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Since it was announced that Trump is dismissing the General in charge of the DC National Guard at the moment he swears his oath, I've had the feeling that something may be up for that day. It makes no sense to me that the General is relieved of duty as Trump's first action as President. No sense at all. And that bothers me, for some reason.
I won't be in DC that day. I wouldn't be, even if I lived near there. I don't like crowds much. But, I know that some are planning to be there and to heckle or demonstrate in some way. Right now, I'm becoming less certain that is a good idea. Given the violent actions taken by Trump supporters at a number of campaign venues, I'd be concerned about safety for anyone who actively protests at the inauguration.
But, that's not all. Why would an incoming President deliberately single out a black National Guard General and fire him at 12:01 PM on inauguration day. His first act as President will be to fire someone who helped plan security for the event. Did the General diss Trump? Does Trump not like his looks? I don't know, but it's troubling that he does this as his first Presidential act.
Take care, folks, if you're there. Seriously. Keep your eyes open and have escape pathways in your mind. It's a very strange set of circumstances, this inauguration. Watch yourselves. Seriously.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)But it might be even worse! People might end up getting hurt.
Scary times.
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)Trump would leave the guy in place and then bash the shit out of him for being and awful awful General who needs to be removed immediately.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)be photographed with him. Being photographed with an AA could damage the Trump brand. (Damn -- 4 years of Trump bullshit.)
Arkansas Granny
(31,518 posts)I don't usually subscribe to CT, but I may get a new roll of tin foil before the event.
romana
(765 posts)I think it's just Trump's smallness made manifest. He thinks purging all these positions the minute he takes office is his revenge on Obama.
Jacob Boehme
(789 posts)TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)Wolverines!
nolabear
(41,984 posts)adigal
(7,581 posts)That should clear everything up.
sarah FAILIN
(2,857 posts)Could be others didn't mind causing chaos. Some of the young rednecks in my area aren't about parties, they want anarchy and chaos.
Bettie
(16,110 posts)and then immediately install someone who won't balk at an order to fire into a crowd of civilians peacefully protesting.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)He's planning bloodshed. That order is just too bizarre. He wants civil unrest so he can kill him some Democrats.
I guarantee there will also be false flag actions that exacerbate any violence and that are able to be laid at the feet of the Democrats, though in fact they will have been devised and executed by the Republirussians.
Jacob Boehme
(789 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)This is bad, bad shit going down...
mnhtnbb
(31,392 posts)that will not allow civil disobedience.
CincyDem
(6,363 posts)...who might think hard about a questionable "order" from the C-I-C.
My understanding is that there are 20 permits issued for DC gatherings on Friday and 200 on Saturday. I agree with you MM that this just feels weird. Maybe someone in the transition team started laying out plans for water cannon locations and he pushed back. That's all it would take to canned in a Trump military.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)safeinOhio
(32,688 posts)General is tight with moose and squirrel.
onenote
(42,714 posts)telling them they're terminated as of 12:01. I suspect they got a list of presidential appointees and prepared a form letter, did a batch address printing, and had them sent to everyone on the list without even bothering to look at who they were sending to.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I haven't heard of anyone else getting the boot, except for appointed Ambassadors. You'd think we'd hear about that, if it was going on.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)I'm having trouble finding it, and the quoted comments from the General don't help much.
onenote
(42,714 posts)You wouldn't expect to hear about most of them because it's not that atypical for most presidential appointees to be out of a job on inauguration day. On November 7 -- the day before the election -- Obama requested that all non-term presidential appointees tender their resignations by December 7. The exceptions were: U.S. Marshals; U.S. Attorneys; Inspectors General; Appointees serving in termed appointments; Appointees of independent and regulatory agencies headed by termed appointees; and Appointees serving on part-time boards and commissions.
https://www.chcoc.gov/content/governmentwide-moratorium-senior-executive-service-ses-qualifications-review-board-qrb-cases
This is Standard Operating Procedure. It lets the incoming administration decide whether or not to accept the resignation letters of some or all of the previous president's appointees. The difference is that most incoming administrations then carefully review and decide whether or not to accept certain resignations or offer the appointee the opportunity to stay on for some period of time after inauguration day. Trump apparently is not doing that.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)family members who were planning to go decided not to today because as they watch FB feeds and the like, they are finding that a major bad thing is likely.
