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CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 05:00 PM Jun 2012

The Friday Afternoon Challenge returns with: GLAM Girls!

Here are some swanky women that appear in photographs and paint. You must identify the artist who photographed/painted them. (Don’t worry, you guys get a Glam challenge all your own next month!)

And...let’s not cheat, m‘kay?

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The Friday Afternoon Challenge returns with: GLAM Girls! (Original Post) CTyankee Jun 2012 OP
#4 Mz Pip Jun 2012 #1
wow, it kinda does...but... CTyankee Jun 2012 #2
#5 Mz Pip Jun 2012 #3
Isn't she great? You are correct, Mz Pip! CTyankee Jun 2012 #6
Is 4 Avedon? cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #4
Yup. You know the ad series this was in? And, of course, the subject...? CTyankee Jun 2012 #7
What becomes a Legend Most? Mink. of course librechik Jun 2012 #9
boy, do I remember...BlackGama mink! They were all black mink coats. CTyankee Jun 2012 #10
Hellman. EFerrari Jun 2012 #87
what a face that is! I have always loved that ad... CTyankee Jun 2012 #90
She looks like my mother. And Mom has her terrible attitude, too. EFerrari Jun 2012 #91
glad you liked it! BTW, did you guess Marion Cotillard for #2? CTyankee Jun 2012 #92
No, I sure didn't. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #93
If you can, be sure to see "Midnight in Paris." She is enchanting. CTyankee Jun 2012 #94
Hurley By Leibowitz for #2 n/t HangOnKids Jun 2012 #5
that is interesting. But, it is neither Hurley or Liebowitz... CTyankee Jun 2012 #8
#3 is Joan Crawford librechik Jun 2012 #11
Ya know, Beaton did some really glam shots but this ain't him... CTyankee Jun 2012 #12
Is it George Hurrell? pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #24
Yep, wasn't he wonderful? His stuff is so great... CTyankee Jun 2012 #34
I think so, too...nt joeybee12 Jun 2012 #14
#6 aikoaiko Jun 2012 #13
No, just a little later... CTyankee Jun 2012 #15
The subject doesn't involve enough suffering to be a .... aikoaiko Jun 2012 #19
god, no, not Schiele...this artist had too much fun... CTyankee Jun 2012 #22
#3 is Cecil Beaton's Joan Crawford? Generic Other Jun 2012 #16
good guess but it is not Beaton... CTyankee Jun 2012 #17
George Hurrell then Generic Other Jun 2012 #18
That would be my guess, too Mz Pip Jun 2012 #20
He sure did! Good for you!! CTyankee Jun 2012 #23
He took the most sharp crisp B&W Generic Other Jun 2012 #28
It was that boom light he used...it sure worked great! CTyankee Jun 2012 #30
#6 jberryhill Jun 2012 #21
Not quite getting the hint from you... CTyankee Jun 2012 #25
There are three different hints. jberryhill Jun 2012 #27
Uh, yessss (grew up in East Texas, honey)... CTyankee Jun 2012 #32
Me lo gusta Mucha Degas jberryhill Jun 2012 #37
I'm glad you do! so do I! But this isn't M'sieu Degas' work... CTyankee Jun 2012 #45
I think #6 is by cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #26
doing pretty good here... CTyankee Jun 2012 #33
My visual memory is cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #38
Yep, sounds like the right time and right place to me... CTyankee Jun 2012 #39
Ernst Ludwig Kirchner? Generic Other Jun 2012 #35
I like Kirchner and appreciate his work but this is a different guy... CTyankee Jun 2012 #40
Is that Charlotte Rampling? Ron Green Jun 2012 #29
Oh, no. She's younger than Rampling..quite a beauty... CTyankee Jun 2012 #31
Stab in the dark on #1 RZM Jun 2012 #36
