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pbmus

(12,422 posts)
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 01:28 AM Jan 2017

The Evidence is Overwhelming: James Comey Decided Who Our Next President Would Be--Mother Jones

Over at Vox today, a trio of researchers takes a broad look at the evidence that FBI Director James Comey affected the election. Their conclusion:

The evidence is clear, and consistent, regarding the Comey effect. The timing of the shift both at the state and national levels lines up very neatly with the publication of the letter, as does the predominance of the story in the media coverage from the final week of the campaign. With an unusually large number of undecided voters late in the campaign, the letter hugely increased the salience of what was the defining critique of Clinton during the campaign at its most critical moment.

The appeal of big-picture narratives about demographics, along with anecdotal evidence of big mistakes by the Clinton campaign in certain key states, makes it easy to point fingers. But looking specifically at the three “Rustbelt” blue states mentioned at the beginning of the article, no unifying picture emerges. Most stories mention Michigan, where Clinton didn’t campaign, rather than Pennsylvania, where she campaigned intensely. Indeed, these three Midwestern states (Wisconsin being the third) provide essentially an A/B/C test of different campaign strategies — and in each state she came up just short.

If it weren't for Comey, Hillary Clinton would have won the popular vote by about 6 points and the Electoral College by 70 or more. And that might have turned into control of the Senate as well, though that's a little more speculative.

Democrats clearly need to focus attention on state and local races, where they have done steadily worse throughout the Obama years. But at the national level, they should resolutely avoid the circular firing squad. They didn't lose because their message was unpopular or because they're out of touch or because they're insufficiently centrist or insufficiently leftist. That just wasn't the problem. The Democratic message was fine; Democrats are perfectly well in touch with their constituencies; and they weren't perceived as too unwilling to shake things up. Even with eight years of Democratic rule acting as a headwind, Hillary Clinton's default performance was a substantial win.

http://m.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/01/james-comey-decided-who-our-next-president-would-be

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The Evidence is Overwhelming: James Comey Decided Who Our Next President Would Be--Mother Jones (Original Post) pbmus Jan 2017 OP
Comey for prison Alice11111 Jan 2017 #1
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #4
I don't understand your response to this person. Guess I'm mentally challenged, too. n/t Tess49 Jan 2017 #14
I didn't see the response before it was removed. Curious? Alice11111 Jan 2017 #31
Said you (the poster) must be mentally challenged and a troll. And said "bye". That response made Tess49 Jan 2017 #32
Thx 4 update Alice11111 Jan 2017 #33
Welcome! Tess49 Jan 2017 #34
What the hell? Control-Z Jan 2017 #25
Comey did decide ----- he decided it would be Mike Pence. blm Jan 2017 #2
when do you think Trump will resign ? JI7 Jan 2017 #10
Republicans will not impeach Traitor Trump, unless vlyons Jan 2017 #24
Treason? dlk Jan 2017 #3
If not that... 2naSalit Jan 2017 #9
I said it that day. Nonhlanhla Jan 2017 #5
Early voting had allready begun for us, Wellstone ruled Jan 2017 #6
Many ignore how damaging that week was with the speculation.. JHan Jan 2017 #8
Ran into one of the Phone Bankers who Wellstone ruled Jan 2017 #12
Fuck Comey and the Russian horse he rode in on. progressoid Jan 2017 #7
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2017 #11
It is silly to even try to pretend otherwise. (eom) StevieM Jan 2017 #13
Comey should be in jail, there's no way that an agency head should be allowed to do what he did uponit7771 Jan 2017 #15
I agree with all you said, but I hate to admit, I don't think I could have outlasted 4 yrs of napi21 Jan 2017 #16
I can handle hearings. No health care, on the other hand.... SunSeeker Jan 2017 #23
Don't care about Comey -our natl leaders need to throw out the election results as it wasn't FAIR... iluvtennis Jan 2017 #17
There is no provision for that in the Constitution mythology Jan 2017 #35
Legacy? BadgerMom Jan 2017 #18
Dems new slogan: snort Jan 2017 #19
I hope that when history is written about the downfall of the USA Trump, Comey, Guiliani and the world wide wally Jan 2017 #20
Fools In Bed emmo115 Jan 2017 #21
Welcome to DU pbmus Jan 2017 #22
You are absolutely right still_one Jan 2017 #26
Lock that piece of shit up onecaliberal Jan 2017 #27
The media ran with it. Fox News lied and said she was under indictment. yardwork Jan 2017 #28
Comey is pond scum Gothmog Jan 2017 #29
If true, it must have represented a consensus of the National Security establishment FarCenter Jan 2017 #30
k and r and bookmarking niyad Jan 2017 #36

Response to Alice11111 (Reply #1)

Tess49

(1,580 posts)
32. Said you (the poster) must be mentally challenged and a troll. And said "bye". That response made
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 03:02 PM
Jan 2017

zero sense to me. I agree with you. Comey for prison!