Frankly, I suspect a game changer event of unknown origin or type but I think it is to "allow" this bad thing to take place with no recourse for citizens.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)Who is the Designated Survivor for that weekend? I imagine that you need to go pretty far down the list to find someone not going into DC.
mnhtnbb
(31,392 posts)and gee, whiz, look, no protests! Everyone loves the Cheeto Fucktrumpet.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)I'll put some weight behind that idea because I'm sure that's a big part of that bit of info and the reason it's out there. But I have an ominous feeling that something far worse will take place in the city that will bring us back to the shock part of the shock doctrine that is in progress.
Qutzupalotl
(14,315 posts)and blame Democratic activists. Another thread here talked about O'Keefe involvement. The goal could be to implement emergency powers and/or martial law.
The incoming general is probably in on it, possibly the announcer too.
(This is all speculation on my part.)
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)credible in my view from way over here.
mainer
(12,022 posts)on inauguration day and the women's march. My son warned me to keep my eyes open and get the hell out if anything alarmed me. I thought he was being alarmist, but now it sounds like prudence.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Check the news from the 20th before going into DC.
likesmountains 52
(4,098 posts)MissKat
(218 posts)not to show my age, but when we were demonstrating agains the horrible war in Viet Nam I learned a few things--
1. Have an escape route planned in advance, with a meeting place in case you get separated. (don't be surprised if cell phone service doesn't work)
2. Make sure you have a bottle of water and a large bandana and swim goggles. If the police launch tear gas, use the water to flush your eyes. Then get the bandana over your mouth and nose and put those goggles on.
3. If the crowd panics, lock arms, don't just hold hands.
4. BE PREPARED. Take a good first aid kit with you. If you have a poster, make sure the stick you use can also double as a club.
My hope is that you won't need to worry about any of this. But if you do...
I wish I could be there. But just too much going on for me.
If you can go, please do!! Just be prepared.
Initech
(100,080 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)Protests, anti-protests, concerts, inaugurations, parades, marches...and it should be warm too!
Fun!
Though it is indeed weird to swap out a/the guy in charge right in the middle of such a major event, don't think it would even be noticeable.
tblue37
(65,394 posts)baseball hats on their heads. Without adequate security, the brownshirts will be able to go after the protesters, the same way the Chicago cops went after antiwar protesters at the DNC in 1968, in what the official investigation called a "police riot."
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)If he's not legitimate, why go?
I would rather imagine D.C. as a ghost town that day, when no one showed up to welcome him.
He's just not worth it.
cab67
(2,993 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Runningdawg
(4,517 posts)than the fact our foreign enemies will see this chink in our national security as an opportunity too good to pass up.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)classykaren
(769 posts)MFM008
(19,814 posts)an asteroid.
FraDon
(518 posts)Is that a fire, over at the Reichstag?!
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)byronius
(7,395 posts)It's how these #$%ers think.
NBachers
(17,119 posts)Thanks, alt-left voters.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)OldHippieChick
(2,434 posts)federal employees, he fires the "volunteer" announcer and now this. I think it's just a crazy power grab that says "nah-na-na-na-na, I'm the boss now". It's just another childish, senseless act by a petulant brat. Look how he treated the CNN reporter. There is no sense in much that he does because he has no sense. He is merely strutting his perceived stuff because he really doesn't know how much power he truly has and has no idea what he's supposed to do with it.
coco22
(1,258 posts)I think they will do anything.
bucolic_frolic
(43,176 posts)Army Chief of Staff General Douglas MacArthur disperses the Bonus Army?
Protests will be dealt with harshly? Or imminent martial law?
cab67
(2,993 posts)He's doing the same thing with the entire diplomatic corps.
But the timing on this particular replacement (assuming there's a replacement in mind) is very, very strange.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Trump is doing what all Dictators do to the leadership in the country.
He's firing them. Getting rid of them. Leaving Embassies and agencies without their bosses to do anything. Who's going to have the authority to do anything now?
It's the non violent way of sending them to Siberia or out and out killing them. Stalin did it to all the leaders, all the intellectuals and to all the generals in the military. He also forced people who worked for him to turn in their spouses and families who he then sent to Siberia.
And remember Saddam Hussein's famous video of him sitting at a desk on a stage with all the Iraqi leadership as his audience and him calling out names and his military police dragging them outside to shoot them? Saddam did that.
