attack, according to police.

[MichMary]

35. Can't imagine what it was like for the parents

knowing their vulnerable child was being held, and wondering what he was going through.

[NWCorona]

30. The two women who were arrested are sisters. It just keeps getting worse

[MichMary]

38. I feel sorry for their parents, too

They probably are better aware than their daughters what they've just brought down on themselves.

Now, their girls are probably going to prison for a significant portion of their youth, and the parents will incur thousands of dollars in legal expenses to defend them.

[HoneyBadger]

41. Don Lemon blamed bad home training

Which is a dog whistle that means parents. That video will come up every single time someone meets them for the rest of their lives.

[MichMary]

44. Yup, for sure

It's much more likely a group mentality kind of thing. Read about that in relation to a Michigan case maybe 15 years ago, where a woman was assaulted and killed by a group of men after a fender-bender. Apparently, people feel less culpable if they are one of many, rather than individuals. Something like that.

[cwydro]

47. Let them rot in jail.

This is inexcusable.

[NWCorona]

48. No excuses given. The bed has been made

[cwydro]

50. Yes.

And that video will be around forever.

[NWCorona]

53. The ones I feel bad about are her kids and of course the victim and his family

This is why I tell my kids to be careful of who they trust. Friends aren't always friends.

[JI7]

33. do we know how many people saw it ?

[MichMary]

36. No

someone explained to me that it may have been to just a very limited number of close, trusted friends, and that it didn't go viral til it was posted on you tube.

[heaven05]

39. Well hate is all

the media has spread from the new fuhrer, steve bannon and their followers for the last 18months or so and being a racist is openly touted now as normal speech and behavior, so what can be expected? And I BET this shit hasn't even kicked off yet. So buckle up for a very bumpy ride for however long it lasts.

[MichMary]

43. Please tell me you're not

trying to justify this?

You are right about the hatred and racism, but what did this poor young special needs person who apparently considered one the kidnappers a friend, do to deserve this?

[heaven05]

46. of course not, this kid DID NOT deserve this treatment

yet I stand by my belief that this type of outrage on both sides of the color line hasn't even kicked in yet. Jan 20th will be the second shot of this countries 2nd Civil War. The first was the election of an openly racist, sexist con man as POTUS. That's the disgrace. The outrage.

These young people were wrong and will get what's coming to them and won't be no burger king for them or year long trials.

[Jake Stern]

54. Other than them saying "Fuck Trump", Trump and Bannon have NOTHING to do with this.

These four are monsters all on their own.

[heaven05]

64. believe what you must

to stay in your comfortable place. Trump and bannon will be responsible for a hell of a lot more than this tragedy. These four should face prison time. This kid with disabilities deserved none of this. That said, buckle up for a rough ride next 4-four years. Trump and bannon will be responsible for EVERYTHING that happens. AmeriKKKans voted for hate and misery. They will receive what they wish for.

[cwydro]

45. Yup.

Welcome to america

[Warpy]

52. You don't know that. This is a developing story

and other information will slowly come out.

[WillowTree]

61. It occurs to me that even if someone did report it immediately / while it was happening.....

.......it would have taken the police time to figure out who it was and where it was happening for them to do something about it. We can't really know for sure, but I really doubt that the CPD dropped the ball on this. It's just too gruesome.

[Warren DeMontague]

63. Some people suck.