Why isn't HRC on every tv station screaming bloody murder? Don't tell me DEMS are too polite.

[jodymarie aimee]

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So today it is confirmed without a doubt, Russia elected Cheeto. I don't get why we roll over and accept it a if it is normal. Why isn't HRC not on every tv station screaming bloody murder? And don't tell me DEMs are too polite. And how about President Bill Clinton? Why are we not fighting for our country? Why are we letting Russia determine the result of a presidential election? And giving us a psychopath....our country has never looked so damn dumb.

[Different Drummer]

1. Kickeroo & Rec. n/t

[RKP5637]

2. If I say what I've said before my post will be hidden. n/t

[SidDithers]

3. If you can't say here what you believe...

then why post here?

Sid

[RKP5637]

8. I often wonder why I bother, really! n/t

[sarah FAILIN]

9. +1

We need a sub basement past the underground to be able to discuss some things I guess.

[RKP5637]

17. Often when members are critical of democrats posts gets hidden.

Why should we have to assume everything is always perfect just because someone is a democrat. I stay with DU because to me it's the best thing going, but often I think democrats could be significantly more outspoken.

If the democrats were doing some of the things Trump and his regime are doing now, the GOP would be screaming all over the place, and loudly.

I don't like things that way, but this GOP regime we have now is significantly atypical and must be significantly dealt with.

I'm concerned this country is going through such a major transformation recovery will be difficult and so many of in the population of the US are consistently so information limited.

[Eleanors38]

100. Getting hidden is MY department, sir/madam. Sarcasm does it everytime. That & guns.

[RKP5637]

128. ...

[wordpix]

103. there are Congressional Dems making noise but we cannot depend on them alone

Make some noise yourself. I'm suing my R town over an environmental matter, for example, and self-representing b/c otherwise I could not afford to go to court. It's just something I can do as a patriot who is sick and tired of our gerrymandering, vote suppressing, environmentally destructive R billionaire overlords.

Just do it.

[RKP5637]

129. Agree!!! We have to start taking much of it into our own hands! n/t

[stuffmatters]

131. Excellent and inspiring!

[oldtime dfl_er]

4. HRC

doesn't owe us a thing, nor does Bill.

Currently elected officials, senators and representatives, as well as leaders of the party, should be shrieking. I don't know why they aren't. It pisses me off.

[klook]

26. No, HRV.

She's secretly married to Bobby Vinton.

Hillary Rodham Vinton. Believe me.



All kidding aside, I agree with you that public officials of every stripe should be sounding the alarm, big time. This level of corruption and scandal is an outrage that's being treated as a ho-hum event. Truly mind boggling.

[FrodosNewPet]

33. Perhaps she should have worn more blue velvet?

She might have beaten that orange jackass?

[Rorey]

53. LOL, I needed that laugh!

And these days, I appreciate every opportunity I get to laugh.

I was listening to music earlier and said to my husband, "I wonder if Putin will let us continue to have music." He thought I was kidding.

[bdamomma]

36. That is true I am going to hold my elected officals

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to be accountable and to fight like hell. I have already called my Rep and left a message.

[wordpix]

104. they are making noise. See my post 103

[NYETNYET]

109. because...

The DNC was hacked and info made public. The RNC was hacked and not made public. Everyone is wondering why the 'right' is defending Putin. Simple... can you say BLACKMAIL? Look at the leaders and peons of that party. Does anyone even begin to believe they are walking in the light. All it would take is a 'hack and release'. Get everything out in the open.

[ffr]

5. It's even worse. Fox News and RW M$M rebroadcast many of the Kremlin's fake stories

It's right in the report, page 14. Want to feel vindicated for voting for HRC? Imagine how you'd feel if you were on the other side, hoodwinked into believing falsehoods and contributing to your country's downfall.

Where have you seen these RT headlines before?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028439946

[woodsprite]

125. It'll take a 2x4 between the eyes before Trump & Co supporters realize or admit that. n/t

[elleng]

6. Congress couldn't do it,

not one Senator could. Something in the water?

[MADem]

7. Someone shot up an airport and the news cycle got all CYCLOPS on that story.

They focused their one bloodshot eye on that issue and nothing else.

Who's HRV?

Do you mean HRC?

She's not the leader of the Democratic Party--it's on Schumer and Pelosi, et.al, to carry the flag forward.