Why do you guess Herb Ritts? CTyankee Jun 2012 #42
Not sure. Just popped into my head n/t RZM Jun 2012 #75
You are correct! CTyankee Jun 2012 #80
what a gorgeous woman Whisp Jun 2012 #85
So porn pictures are now OK? KatChatter Jun 2012 #41
Which ones do you think are pornographic? Cuz I don't see it here... CTyankee Jun 2012 #43
I would have thought the two furs were more controversial! cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #46
well, yeah. Fur and feathers, great stuff... CTyankee Jun 2012 #49
Actually there is an entire fetish sub culture into fur and feathers KatChatter Jun 2012 #53
Please, go on, this is fascinating. jberryhill Jun 2012 #60
well if memory serves KatChatter Jun 2012 #63
But how are those sites different from what you see here? CTyankee Jun 2012 #68
Does it really matter when one man's pornography is another man's art? KatChatter Jun 2012 #48
And the Taliban had always been so good at these Friday challenges before... cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #44
now, now...I really want to know why any of these are considered CTyankee Jun 2012 #47
I doubt the poster was speaking for him/her self cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #51
We have a Winner! KatChatter Jun 2012 #58
Yes, the objectification of women in art is an important consideration CTyankee Jun 2012 #71
but I'm really curious. I really want to know. It's a "way of seeing" that CTyankee Jun 2012 #67
If you really want to understand KatChatter Jun 2012 #78
Thanks. And I agree with what you are saying. CTyankee Jun 2012 #79
i doubt that poster is serious. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #77
Welcome to DU jberryhill Jun 2012 #59
Which "some" would those be? MADem Jun 2012 #82
It's all in the perspective, as I see it. For instance, I have been taking CTyankee Jun 2012 #83
"That knee is too much?" MADem Jun 2012 #84
I dunno. There is a real difference of what is implied and what is explicit. CTyankee Jun 2012 #86
You are a very kind person. nt MADem Jun 2012 #88
not really, but thanks MADem. I appreciate hearing from you! CTyankee Jun 2012 #89
#4 is Richard Boone photographed by Avedon Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #50
OK, folks...I'm going to dinner next door. Back in about an hour... CTyankee Jun 2012 #52
#1 Iman Jones by Peter Beard Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #54
# 6 - Kees van Dongen IcyPeas Jun 2012 #55
You are RIGHT! Kees van Dongen it is! Love this guy... CTyankee Jun 2012 #66
#2 looks like Elizabeth Hurley Kingofalldems Jun 2012 #56
I said the same thing way upthread HangOnKids Jun 2012 #61
Oops, thought I read them all Kingofalldems Jun 2012 #64
#2 Charlotte Rampling by David Bailey Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #57
Some guessed Rampling earlier and CT said no n/t HangOnKids Jun 2012 #62
sadly, i never know enough about art to get any of these right Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #65
I know that this was a bit tough. But I thought folks here would be CTyankee Jun 2012 #69
I don't know who the model is, but the artist for #5 is Tamara de Lempicka Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #70
Yes. Isn't she wonderful? CTyankee Jun 2012 #72
How could you leave out hedgehog Jun 2012 #73
Ah, Madame X. Yes, it is glam to the max, I agree, but alas it is CTyankee Jun 2012 #74
I will post the answers tomorrow in another thread and CTyankee Jun 2012 #76
The Answers are here CTyankee Jun 2012 #81

