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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAre you as tired as I am being scolded about hurting the feelings of the Deplorables?
"This Meryl Streep speech is why Trump won," McCain, the daughter of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), tweeted Sunday night.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/313294-meghan-mccain-this-meryl-streep-speech-is-why-trump-won
Racism, sexism, misogyny, ableism, xenophobia, treason, et cetera are deplorable and elevating to the highest office in the land a man who traffics in them is deplorable.
The majority of Americans are not deplorable. We do not have to kow tow to them to win. There are more of us than them.
LonePirate
(13,424 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(10,005 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)once Obamacare is gone, the the more stupid ones will forget to vote again, the others will be bitching him out soon enough.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)barbtries
(28,798 posts)the only thing i would like to say to her is, please, go on.
marybourg
(12,631 posts)voices are doing the scolding.
meow2u3
(24,764 posts)The more those traitors' feelings are hurt, the better I feel!
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)It's like I said before: if you voted on someone or something because you were called a name, it's YOU who needs the "safe space". That's WEAK. It's SUCH a weaksauce argument from conservatives. "You made me do this" employs the abuser's mentality. It takes the onus off of THEM and places it on us; they're great at it because they control the narrative.
oasis
(49,388 posts)Gimme a break, M. McCain, you privileged, out of touch ass.
Vinca
(50,276 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)ProfessorPlum
(11,257 posts)hat tip to DUer JHan
Different Drummer
(7,617 posts)yardwork
(61,630 posts)It's enabling just like when a relative or friend tells a victim of domestic violence that "if you just didn't make him mad he wouldn't hit you."
You are exactly right. All the enabling does is give PERMISSION to the abuser to continue.
Streep is exactly right. We need to speak up.
The Polack MSgt
(13,189 posts)So all I can say is thanx
bdamomma
(63,868 posts)they are just bullying us. Sick ass people.
oasis
(49,388 posts)preponderance of available evidence that says otherwise?". Dumbass Deplorables allow Trump to vouch for his own credibility.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Are you kidding?
They're laughing their asses off at us.
They see us as smug, entitled liberals who got our asses handed to us.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Impossible to hurt their feelings, as they have none, and they delight in believing they are hurting ours. FB has tons of posts about enjoyment of "liberal tears," etc.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)and the horses' asses they are descended from.
Takket
(21,575 posts)Yeah pretty sick of it.
Coventina
(27,121 posts)They voted for a person who was SHOWN TIME AFTER TIME to be a liar, a sex criminal, a racist, and someone who every day demonstrated that he was stunningly unqualified for the job.
Both Hillary and Bernie were out there EVERY DAY proving him wrong, unqualified, perverted, racist, a misogynist, and putting forth a positive, strong program to move America forward.
Trump was out there every day spouting hate, racism, misogyny, ignorance, filth, and blatant lies. And they flocked to him.
I'm done with those folks. Done. If you can reach them, awesome. I will gladly admit I was wrong that they were unreachable.
But right now, I am too exhausted, frightened, and angry to even think about "reaching out" to people who voted for the KKK's endorsed candidate. They have given every indication that they are after ME and either deporting me or depriving me of my rights as an American citizen.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)i think these people just needed to wallow in their inherent racism towards Obama and their inherent misogyny against HRC. I have NO sympathy. Let 'em suffer.
The Polack MSgt
(13,189 posts)NBachers
(17,119 posts)RKP5637
(67,109 posts)they wanted. To them I say RIP, enjoy your win, let your bigotry and hatefulness, and stupidity die with you, dopes.
treestar
(82,383 posts)They are a minority too. She is wrong. They don't win because we are mean to them.
mcar
(42,334 posts)Most of those poor dears voted against their own interests, beliefs and health and well being. And they did it because of racism and sexism.
I am tired of people telling us we have to "understand" them. Bollocks to that.
jaxind
(1,074 posts)Hey Meghan, do you remember what tRUMP said about your dad??!! Have some respect for your dad, Meghan and tell tRUMP where he can go, and while you're at it, come out and defend Meryl Streep for putting this POS president-elect in his place!
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)liberal N proud
(60,335 posts)And reference how trump and most republicans treated Obama for 8 years.
Don't back down.
eleny
(46,166 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)And I shall carry on...
pbmus
(12,422 posts)I guess they hate the truth...
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)They don't give a damn about anything but themselves. Deplorables are even willing to install criminals to run the government of America. F'um!
niyad
(113,329 posts)ananda
(28,865 posts)Cart her away to the whinehouse.
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Tools of the Right's trade: re-frame and deflect, false logic, false analogy, false equivalency. These people know how to bullshit.
niyad
(113,329 posts)me to be able to sharpen my claws on them.
so, I don't give a damn for their "feelings" (their sick, twisted, perverted, sexual-predator enabling "feelings"--they cannot handle the truth, so **** them with something sharp and rusty, sideways.
gordianot
(15,238 posts)My response was I had not, but offered to complete the task at the next opportunity have not seen him since that was eight years ago.