[wordpix]

106. Schumer's demeanor last time I heard him speak was too conciliatory, IMO

It was so unremarkable, I can't remember what he said.

But the previous week, he was interviewed on MSNBC (Rachel?) and he was better. He said the R's are so out of whack with no ACA replace plan that they will have some trouble. However, he did not say the obvious: if the R's control SCOTUS with Trump justices, that's a different story b/c the R's would then have total control of every governmental branch.

[LisaM]

10. Because no one would have her back. We've all failed her.

Even as one of her staunchest supporters, I feel that I failed her. I didn't stand up for her enough. I wasn't brave enough. She's probably tired of the crap and I don't blame her.

[Hekate]

35. +1. Indeed, who will have her back?

[bdamomma]

41. She won the popular vote

but in any other country it is "the vote" and not the ELECTORAL COLLEGE. Again the electoral college has to go.

[wordpix]

107. screwed by the EC so what can she/we do except take each wave as it comes?

and do right work however we can

[NBachers]

47. The Blame Hillary faction is feeling emboldened tonight.

[tavernier]

11. Enough of us have to want to keep our country

It's as simple as that.

HRC is not at fault.

It's beginning to appear that we are not in the majority.

[RKP5637]

18. Sadly, that's what I'm beginning to think too, many Americans like the Trump regime and Putin

control. I often ask myself, WTF has happen to the country I grew up in. It appears the brainwashing is so deep and pervasive that strings pulled work effectively against all logic and truths.

[2naSalit]

30. Well, some food for thought...

with so many glued to some kind of screen, subliminal messaging is sure to be a useful tool in shaping the views of those unaware of the dangers of total distraction.

[livetohike]

12. Where are the Democratic Senators? Why didn't they speak out today when

the electoral votes were accepted? Can't have a movement with no leadership.

[RKP5637]

19. Same questions here too! n/t

[Squinch]

22. This is what I am wondering. Shouldn't Bernie have stood up and been the Senator that was

needed? Where is he?

[Hekate]

40. Indeed. Where is the leader of the Revolution? Hillary's political career is d e a d....

...and some folks don't know whether to keep celebrating that fact or switch completely to blaming her for TrumPutin's interference and its aftermath.

[Fearless]

48. There is no point to fighting with the illegitimate electors

The Trump camp just installs new ones that vote for him anyways. It is as Joe Biden said, "over".

[Squinch]

71. Then why are we yelling at "HRV" for not doing whatever it is she's supposed to be doing?

Especially since she no longer has any standing.

And yes there is a point. Trump will do what he will do. Every one of his transgressions should be brought to the brightest light that is available. Bernie, if he were truly looking for revolution, should have put his name out as the Senator that was needed. He DOES have standing, and yet I don't see him doing anything.

I'm not saying he is the only one who could have done it, but given the message that he says he is pushing, he certainly should have done it.

[NBachers]

49. As if things weren't bad enough already . . . the Thanks, Hillary meme gets resurrected.

[True_Blue]

52. Great question!

Has he commented at all on this Russian coup?

[Eleanors38]

76. I imagine his schedule is full, since the rest of us defaulted to him.

The rest of us leave pools of dirty yellow water, then bitch at Bernie for not scheduling in our pet tough-guy issue, like he's supposed to carry the slop bucket in lieu of our own juice.

[orleans]

55. really good question

now, was that report released before or after those votes were accepted?
probably after, but weren't the senators in the know by the time they were having their electoral voting party?

[AngryAmish]

13. HRV

My sides.

[Binkie The Clown]

14. Right out of the Democratic play book: "Roll over. Play dead." n/t

[Alice11111]

27. Yep! Yep!

[Eleanors38]

77. When you are house-broken, you tend to do that. Or call on Sanders.

Apparently Bernie is the only one with the juice. Jeeez, no wonder he is hated by some around here.

[Nay]

81. Unfortunately true. Trained by their overlords, the 1%. nt

[Bleacher Creature]

15. Isn't that a type of Honda?

If so, it can't scream.

[jodymarie aimee]

16. HRC..sorry, that's how upset I am

Clintons certainly DO owe us something. They are still Americans. They still are still Democrats. They are still respected leaders in our party. They have power you and I do not have. It is mind boggling to me. And an interview with them would blow the FL shooting and Arnold Schwartz off the front burner. Think of that crazy loon Putin watching this and laughing his butt off....he won, and DEMs look like dopes.

