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still_one

(92,218 posts)
2. There was no mystery what would happen if trump won. The stakes were never more clear.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:16 PM
Jan 2017

On November 8, there were people who refused to vote for Hillary by either not voting, voting third party, or voting a write-in candidate

In Michigan, Hillary lost by .3%. Jill Stein received 1.1% of the vote. Similar results in Wisconsin and the other critical swing states.

What added insult to injury, especially among those who decided not to even bother to vote, was that in every swing state, the Democrat running for Senate, lost to the establishment, incumbent, republican.

Yes, elections have consequences, and now people will pay a price for that

As to those callers, the only option they have is to contact their Senators and Representatives

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
3. The problem with democracy is there are too many damn choices
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:25 PM
Jan 2017

and people feel completely free to make the wrong ones.

There oughta be a law. Or at least a drastic reduction in the number of candidates. How low would you like to go? Two? Lower than that?

Yes, one of the problems with democracy is that unexpected shit can happen in a vote. And yes, then everybody has to deal with it. I don't know if restricting peoples' options so they are essentially forced to vote for one's own choice is a safe move, though.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
5. So? That's their right isn't it?
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:33 PM
Jan 2017

They too have to live with the outcome - just like those who did vote.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
9. And my point is that voting for whoever you want to is OK, as is not voting.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:47 PM
Jan 2017

That's what gives democracy its inherent legitimacy. I'm strongly in favour of legitimacy.

still_one

(92,218 posts)
13. First of all I never implied or suggested that people didn't have a right NOT to vote. I was
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:24 PM
Jan 2017

referring to the point you made that there were too many choices. My response was that those who didn't vote, didn't vote because there were too many choices.

Also, not voting is a means of voting, whether intentional or not

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
14. I understood what you were saying.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:49 PM
Jan 2017

Having third, fourth and fifth party candidates (especially serious ones) is likely to prompt some people to vote who might otherwise stay home. More choice is always better, IMO.

But if someone disapproves of the system of politics itself (and there are a surprising number of us out here) we can only cast that vote by not voting. We can't do it by voting for a system-approved candidate of any persuasion - for us any vote is violation of our principles. That's why I'm opposed to mandatory voting systems such as Australia's.

But for those who are OK with the system (and there are far more of you than there are of us), the more choice the better.

still_one

(92,218 posts)
15. Then I misunderstood your original post. I thought you were arguing that more choice was bad, and
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:55 PM
Jan 2017

obviously that wasn't the case

My original point was that only one of the two candidates were going to be President. Either Hillary or trump, and people knew that.

So the choices that were made, including those who did not vote, (that was a choice), they will have to deal with that, including possibly losing their insurance if they were in that group

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
11. best they don't vote if they don't read, do research or view news besides Faux
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:49 PM
Jan 2017

the original Fake News network

mopinko

(70,121 posts)
7. my sister and bil are heartbroken and terrified.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:42 PM
Jan 2017

they took the leap into self employment thanks to obamacare. bil has hep c, and has had a transplant, and takes the new hep c drug. his life depends on it.
and now they might lose it.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
10. taxpayers should ALL be heartbroken at $40K/round of chemo IV drip
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:48 PM
Jan 2017

Such fantasy bills will bankrupt ACA, Medicare, Medicaid and shut our health care down for good

Any reporter who wants info on my absurd medical bills, I'll be happy to share.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
12. Never, as long as I live, will I understand how people can be so heartless.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:55 PM
Jan 2017

How do these people get elected to office? What kind of people support them? The hate that exists in this world makes me physically ill.

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