RKP5637
(67,109 posts)no sympathy for them, because they are dragging down millions with them, literally millions of people in many many ways. As far as I'm concerned, they can go to hell. They have brought this scourge on this country when they were so F'en proud of their damn ignorance and trashed every one and wore their damn stupid Trump hats at their hate fest rallies.
Generator
(7,770 posts)No and fuck that. I'd die first. I am so pissed off right now. That's what they really want. They want all free speech and dissent to end. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The Polack MSgt
(13,189 posts)So STFU you pampered silver spoon sucking noise generator
But, let's be honest here, her noise is to be expected - Her sinecure as a Judas Goat requires that she keeps bleating...
What depresses me is the Democratic Party's reflexive cringing away from confronting these clowns.
I will never understand why some Democrats react to a loss by looking for a way to convince our opponents to like us - instead of fighting back harder.
The Democratic Party stands for things our opponents hate. They are not going to stop fighting us until we are exactly like them.
Fuck this surrendering in stages strategy. It made very little sense when we were running against a sane Republican party and it is completely unacceptable now
They nominated and then elected a criminally unfit misogynist. Racist. Liar. They did this because he was better in their hearts and minds than a Democrat
Any Democrat is beyond the pale to folks that would vote for that guy.
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Looking for ways to appease them should be anathema to any Democrat. Fighting them is the duty of all of us.
hatrack
(59,587 posts)Not much I can do except
ProfessorPlum
(11,257 posts)Different Drummer
(7,617 posts)feelings to be hurt because most of them don't.
cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)Just wow.
Not to your post specifically but to just about all of them in this thread.
It's real easy to be tolerant of people who think like you do. It's a lot harder to treat them like human beings and try to change their ways of thinking, so I guess I get the vitriol. We're all tired and unspeakably disappointed.
hatrack
(59,587 posts)If they think like we do, why would we try to change their ways of thinking? And why would that involve "treating them like human beings"?
This doesn't make any sense . . . .
cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)What I meant was that the tenor of this thread seems to me to be to deny the humanity of people who do not hold the same political beliefs we do, not talking Republican v. Democrat, rather with regard to racism, misogyny, income equality, etc. It's easy to be tolerant of--i.e. be happy to have in our party--people who agree with us. It's a whole lot harder to work to bring the deplorables into (sometimes *back* into) our fold.
I don't see what purpose is served by continuing to vilify the misguided, stupid, willfully ignorant, racist misogynists who voted for Trump. Sure, we're all disgusted with them. But it seems to me much more constructive to try to find ways to change their minds. I mean, how many times do you want to talk about how awful they are? Nobody here, I'm sure, disagrees that they are awful.
And I haven't seen anyone here saying we should feel sorry for them, although I do think a little pity for people who don't know any better is, in general, not misplaced.
brutus smith
(685 posts)The sooner everyone understands this, the sooner we can move forward.
cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)It's difficult, and it takes time, but it can be done.
My father, a newspaper editor and columnist, grew up in southern WV in an atmosphere he later described as "more racist than Birmingham." His was a casual racism, but when the Supreme Court in 1954 ruled separate but equal unconstitutional, it suddenly hit him that a black father was just as concerned about his daughter's education as he was about mine. It was a Saul/Paul moment for him. In 1964, he was largely responsible for convincing WV Sen. Jennings Randolph to vote for the CRA ("They're saying just awful things about me, Andy"--the Senator required a lot of hand-holding through the vote).
There were famous radio recordings of the transformation of a KKK member who was somehow (I forget how) thrown into close contact with a black woman. Over the years, the KKK guy changed his mind and became a civil rights activist.
And how is continuing to revile and deny the humanity of people who are not as enlightened as we are "moving forward?"
hadEnuf
(2,193 posts)They already were and are they just throwing it away for their hatred instead.
The country isn't just coming off of the Jim Crow laws. The Civil Rights act and the Voting Rights Act didn't just pass last week. They have been the law of the land for over 50 years!
We are not talking about rural hicks who have no schools, no communication, no education and don't know any better. Most these bastards are making a conscious choice to be like they are.
Honestly, how many times do we have to be punched in the face, stabbed in the back, lied to, f*cked over, kicked in the balls, spit on and made fools of before we figure out that we have a knock-down drag out fight on our hands with people who will not be stopped in any other way?
brutus smith
(685 posts)The only way their thinking changes on just ONE thing is if it happens to them. They have no empathy. They still won't care if it happens to another and still will vote repub.
cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)say disturbs me as much as it does is that you (and I don't mean you personally, but apparently a sizable chunk of DU) don't seem to believe that the people who voted for Trump are anything like you at all. And the fact that you all seem unwilling to at least reconsider your attitude about people who have beliefs that are different from your own makes me think that you are very much like the people you condemn.