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
10. boy, do I remember...BlackGama mink! They were all black mink coats.
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 05:40 PM
Jun 2012

and of course it is Hellman, with her usual hauteur and cigarette...gotta love her!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
92. glad you liked it! BTW, did you guess Marion Cotillard for #2?
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:36 AM
Jun 2012

It is amazing to me that no one recognized her!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
94. If you can, be sure to see "Midnight in Paris." She is enchanting.
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:46 AM
Jun 2012

It isn't often I go on and on about an actress (other than Meryl Streep or Jodie Foster). But Cotillard is definitely a cut above the rest. A fine actress and a delight to watch. Her performance in Midnight is just about perfect...

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
24. Is it George Hurrell?
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 05:57 PM
Jun 2012

He was a famous Hollywood glamour photographer who did a lot of work like this.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
23. He sure did! Good for you!!
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 05:57 PM
Jun 2012

Are you familiar with Hurrell's work? He was awfully prolific and he photographed Crawford a helluva lot...

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
21. #6
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 05:55 PM
Jun 2012

A large crop area adjacent to a Lousiana County.

And if not, then I like it very much in Spanish (maybe with a gas remover, perhaps).

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
32. Uh, yessss (grew up in East Texas, honey)...
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:03 PM
Jun 2012

But if you are thinking Maxfield Parrish, no, ain't his...

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
38. My visual memory is
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:11 PM
Jun 2012

unusually good. My memory for names is an actual disability.

I don't know the painting itself but I think I know the painter... one of those decadent post-WW1 Germans or Austrians, right?

But I would never conjure the name.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
40. I like Kirchner and appreciate his work but this is a different guy...
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:14 PM
Jun 2012

not as famous as Kirchner and perhaps a bit earlier than Kirchner...

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
36. Stab in the dark on #1
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:08 PM
Jun 2012

I know the model, but I can't for the life of me remember her name. I think she's from Nigeria though.

For the photographer, I guess I'll go with Herb Ritts.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
43. Which ones do you think are pornographic? Cuz I don't see it here...
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:17 PM
Jun 2012

sorry...I want to respond to your concerns but I don't see it...

 

KatChatter

(194 posts)
63. well if memory serves
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:56 PM
Jun 2012

when surfing the intertubes I have run across some pretty strange things, I think it is call Furries and Fur Sluts. Try goggling fur fetish and feather fetish too, you will get plenty of hits.

Happy surfing!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
68. But how are those sites different from what you see here?
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:18 PM
Jun 2012

I confess I haven't gone to them but I wonder if you could explain what you see that is relevant to both. I am not being snarky. I really want to know...

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
44. And the Taliban had always been so good at these Friday challenges before...
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:18 PM
Jun 2012

we will miss their participation.

They would identify the works, right before dynamiting them.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
47. now, now...I really want to know why any of these are considered
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:20 PM
Jun 2012

pornographic. I'm a very curious person. And art means a lot to me...

If anything, I don't think "Glamor" is pornographic...but I dunno...

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
51. I doubt the poster was speaking for him/her self
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:24 PM
Jun 2012

I think it was a meta-comment on the porn wars and female objectification, suggesting that someone else would have such an objection.

But hopefully he/she will not conflate my acidic snark and your calm, concerned consideration.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
71. Yes, the objectification of women in art is an important consideration
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:33 PM
Jun 2012

and, as a feminist, I do not dismiss it. I probably should have put my title to this Challenge in quotation marks because using "girls" for women is not something I would usually do.

but you are not the taliban for expressing your concern, IMO. You have a very valid point of view. I look at the history of art as an amateur and I think "How can a feminist approve of this?" and it bothers me. I think that female art historians have acknowledged the sexism as an artifact of the artists' day and moved on from there.

To me, great art isn't one thing only. There are places in it that I diverge from the artist's vision (which, in the case of women, is often deformed at worst, limited at best). So I look to other facets to see the aesthetic of the work. That involves a lot of things and I won't bore you with what Ithink they are.

Suffice to say that my feminism and my love of art have somehow been reconciled, but I am open to argument and persuasion. I am old but not too old to change my mind on things...

Thank you for giving us your viewpoint on my Challenge! I appreciate your time and your thoughtfulness.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
67. but I'm really curious. I really want to know. It's a "way of seeing" that
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:15 PM
Jun 2012

I would like to understand. I don't think we need to put Kat down for expressing an opinion, before we know what informs that opinion.

Art impacts people in different ways and I think that is fascinating. Don't you?

 

KatChatter

(194 posts)
78. If you really want to understand
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 06:04 AM
Jun 2012

Last edited Sat Jun 23, 2012, 06:35 AM - Edit history (1)

see post #48

Art from the very beginning has ALWAYS been controversial.

Many famous works of art today were considered the porn of the day.

Art and the appreciation of it is totally subjective, what is moving to some people is meaningless to others.

I myself am still trying to get abstract expressionism to me looks like random paint splashes.

Is it good, I don’t think so but others do and gladly spend millions to obtain one by a top artist.

Besides who besides your self is really the arbitrator of art and what is good and what is not?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
79. Thanks. And I agree with what you are saying.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:40 AM
Jun 2012

One of the reasons I included the Avedon photo of Lillian Hellman is that to me glamor is beyond the beautiful, the young, the unlined face, the firm flesh. I wanted to say that even in her obvious older age, Hellman projected a kind of glamor. I meant to be more inclusive with using that term.

