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mcar

(42,334 posts)
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 08:41 PM Jan 2017

HOW EDWARD SNOWDEN SABOTAGED THE WAR ON TERRORISM

Anyone here still think this git is a hero?

http://www.newsweek.com/edward-snowden-undermined-war-terrorism-edward-epstein-539066

...He did vastly more harm by revealing the reach of the PRISM program, which was extraordinarily effective because militant organizations in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan believed the encryption and other safeguards used by internet giants such as Apple, Google, Twitter and WhatsApp protected their communications. They evidently did not know the NSA could intercept data before it was encrypted. Despite metaphors such as the cloud and cyberspace, all data on the internet initially travels through fiber cables, almost all of which run through the United States and the Bahamas. That includes tweets, social media postings, Skype conversations and even Xbox messages.

According to the documents Snowden made public on June 6, 2013, PRISM was, as U.S. intelligence put it, “the number one source of raw intelligence used for NSA analytic reports.” General Michael Hayden, who was the NSA director during the three years following the 9/11 attack, wrote that these surveillance powers, among other things, “uncovered illicit financing networks, detected suspect travel, discovered ties to aviation schools, linked transportation employees to associates of terrorists, drew connections to the illicit purchases of arms, tied U.S. persons to [9/11 mastermind] Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and discovered a suspect terrorist on the no-fly list who was already in the United States.”

Both NSA and FBI officials have testified that PRISM helped thwart at least 45 terrorist attacks between 2007 and 2013, including a plot to put high explosives on the subways under New York City’s Grand Central Station and the Times Square subway station at rush hour.

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HOW EDWARD SNOWDEN SABOTAGED THE WAR ON TERRORISM (Original Post) mcar Jan 2017 OP
Anyone here think that allowing US intelligence agencies to spy on all of us is a good idea? eom guillaumeb Jan 2017 #1
No. They do not have the right to spy on us. Equinox Moon Jan 2017 #11
Agreed. He shed light on an issue, the issue of spying on everyone, guillaumeb Jan 2017 #20
I remember when whistle blowers... Else You Are Mad Jan 2017 #2
They weren't whistle blowers hack89 Jan 2017 #5
How are they not whistle blowers? nt Else You Are Mad Jan 2017 #6
They made no attempt to obey the whistle blower law hack89 Jan 2017 #7
Yes mcar Jan 2017 #10
Snowden didn't want to go to jail for the rest of his life, which he almost certainly would have JCanete Jan 2017 #13
When the US supports coups, overthrows, armed rebels, etc, we need these things. Because... Mika Jan 2017 #3
Yep still a hero HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #4
Fuck Snowden, Snowden lives in Russia after giving intel to Chinese media & our elections get hacked uponit7771 Jan 2017 #8
Yep mcar Jan 2017 #9
Exactly.. FO eddie.. too bad you're stuck in russia. Cha Jan 2017 #17
Yup gulliver Jan 2017 #19
He didn't sabotage it, he made it self aware. Initech Jan 2017 #12
Yeah, he did. Cha Jan 2017 #18
People who act according to their conscience... bhikkhu Jan 2017 #14
Yeah, snowden didn't give a shite about our Country.. engineered to Cha Jan 2017 #15
yes! I do still think so. What a surprise that our intelligence agencies would present him JCanete Jan 2017 #16
were terrorists that stupid.... eniwetok Jan 2017 #21

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
20. Agreed. He shed light on an issue, the issue of spying on everyone,
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 12:41 PM
Jan 2017

that seems to be a rare point that enjoys bipartisan support.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
2. I remember when whistle blowers...
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 08:55 PM
Jan 2017

Were heroes. Now, they are treated like criminals. See how Manning and Snowden have been treated.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
7. They made no attempt to obey the whistle blower law
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 10:06 PM
Jan 2017

For one thing. In Snowden's case he had contract with foreign intelligence agencies. In Manning's case she indiscriminately gave Assange classified information she never read.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
13. Snowden didn't want to go to jail for the rest of his life, which he almost certainly would have
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 01:05 AM
Jan 2017

had he tried to do the right thing right here at home. That hardly makes what he did less important.

And fuck any reading on this that says that its' the whistlebolower's fault that anti-terrorism gets fucked up after they did the dirty shit in the first place that resulted in it happening.

Don't break the fucking laws, government. What is hard to understand about that?
 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
3. When the US supports coups, overthrows, armed rebels, etc, we need these things. Because...
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 09:03 PM
Jan 2017

... we're the good guys.








uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
8. Fuck Snowden, Snowden lives in Russia after giving intel to Chinese media & our elections get hacked
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 10:31 PM
Jan 2017

... Fuck Snowden

Initech

(100,079 posts)
12. He didn't sabotage it, he made it self aware.
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 12:48 AM
Jan 2017

Donald Trump won. The terrorists won. The white supremacists are coming out of the woodwork. What's coming in Whitefish is just the beginning. Things are going to get a lot worse as the next 4 years go on. 9/11 is going to be a blip because Trump is continuing to throw the intelligence community under the bus.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
14. People who act according to their conscience...
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 01:07 AM
Jan 2017

sometimes things go wrong, but I don't judge them.

Cha

(297,275 posts)
15. Yeah, snowden didn't give a shite about our Country.. engineered to
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 01:12 AM
Jan 2017

Russia by greenwald and assange.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
16. yes! I do still think so. What a surprise that our intelligence agencies would present him
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 01:12 AM
Jan 2017

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in a bad light. BTW..that was sarcasm incase it was missed.

eniwetok

(1,629 posts)
21. were terrorists that stupid....
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 01:13 PM
Jan 2017

Were terrorists that stupid to use methods that weren't end to end encrypted?

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