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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPeople were calling to Stephanie Miller's show with heartbreaking
testimonies about what will happen to them or their love ones when the ACA is repealed. It is tearjerker listening. Damn you mean rethuglicans!
Ohioblue22
(1,430 posts)still_one
(92,218 posts)On November 8, there were people who refused to vote for Hillary by either not voting, voting third party, or voting a write-in candidate
In Michigan, Hillary lost by .3%. Jill Stein received 1.1% of the vote. Similar results in Wisconsin and the other critical swing states.
What added insult to injury, especially among those who decided not to even bother to vote, was that in every swing state, the Democrat running for Senate, lost to the establishment, incumbent, republican.
Yes, elections have consequences, and now people will pay a price for that
As to those callers, the only option they have is to contact their Senators and Representatives
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)and people feel completely free to make the wrong ones.
There oughta be a law. Or at least a drastic reduction in the number of candidates. How low would you like to go? Two? Lower than that?
Yes, one of the problems with democracy is that unexpected shit can happen in a vote. And yes, then everybody has to deal with it. I don't know if restricting peoples' options so they are essentially forced to vote for one's own choice is a safe move, though.
still_one
(92,218 posts)GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)They too have to live with the outcome - just like those who did vote.
still_one
(92,218 posts)GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)That's what gives democracy its inherent legitimacy. I'm strongly in favour of legitimacy.
still_one
(92,218 posts)referring to the point you made that there were too many choices. My response was that those who didn't vote, didn't vote because there were too many choices.
Also, not voting is a means of voting, whether intentional or not
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Having third, fourth and fifth party candidates (especially serious ones) is likely to prompt some people to vote who might otherwise stay home. More choice is always better, IMO.
But if someone disapproves of the system of politics itself (and there are a surprising number of us out here) we can only cast that vote by not voting. We can't do it by voting for a system-approved candidate of any persuasion - for us any vote is violation of our principles. That's why I'm opposed to mandatory voting systems such as Australia's.
But for those who are OK with the system (and there are far more of you than there are of us), the more choice the better.
still_one
(92,218 posts)obviously that wasn't the case
My original point was that only one of the two candidates were going to be President. Either Hillary or trump, and people knew that.
So the choices that were made, including those who did not vote, (that was a choice), they will have to deal with that, including possibly losing their insurance if they were in that group
wordpix
(18,652 posts)the original Fake News network
still_one
(92,218 posts)mopinko
(70,121 posts)they took the leap into self employment thanks to obamacare. bil has hep c, and has had a transplant, and takes the new hep c drug. his life depends on it.
and now they might lose it.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)I listen to Stephanie every day.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Such fantasy bills will bankrupt ACA, Medicare, Medicaid and shut our health care down for good
Any reporter who wants info on my absurd medical bills, I'll be happy to share.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)How do these people get elected to office? What kind of people support them? The hate that exists in this world makes me physically ill.