Don't you think that if you held a wrong belief you could change your mind if someone took the time to get to know you and explain why she felt your belief was mistaken?
IMO believing that people who disagree with you cannot change their minds, although you yourself could change *your* mind, is an insidious form of bigotry.
brutus smith
(685 posts)with these people. I live in a town in a rural Ohio community, and have contact with these people everyday. These people do not compromise. Before I retired, I worked at rural manufacturing jobs as a skilled tradesman. They hated the fact that I was making more money than them. When I explained to them what I went thru to get where I was at, apprenticeship, lots of overtime, family sacrifices, they didn't want to hear it. They thought that I thought I was better than them. No matter what I did, I couldn't convince them otherwise. Their beliefs are set in stone. And are there some people who voted for trump that aren't deplorable? Sure.
cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)I think *everyone* who voted for Trump is deplorable. My point is that by dehumanizing these people, by assuming they don't feel the same way we do about anything and can't possibly be brought to understand the error of their ways, all that seems counterproductive to me. I think the endless threads about how awful these people are, how non-human they are, are about as helpful to our party as the endless threads saying Bernie Sanders could have won.
And I may well be out of touch, and your story is certainly disturbing to me. OTOH, I have lived long enough to see changes happen in the majority attitude toward, say, "race mixing" and equal rights for women. When I was a child, black people could not stay in any of the nice hotels in our town; if you were black, even if you were Duke Ellington, you were relegated to a place known as Edna's Whore House in n-town. When I was a teenager, mine was the only white face in protests against Sen. Byrd's filibuster of the Voting Rights Act. When I was a young woman the only female presidents of colleges were at all-female schools, and few of them. As an adult, I saw interracial couples stared at on the street. When I was in college, girls went to back-alley abortionists, and a friend of mine almost bled to death after a botched illegal abortion (at the same time, my super-wealthy friend who found herself pregnant went into the hospital for an "appendectomy" .
I could give you a million more examples, but is there anything more boring than an old person saying "When *I* was a child..."?
The point is, all these things have changed--for the better--during one lifetime (and that lifetime isn't over yet--who knows what more will change?).
I know things are discouraging now, and things will get worse before they get better. But this is a time we've kind of been through before. Protests can work, and they can change minds. The draft wasn't the only thing led to the end of the Vietnam War.
brutus smith
(685 posts)The Polack MSgt
(13,189 posts)Tolerance is a false target put forward to distract from what we should be fighting for - Justice and equality.
Fighting against those who resist Justice isn't intolerant, it is our moral obligation
onecaliberal
(32,862 posts)Freedomofspeech
(4,225 posts)That piece of garbage. Not sorry that I have turned my back on anyone who voted for him.
Paladin
(28,262 posts)rufus dog
(8,419 posts)Although I don't believe she meant the tweet as I took it.
Streep never called out Trump specifically, never called out her supporters.
The deplorables don't do nuance.
Now I don't believe it is Streep's job, and her speech was great, but does nothing to get through to the Trump supporters.
We keep thinking they are like us, they aren't, they look at Dems as wussies, wimps, we are mommy, Trump and his ilk are daddy.
Bernie did well with him because he was gruff, straight talking.
So the way to talk to them is NOT in a civil manner.
HRC started down the path with the deplorable comment but backed off. That was a mistake, IMO.
They need to be called horrible human beings, lacking basic Christian values, and told they are not worthy of having the privilege of voting. It is the only thing that will get through to them. They want a daddy to smack them down, tell them to toe the line.
MFM008
(19,814 posts)Don't want to hear them.
They are to stupid for me to acknowledge their
Existance.
They can all follow maggot into the drop dead zone.
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)We're not supposed to insult Nazis because their feelings will be hurt? Nazis?????
Nope. Not going to happen.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,010 posts)Those crybabies can dish it out but can't take it. They shit their bed so now they can sleep in it.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)saying "This is why Trump won" (Variation, usually by ultra-left purists: "This is why Democrats lose" And then they whine when we don't listen to them.
I LOVED Meryl Streep's speech. But apparently, the meme that "we can't criticize Trump" is catching on.
Vinca
(50,276 posts)I have no desire to hold hands with a pack of hatemongers. They'll soon learn what their actions have wrought when hubby has his cancer therapy discontinued because his insurance coverage is kaput.
MountCleaners
(1,148 posts)She became disabled after being in two car crashes, neither one her fault.
An ex-friend of hers has been taunting her on FB because she criticized Trump's treatment of a disabled reporter.
Her deplorable ex-friend told her, "suck it up, Trump owns you."
This is how they behave, no one guilt trips them about boorish and bigoted behavior!