[RKP5637]

20. No doubt Putin is laughing his ass off and the GOP is making toasts to their success. n/t

[Boomerproud]

21. What power do they have?

HRC (and Bill as well) have been through hell and back and will be hated even after they are buried. A lot of Bill's wounds were self-inflicted, but Hillary has been the national punching bag since 1992. I would not blame her a bit if she gave the entire country the huge middle-finger salute with a big cheesy grin on her face.

[Squinch]

23. No. She certainly DOESN'T owe you anything. She is a private citizen. She was rejected

by Americans as their leader. She gets to do whatever she wants now. And she gets to stay off the world stage, if that is what she chooses.

[bdamomma]

42. that's true she is a private citizen

and she can stay away. she was totally devastated and cheated by a pu**y grabber.

[oldtime dfl_er]

68. Rejected?

65 million Americans beg to differ.

[Squinch]

72. And I am one of them, but the fact is that we are not enough to have gotten her into

the white house, and now all those who were crying "revolution" in the past seem to be lying down and accepting what is truly a revolution, but one whose aim was to hand Putin the keys to the kingdom.

And now we have an OP that is blaming Hillary for that when she has no standing and when the sitting Senators, including Bernie, sat on their hands when a true and meaningful protest could have been mounted.

[blue neen]

24. In the words of a very famous Democrat:

"Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country".

[pnwmom]

31. We owed HER our votes. She owes us nothing at this point. n/t

[progressoid]

50. There's a little edit tab on the lower right corner of your OP.

[StevieM]

83. You can edit your post to change HRV to HRC. (eom)

[Grammy23]

25. We've been told over and over since the election that the reason HRC Lost

was because she ran a bad campaign. That the professional campaign managers made bad decisions regarding where and when she would go to speak and meet voters. The pollsters were wrong. All kinds of "reasons" why she lost. And then we were told to GET OVER IT, move on.

And then the stories about Russian hacking started slipping out. Still we were told to get over it. Trump won. She lost. Move on. Accept the results and shut up your whining. It had nothing to do with the outcome.

Today, the Report revealed that hurting HRC's chances at winning the election and therefore enhancing Trump's chances of winning the election were the primary reasons for doing the hacking. Putin wanted her embarrassed and humiliated but mostly he wanted her to lose. He wanted Trump put in place. And apparently he got what he wanted.

So now we sit here in stunned disbelief that what many of us suspected all along is true. And there are many, many questions left unanswered. What connections to Trump did they uncover? Which of Trump's campaign members (ALL of them, including the ones who left before the election) had or have connections to Putin or Russia? What about all the cabinet nominations with ties to Russia?

But the biggest unanswered question in my mind is what is going to be done about the election. This election was not fair and unbiased. We really don't know the full impact of the Russian interference regardless of whether voting machines were hacked or manipulated.

I do not believe the people of the US should accept this situation until the questions are answered. Trump should not be inaugurated as scheduled until we get to the bottom of this debacle. We have only just scratched the surface and the future of our country hangs in the balance. What happens in the next week will have profound impact on all of our futures.

[radical noodle]

29. There can not be a fair election now

It's already poisoned. I wish we could have prevented all this to start with, or reacted differently instead of so many believing all the fake news they made up. But it is what it is and having another vote now would still not make for a fair election.

[radical noodle]

28. If she starts yelling about it

it will change the narrative. Right now it's all about Trump & Putin, if she or Bill says much it will all be them on the news and that's not what we want. We want people to hear this Putin/Trump story over and over and over again. Not "Hillary and Bill say"

JMHO

[Squinch]

73. Good point. Better at this point that his presidency be made as impotent as possible. No

matter what Hillary says, we won't see her in the White House even though we know she should be there.

[pnwmom]

32. It's much much better for the reaction to be coming from an outraged electorate

than from the losing candidate. It would not make our case stronger to have her being the front man.

If any politicians should be out there screaming, it should be Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and other influential Senators and Representatives.

[LeftInTX]

38. Agree

[bdamomma]

51. It should be us

doing the yelling, SILENCE MEANS CONSENT. There is truth in that. Bush v Gore the stupid republicans stole the election and again Kerry vs Bush the repigs trashed Kerry for fighting in the Vietnam War, this is their MO stealing elections cause they crave power and money and don't care about the citizens of the US or even the planet. I wish some sink hole would open and swallow them whole. Move on, is their answer that is total BS. But now there is so much hate and division and all these hate groups, and what is their fucking fascination in Nazism?? They are sick bastards, well I guess they never read, watched or learned about the Holocaust.

