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orangecrush

(19,556 posts)
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 05:03 PM Jan 2017

Hello Presidency - Goodbye Debt to Russia!

This may be a dupe, but I came across this researching Blackstone - Bayrock group.

I feel it provides a pretty good explanation of Trump's Presidential bid.


"Trump owes Blackstone/ Bayrock group $560 million dollars (one of his largest debtors and the primary reason he won't reveal his tax returns)
Blackstone is owned wholly by Russian billionaires, who owe their position to Putin and have made billions from their work with the Russian government.
Other companies that have borrowed from Blackstone have claimed that owing money to them is like owing to the Russian mob and while you owe them, they own you for many favors.
The Russian economy is badly faltering under the weight of its over-dependence on raw materials which as you know have plummeted in the last 2 years leaving the Russian economy scrambling to pay its debts.
Russia has an impetus to influence our election to ensure the per barrel oil prices are above $65 ( they are currently hovering around $50)
Russia can't affordably get at 80% of its oil reserves and reduce its per barrel cost to compete with America at $45 or Saudi Arabia at $39. With Iranian sanctions being lifted Russia will find another inexpensive competitor increasing production and pushing Russia further down the list of suppliers.
As for Iranian sanctions, the 6 countries lifting them allowing Iran to collect on the billions it is owed for pumping oil but not being paid for it. These billions Iran can only get if the Iranian nuclear deal is signed. Trump spoke of ending the deals which would cause oil sales sanctions to be reimposed, which would make Russian oil more competitive.
Rex Tillerson (Trump's pick for Secretary of State) is the head of ExxonMobil, which is in possession of patented technology that could help Putin extract 45% more oil at a significant cost savings to Russia, helping Putin put money in the Russian coffers to help reconstitute its military and finally afford to mass produce the new and improved systems that it had invented before the Russian economy had slowed so much.
Putin cannot get access to these new cost saving technologies OR outside oil field development money, due to US sanctions on Russia, because of its involvement in Ukrainian civil war.
Look for Trump to end sanctions on Russia and to back out of the Iranian nuclear deal, to help Russia rebuild its economy, strengthen Putin and make Tillerson and Trump even richer, thus allowing Trump to satisfy his creditors at Blackstone."
Sources: Time Magazine, NY Times, The Atlantic, The Guardian UK.

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Hello Presidency - Goodbye Debt to Russia! (Original Post) orangecrush Jan 2017 OP
this is a more concrete angle than email hacking yurbud Jan 2017 #1
True orangecrush Jan 2017 #3
I've never doubted... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #2
his defense of russia is indefensible. makes sense. spanone Jan 2017 #4
so we didn't make peace with adversaries with worse democratic and human rights records like China yurbud Jan 2017 #5

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
1. this is a more concrete angle than email hacking
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 05:11 PM
Jan 2017

even if Russia did hack Hillary and DNC emails, the info released more or less confirmed what people already knew.

The effects of that leaked information is difficult to measure.

However, debt to foreign entities is a lot more concrete and easy to see how it could compromise him.

orangecrush

(19,556 posts)
3. True
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 05:25 PM
Jan 2017

And I believe this is exactly what we are looking at.

Trumps motivations for running for office were not at all political, it is an abberation for him. He has never run for office before.

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)
2. I've never doubted...
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 05:21 PM
Jan 2017

that Trump is ass-deep in debt to Russian interests. All the indicators support that premise.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
5. so we didn't make peace with adversaries with worse democratic and human rights records like China
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 06:08 PM
Jan 2017

in early 70's?

For that matter, aren't we supporting a less democratic and worse human rights abuser right now, Saudi Arabia?

And arming them to boot?

and this in spite of their support for the 9/11 hijackers who killed 3,000 Americans on US soil?

Our government picks and chooses the provocations we respond to.

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