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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 05:07 PM Jan 2017

Proof that the GOP knows its replacement plan won't be as good as Obamacare:

they are rushing to repeal Obamacare first.

Because they know that if voters could compare Trumpcare and Obamacare side-by-side, voters would want to stick with the ACA.

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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. For years, the House only worked 3 days a week under Boehner.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 05:14 PM
Jan 2017

They had plenty of time to work on a terrific replacement. Too busy raising money.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. I admit there needs to be improvement like all states has to accept the Medicaid to
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 05:32 PM
Jan 2017

Provide equal access to reduced premiums to all citizens. Curtailing some of the healthcare costs would be smart, getting pharmacy costs in line with the rest of the world would be an improvement. Just voting to repeal ACA has not cut the cost not has it insured everyone.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
3. Don't exclude the people who think the ACA and Obamacare are two different bills.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 05:40 PM
Jan 2017

I wish I was joking but there are a lot of people out there who think they are two separate things. The ACA is all the good things they like while Obamacare is all the bad things they don't like.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. As ridiculous as that sounds, I'll bet a nickel it's 100% true
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 06:18 PM
Jan 2017

I'm spending my time reminding people that any of the problems with the Affordable Care Act have been out there for a few years, and Congress did exactly zip-a-dee-doo-dah to fix any of it, preferring to see citizens suffer than to do anything about it. I point out that Medicaid expansion, a requirement of the original Act, was made optional thanks to Republican lawsuits and a Supreme Court decision ceding that authority to the states. If your state refused the Medicaid expansion money, it was because your governor and your legislature made that decision.

Yeah, the ACA has problems; major legislation always has a gap between the legislative intent and real world workings. The Republican-controlled Congress could see those problems as well as anyone: did they lift a finger to fix any of it? They did not. If you're mad about the ACA, make sure you're mad at the right people.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
4. their problem is that obamacare *is* the right-wing replacement plan.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 05:47 PM
Jan 2017

it was created by the right-wing heritage foundation as an conservative, market-based alternative to the "liberal" plans at the time, namely "hillarycare" and medicare-for-all.

obamacare passed in part because obama triangulated and essentially co-opted the right-wing solution, thus avoiding the wrath of the insurance industry and other political problems the clintons faced when they tried to reform healthcare in the 90s.


republicans then opposed obamacare for purely political reasons, not ideological ones. in the end, it looks like they won politically, but now they're left without an alternative because in truth they never really had an ideological problem with obamacare.

in an alternate universe, a president mclame or rmoney might have passed obamacare by a different name and republicans would have thought it was the greatest thing ever.


now all they can really do is change the window dressing and claim it's an entirely different program, when in fact it will really be remarkably similar. they don't have any real alternative.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
6. No, their new plan won't be remarkably similar. It will be much worse,
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 06:04 PM
Jan 2017

because it amounts to saying: "if you can't find a policy in your own state, you can buy one from some other state." That and allowing under 26's to stay on their parents' policies.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
9. we'll see.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 06:27 PM
Jan 2017

one thing is for sure, the policy won't inform the politics much. whatever the results, however many people lose insurance, however much more we pay, however much our overall health deteriorates, however worse it is, the media and republicans will be cheering how much "better" it is than obamacare.

dubyadiprecession

(5,714 posts)
5. If anyone truly believes they are going to replace Obama care with something better...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 05:48 PM
Jan 2017

I have a bridge i would like to sell them.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
7. If they want to actually make it a better system than the ACA gonna mean more gov't spending
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 06:11 PM
Jan 2017

Not less.

I say Dems come back with a 5% tarriffs on imports and use it to further subsidize premiums, allow bargaining for drug prices and that will do it.

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