Just ranting.

[doc03]

34. HRC and BJC are getting ready for the Inaugurating of the Traitor in Chief. There is no way

in hell they would go to that farce if they have any love for our country.

[radical noodle]

74. Disagree

Again, that would make the whole story about them not attending. Keep focus on Trump. Eyes on the traitor at all times.

[doc03]

75. The Traitor is an illegitimate president and attending his coronation

gives the SOB legitimacy.

[radical noodle]

79. My gut instinct is the same

but I still think we have to keep the focus on him. Call out all the stupid things he does at the inauguration. Make fun of him. Eyes on him 100%. Don't let him get away with anything. The talk would be about Hillary not going blah, blah, blah if she didn't go. We don't want them talking about us, we want them talking about HIM and picking him apart. JMHO

[doc03]

87. The people at Fox will be saying Hillary should

be in prison not at the coronation of Trump. They will be talking about how gracious Trump was for not locking her up.

[radical noodle]

89. That's certainly possible

I don't plan to watch any of it. In fact, we've planned a little weekend getaway to avoid it all and are going somewhere we've wanted to go for quite a while. I just don't want to see it happen.

[doc03]

94. I will not watch it either. Enjoy your getaway. nt

[wordpix]

111. today he did something strange when he came down from the Tower to speak to reporters

There was a young man on the ground floor and Trump started speaking with him, held out his hand to shake, young man holds out his hand and Trump pulls young man into him with this unsmiling, mindless look on his face. Very weird. Anyone see that?

[radical noodle]

130. I didn't see it today

but I saw something similar when he was shaking hands with some folks around Christmas time. It was as though someone gave him something and he put it in his pocket.

[wordpix]

108. are they going, seriously? I would not step near the place

I luckily went to Obama's 2 inaug's way back in the crowd and I had a ticket to the pre-inaug concert and was close enough to see Pres O. and the musicians without even using binoculars.

[uponit7771]

37. DEMS take shot guns to tank fights EVERY FUCKIN TIME !! Fuck the KGOP, scream to mountain tops

... if we had a true leader we would be protesting Benedict Donald by now

[Alice11111]

43. At least RM said, several times, DT LIED! L word!

Why are our elected leaders so timid? The baby bunny rabbits v the hyenas

[uponit7771]

63. Yes ... I wish there was a toon that depicted this because that's is so true

[cannabis_flower]

39. Don't you mean HRC and not HRV in your title?

[True_Blue]

44. Who's going to back her?

So she makes her rounds on the MSM and how do you think they are going to treat her? Who's going to back her? Our lawmakers? The FBI? Anyone on the MSM?

She's been attacked by the right for over 30 years now. I've never seen a woman take so much abuse and yet be so resilient. History will be a lot kinder to her than we were.

[wordpix]

114. she conceded. She's 70 and I'll bet she's tired

This is not the time to for her to lead what might become the Civil War II if repukes won't soon stand up to their own when they do treasonous criminal acts. The first civil war was a long time coming but accelerated when western expansionists wanted to extend slavery and compromises in the territories were not working.

This issue with Trump Putin and the election is similarly important. If DJT is proven to have worked w/Putin to stop Hilary and allow Russian interference in our election, that is treason and a high crime. Also Trump has the IRS audit, 750 people suing him for stiffing them, Apprentice tapes yet to be revealed, etc. that might trip him up.

We are in for a rough road is what I'm saying. We need new leadership.

[herding cats]

45. Assuming you mean HRC, the answer is optics.

Here's a pretty decent read from yesterday in the LA Times which does a much better job than I can explain the matter.

When it comes to challenging Trump on Russia hacking, Democrats should lead from behind

[Beaverhausen]

56. oh for god's sake

[Fearless]

61. That is false.

[True_Blue]

58. Has Bernie commented at all

On Putin's interference into our democracy?

[Fearless]

60. Yes.

[True_Blue]

64. What did he say?

[Hekate]

59. Have I missed the giant rallies & Senate speeches by the crusty old Revolution Leader?

I'm looking for Bernie, and I'm not hearing him educating the "little people" about how the election was rigged in actual fact against his former rival.

[Fearless]

62. Then watch the pundit shows he's frequenting, or his youtube channel which does have the talks

You can't seem to find.