Think of any dictator and you'll see that Trump is doing the Democratic version of his own purge.
Trump is just firing them because that's all he can do in this Democracy. If he could he'd probably shoot a few.
Because he can't possibly have enough friends to fill all the posts. He's just going to leave everything as leaderless as he can.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)These guys have difficulty organizing a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
They got a list of every position that they have power over and sent a,mass,mailing.
Reminder that at 12:01 they will have no cabinet officers nominated, confirmed or sworn in.
Phoenix61
(17,006 posts)To stupid to think through the consequences. We know Trump likes to pitt people against each other. We know you have to be an immoral snake to work for him. My guess is this is just one of many in house back-stabbing incidents.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Of course, with all the Orwellian stuff that's been happening, it may go from people reporting what they watch to Big Brother watching and controlling it.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)braddy
(3,585 posts)From Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_May_Day_protests
"10,000 federal troops were quickly moved to various locations in the Washington, D.C. area. At one point, so many soldiers and marines were being moved into the area from bases along the East Coast that troop transports were landing at the rate of one every three minutes at Andrews Air Force Base in suburban Maryland, about 15 miles from the White House. Among these troops were 4,000 paratroopers from the U.S. 82nd Airborne Division,troops from Marine Barracks lined both sides of the 14th St bridge. These troops were to back up the 5,100 D.C. Metropolitan Police, 2,000 D.C. National Guard and Nixons internal security forces that were already in place. Every monument, park and traffic circle in the nation's capital had troops protecting its perimeters. Paratroopers and marines deployed via helicopter to the grounds of the Washington Monument."
(snip)
"While the troops secured the major intersections and bridges, the police roamed through the city making massive arrest sweeps and used tear gas. They arrested anyone who looked like a demonstrator, including construction workers who had come out to support the government. By 8 am 7,000 protesters had been arrested. The city's prisons did not have the capacity to handle that many people thus an emergency detention center surrounded by an 8-foot-high (2.4 m) fence was set up next to RFK Stadium. No food, water, or sanitary facilities were made available by authorities but sympathetic local residents brought supplies. Skirmishes between protesters and police occurred up until about mid-day. In Georgetown, the police herded the protesters and onlookers through the streets to the Georgetown University campus. The police then engaged in a back and forth with the protesters outside the university's main gate on O Street, lobbing tear gas over the gate each time they pushed the crowd back. Other forms of gas were used including pepper based and one that induced vomiting. Police helicopters also dropped tear gas on the university's lower athletic field where protesters had camped the night before. Numerous people were severely injured and treated by volunteers on campus. By afternoon the police had suppressed the disruption efforts and the protesters had mainly dispersed.
Smaller protests continued resulting in the arrests of several thousand more, bringing the total to 12,614 people, making this the largest mass arrest in U.S. history."
murielm99
(30,745 posts)I had one friend who attended. She ended up next to RFK stadium, in detention. She reported to our student body about her experiences. As far as she could tell, there was never any record made of her arrest. Eventually, everyone was just allowed to leave.
That was quite a year. I graduated from college in 1971.
braddy
(3,585 posts)the DC jail where we had a huge communal box of dry baloney sandwiches to eat from, which I thought was fantastic for jail food, not tasty, but plentiful.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)and bus drivers, to take us to processing. Our bunch demanded that the driver pull over and let us out. He did, and we went back to the fray...
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,861 posts)heading up the DC National Guard.
I believe he's fired many appointees, not just the ambassadors, effective the moment he actually becomes President.
As others have already pointed out, it's the sort of thing a dictator does. And I don't assume that the firing means DC will have no effective law enforcement at that point.
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)Several ladies from my area are going to the women's march to be held the day after the urinauguration. We were making signs today -- some of them are carrying my favorite:
WE CAME UNARMED.
THIS TIME.
Meanwhile, DC police announced they have received parking applications for 200 buses for the urinauguration.
At the same time, DC police announced they have received parking applications for 1,200 buses for the women's march.
Percy Cholmondeley
(74 posts)preferably a phone capable of videos, clear ones, if possible. James O'Keefe and his henchperson have already been caught trying to recruit helpers to cause trouble. I'm sure there are plenty of other false-flag types capable of dirty doings.
herding cats
(19,565 posts)Do something that people can spin, and then sit back and watch the fear spread through the masses.
It looks like it's working.