I understand, BTW, that the word "glamor" is from the Scottish word for "magic." I get that from the works I put up here.

You are so right that art appreciation IS selective, altho I do wish I had more of the study of Aesthetics than I had. If I were younger I would probably go back for a Masters in Art History, but I am not up for the academic rigor that would require. So I self teach.

Art has been/is controversial and your view is as valid as mine and we can agree on that point. I can try to see what you are saying because I will learn something from the effort.

A side note on abstract art: you may know the history around Rothko's works. It is chronicled in "People Who Cry in Front of Pictures" and in Simon Schama's "The Power of Art" (see the segment on Rothko on YouTube). There are people who burst into tears looking at his works. Why: some people say it is because they are so FULL of meaning and others say it is because they are so EMPTY of feeling. You can't get more subjective in the extreme than that!

I am reminded that "Guernica" was so powerful that Franco tried to get his hands on it and destroy it, but Picasso got it out of Spain and sent to MoMA in NYC before Franco could do so. It came back to Spain after Franco died. This painting has had more than just one controversy since it was painted...again Schama has a segment on "The Power of Art." I recommend the series.

Thanks again for offering your view. I hope you will revisit the Challenge. I value your input!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
82. Which "some" would those be?
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 05:32 PM
Jun 2012

These might be pornographic to the Taliban, but I don't think we have any members of that club on the board.

If these photographs/paintings are too much for someone, they just might be in the wrong place.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
83. It's all in the perspective, as I see it. For instance, I have been taking
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 05:43 PM
Jun 2012

another look at the photo of Marion Cotillard, #2, by Peter Lindbergh. Maybe it is too explicit in that pose. "Glamor" in most of the other ones has some irony built in. The Lindbergh is to me lovely because she is such a lovely actress and I know her from "Midnight in Paris," which I loved (OK, I broke my rule against ever seeing another Woody Allen movie after the affair with his stepdaughter). I thought she'd be good for this because of her wildly beautiful face. But maybe that knee is too much. I don't know, really...

MADem

(135,425 posts)
84. "That knee is too much?"
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:27 PM
Jun 2012

Good grief, those ankles must be driving men mad in the first shot!!!



This might be Taliban porn, but in the real world, they're just lovely pictures.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
86. I dunno. There is a real difference of what is implied and what is explicit.
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:59 PM
Jun 2012

I think the knee thing is very much implied so I don't disagree with you on that. I guess the other is the idea of seduction, which to me, in these photos, are in the hands of the women, not the men, really.

It's a fair point and I don't want to not hear that argument out. That is all I am saying.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
89. not really, but thanks MADem. I appreciate hearing from you!
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:18 AM
Jun 2012

I'm really just trying to see it from another point of view. I pride myself on being a feminist so this is very important to me...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
52. OK, folks...I'm going to dinner next door. Back in about an hour...
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:24 PM
Jun 2012

keep guessing. We have more to decipher...luv ya...

IcyPeas

(21,889 posts)
55. # 6 - Kees van Dongen
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:25 PM
Jun 2012

the Kirshner hint gave it to me. I like expressionism.

I don't know who she is though.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
69. I know that this was a bit tough. But I thought folks here would be
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:21 PM
Jun 2012

happy to see some of these works, just for the sheer joy of it...

My purpose is not to try to stump people, but to get folks to talk about art more. I hear so many stories on these threads about DUers interaction with art in their lives. It is really fascinating...

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
70. I don't know who the model is, but the artist for #5 is Tamara de Lempicka
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:30 PM
Jun 2012

I have two prints of two other painting by her and her style is unmistakeable.

Here's a photo of her:



CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
74. Ah, Madame X. Yes, it is glam to the max, I agree, but alas it is
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:54 PM
Jun 2012

too easy for this crowd. Do they ever know their Sargent!

Believe me, there was a LOT that I had to leave out (reluctantly), altho I reserve the right to do a "More Glam Girls" sequel sometime in the future!

Next month I will have a Glam Guys Challenge for you...stay tuned...

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