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
25. What the hell?
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 04:55 AM
Jan 2017

Your response was totally uncalled for. You should delete your comment before someone alerts on you.

blm

(113,065 posts)
2. Comey did decide ----- he decided it would be Mike Pence.
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 01:42 AM
Jan 2017

Because he knew damn well Trump would be forced to quit.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
10. when do you think Trump will resign ?
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 02:03 AM
Jan 2017

i think as long as the republican base continues to support trump the republicans will not impeach him.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
24. Republicans will not impeach Traitor Trump, unless
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 04:29 AM
Jan 2017

he starts vetoing their bills. They then will bring a bill of impeachment in a nano-second to bring on Pence.

dlk

(11,569 posts)
3. Treason?
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 01:42 AM
Jan 2017

Comey intentionally subverted and sabotaged the presidential campaign. Even now, he is slow-walking the evidence of Russian interference in the election, just to make sure Trump is sworn in. At what point will he be held accountable? If this were a Democrat doing the same undermining of the election, Republicans would be leading riots in the streets!

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
5. I said it that day.
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 01:43 AM
Jan 2017

The moment that thing broke, I told my mom that this is going to cost Hillary the election. The effect was immediately visible in the polls, and she never recovered sufficiently.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
6. Early voting had allready begun for us,
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 01:56 AM
Jan 2017

when this POS dropped. We picked up on the shift the next morning while phone banking. Later in the day,our door to door canvassers reported the same feedback that we were getting with the phone bankers. Said the same to my spouse when I got home that night,babes Hillary is going to loose.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
8. Many ignore how damaging that week was with the speculation..
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 01:59 AM
Jan 2017

I hope History judges Comey for the POS he really is.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
12. Ran into one of the Phone Bankers who
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 02:10 AM
Jan 2017

volunteered on the same shifts as I,the young Lady said hi,and the next words out of mouth was,we saw History didn't we. Meaning a stolen Election.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
15. Comey should be in jail, there's no way that an agency head should be allowed to do what he did
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 02:36 AM
Jan 2017

... and no hard consequences for it.

When democrats are in office (after the conclusion of some civil war cause there wont be LESS hacking under Russia influence) then every KGOP MoC who's a MiniPoot supporter should be "investigated" 1 - 2 weeks before their election...

See how that shit works out for them

Along with that there's the info that he sat on regarding the MiniPoot's campaign contact with a government that the intel agencies concluded was hacking one of the FEC registered (DNC at the time was at least affliated with the US government) political parties.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
16. I agree with all you said, but I hate to admit, I don't think I could have outlasted 4 yrs of
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 02:41 AM
Jan 2017

more hearings, on Bengazi, emails any other thing the Pubs can dream up and still convince all the Pubs there's something they should investigate. I really was hearinged out. I don't want the Con , but I don't want a damn Pub House because they will NEVER stop investigating their enemies.

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
23. I can handle hearings. No health care, on the other hand....
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 03:57 AM
Jan 2017

That would literally kill me.


The GOP will always be destructive assholes. That is no reason to leave governing to them. In fact, it is exactly why we should never leave governing to them.

iluvtennis

(19,863 posts)
17. Don't care about Comey -our natl leaders need to throw out the election results as it wasn't FAIR...
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 02:50 AM
Jan 2017

and FREE. I'm just not understanding why our leaders aren't taking action. Am I naive? Or is this just about party lines. Such a sad, sad time for our nation.

BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
18. Legacy?
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 02:53 AM
Jan 2017

I know that Comey can serve a 10-year term. But I've also heard that he serves at the pleasure of the President. The worst outcome, had PBO axed him, would have been Republican screaming. Maybe Obama feared for his legacy, but ultimately, I think he richly deserved to lose his position. I wish he'd been charged.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
20. I hope that when history is written about the downfall of the USA Trump, Comey, Guiliani and the
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 03:34 AM
Jan 2017

rest of them are given due credit and their names live on with Benedict Arnold as synonymous with treason.

emmo115

(3 posts)
21. Fools In Bed
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 03:35 AM
Jan 2017

Comey or Commie, what ever, yup according to law he should be in jail, what this tool did handed the election over to that orange faced freak with the dyed rat on his head.
I'm 63 years old and have never been so embarrassed to be an american.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
28. The media ran with it. Fox News lied and said she was under indictment.
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 08:34 AM
Jan 2017

Now the same media are so careful with Trump. They're ALL traitors.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
30. If true, it must have represented a consensus of the National Security establishment
Thu Jan 12, 2017, 09:05 AM
Jan 2017

At least some faction must have assessed that Trump would be better for them than Clinton.

Clinton's track record in Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc. with the Arab Spring may have been sufficiently alarming that they decided Trump was the better option. Especially if they really do have the goods on Trump and can impeach him if he gets out of line.

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