[Eleanors38]

78. Due to leadership vacuum, his schedule is backed up...

Now you want him to lead the revolution which You define, on the schedule You want, and in the order You determine? Isn't there anyone else in the room?

[Hekate]

80. omg you are making my sides hurt. Stop, stop

[Eleanors38]

82. Sometimes the truth makes good comedy.

[Eleanors38]

98. Well, at least I didn't get hidden!

[Hekate]

101. Who got hidden?

[Eleanors38]

102. Me. Twice in 2 days.

[Hoyt]

54. Have they concluded it cost Clinton the election? That might be one reason she's not yelling.

[JHan]

65. The drip of leaks surely did.

Nothing emails were dusted up for scandals - I'll always remember the Catholic one , and a bunch of others that were unremarkable but reported irresponsibly. David Frum has a great article dissecting the way Trump used the leaks to great effect:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/how-trump-made-russias-hacking-more-effective/511880/#article-comments

[Hoyt]

67. Are you talking about the DNC records hacked, that we never should have written or

even thought of for very long. You don't think we hack other country's stuff? We screwed up, let's just except that. As far as as I am concerned, Trump won, at least electoral,.

Now we should focus on getting him when he screws up.

[JHan]

69. Those hacks and the Podesta nonsense but...

the larger issue you raised ( other than us focusing on Trump - which is important ) is interesting...There isn't a world power who hasn't sinned. Every world power deserves comeuppance of one sort or the other. If we can't complain about hacking because of our own sins, at what point do we complain? the threat of physical invasion?

It's difficult to stomach the realities of modern conflict. Spying is necessary, covert operations also occasionally necessary. So motive for our actions, on a case by case basis, is more fruitful. We spied and intervened during WW2 and we've engaged in a policy of nuclear disarmament even when we were the world's only nuclear super power - but we also invaded Iraq. Our bad actions don't cancel the good and vice versa.

In this case, Putin's goals aren't admirable or for any greater good. His intent is to weaken democracies to change the world order. Putin's strategies to sabotage and weaken our alliances concern me. Putin, and other enemies of liberalism, are fighting an ideological battle and we are complacent facing this challenge - many Americans aren't even aware of this, or don't care. Our democracy is far from perfect, and I criticize this country almost everyday, but Russia and the U.S aren't the same by any moral or political calculus. I hope we never get over how abnormal and perverse last year turned out to be..

[uponit7771]

92. FUCK THAT... we don't accept the other world powers sinnig... that's a KGOP FUD meme

[uponit7771]

91. WTF!?!? Victim blaming at its best... we should be focusing on not accepting a stolen election whiel

... we can

[uponit7771]

90. False bar, Russia interfered that's reason enough for a revote

[Hoyt]

93. There will be no revote. At best it will go to Congress to decide. Guess what will happen there.

[uponit7771]

95. A person can sue for revote, this was not a free and fair election... we're promised one throug

... the constitution.

I don't accept there's nothing we can do about this election

[Hoyt]

96. Good luck. If you get a re-election, I'll be the first to eat crow. Of course, a re-election might

just turn out to be like the Wisconsin recount, more votes for Trump. We live in a screwed up country right now where what we think will happen ain't assured.

We lost, and I don't think it was because of Russia.

[wordpix]

117. elections are run by states - I suppose some states could propose a referendum

for re-election. I don't know if there are any Constitutional barriers to that.

[hughee99]

132. Were we promised free and fair elections through the constitution?

I couldn't find it anyway. If I recall, someone proposed such an amendment just recently, but I don't remember it having gone through, though.

https://thevotingnews.com/federal-free-and-fair-elections-amendment-proposed-associated-press/

[wordpix]

115. and from there to the Trumpist SCOTUS

if Trump gets once nominee, we're back to a Scalia court. If Trump gets two nominees, and there are some very old justices who might not be up to the job in the next 4 yrs., we get even worse than a Scalia court. Lest we forget what an ass he was.

[Hoyt]

122. Well aware of that. But as they say, "elections have consequences." We'll be living

with 2, 3, or maybe 4 Trump appointments for decades. With that kind if Court, slavery and debtor's prison might be returning.

[hughee99]

133. Well, in 2 years, we can take back the senate. Nt

[LuvLoogie]

66. TV is a farce. It's time to gather provisions and batten down the hatches.

Most of the people who are wondering over Hillary's alleged inaction and demanding she fling herself into the maw of the unfettered Right, NEVER had her back. NEVER saw her for the fighter she has always been.

Well they can take their psychic shivs and fuck off.

[Stand and Fight]

70. Amen.

[Maven]

84. She took abuse from the left and right for 2 solid years

And yet there are still many on "our side" who deny her legitimacy as our nominee

She's done more than her part. She warned everyone about Russian interference and no one listened and ran with it when it could have made a difference.

The question now is what are WE going to do?

[Squinch]

85. Will you PLEASE fix the headline? Use the edit button and fix it.

[gulliver]

86. Fighting would tear the country apart

Not fighting will allow the country to come together and unify.



I would love to see Hillary come out and just say, "It looks like I won after all."

[tblue37]

88. Check your subject line. When people see "HRV" they won't have a clue what you mean,

and many won't open a thread with an abbreviation that they cannot figure out, because they find mysterious abbreviations annoying.

Although "HRV" is meaningless, most DUers do know who HRC is.

[Stuart G]

97. Yes, I did not know who "HRV"..was/is.......but...

typing the v instead of the c is a mistake people make..cause the v is next to the c..

Not changing the title, wellllllllllllllll........

..I ain't the change police.,.and I don't give no tickets..but it would have saved me time..if it was HRC..

[NCTraveler]

99. What is the leader of our party doing?

Putting this on HRC is crap.

"So today it is confirmed without a doubt, Russia elected Cheeto."

That is a highly inaccurate statement.

[mythology]

105. Because you're making a claim you can't support

There is no evidence that Russia directly changed even a single vote. None. Zero. The report expressly states that they didn't analyze that. Russia leaked information thought to be detrimental to Clinton's chances, but you can't even begin to prove the claim that the Russian efforts were causal to Clinton losing. She was up nationally by 6 points before the second Comey announcement. Then she was ahead by 2.

Just because you really want to believe something, doesn't make it accurate.

[Fix The Stupid]

112. Wow...22 mins and this post still stands...

I'm amazed.

You guys are getting soft....come on and hide this post before someone sees the truth.

[wordpix]

118. re: accuracy, the intel report says the purpose of Russian hacking was to get Trump elected

this meme about Clinton did not lose due to Russian hacking is impossible to prove either way.

[bowens43]

110. why? What would you have her do?

There is NO remedy until he is in office and then the only remedy is impeachment and it isn't going to happen with a republican congress.

[nini]

113. You ask that as if the media would even put her on every TV station

Yes..NO ONE is fighting for anything here.

[ymetca]

116. I imagine it would just appear as sour grapes

and the entire Reich-wing of our Republic would loudly say so, over and over and over, ad infinitum.

Smarter play for HRC is to stay low, and let Don the Con do himself in.

For if he does one tenth of what he says he'll do, the man will be impeached real soon.

In the interim, we get to watch as our federal government implodes for the fun and folly of the Global 1%.

[wordpix]

120. I agree w/"let Don the Con do himself in" but I'm concerned about

resulting and ensuing chaos with Don's chosen henchmen and generals opening the floodgates of who knows what madness?

[ymetca]

127. Yes, it's a real test of our Constitution

Perhaps whole departments of the Executive branch might go on strike.

Imagine thousands of government workers simply refusing one of his edicts, then getting fired. Then suing. Then Congress trying to make it illegal for them to sue. Then it goes to the Supreme Court, with only 8 justices...

[Fast Walker 52]

119. I accept your premise that Dems are too polite, but what specifically should the Dems say

and what would it change?

[wordpix]

121. Dems should be daily making a case for ACA or whatever issue and that includes

lots of Dems, not just the "stars" who are just a tad too cozy with corporate themselves. Do a media blitz in Congress and every state with the highest Dem officials to be found along with experts in health care, gun laws, homeland security, environmental protection, civil rights, etc.

[Fast Walker 52]

124. yes, they should, and it's possible they do that, but that the media doesn't cover it. We are

seriously hobbled by not having a Dem equivalent of Fox news.

[brooklynite]

123. Same reason Obama isn't, Sanders isn't, Warren isn't, Brown isn't...

...because, while Russia interfered, there's no indication that, absent their leaked emails and propaganda, the outcome would have been different.

[KarmaKola]

126. AGREED ! SPOT ON!

Can you even imagine how much Trump would be screaming bloody murder, the election was rigged, etc., if the situation were reversed ?