Please stop doing this.

[HassleCat]

We are getting a series of posts explaining how the women's march is somehow "tainted" because one of the organisers was a Bernie supporter, or dissed Hillary, or something. Are you serious, people? Can you not resist trampling sour grapes even for a few days? Even if your manufactured outrage detracts from the women's march? Are you unable to draw any lines? Have you no self control at all? Smoke a doobie, drink a beer, or do some breathing excercizes. Something, anything, to control these destructive impulses. Please.

[ismnotwasm]

1. Um

Chill.

[JHan]

2. I agree the march is more important..

but the snub was petty. Petty is as petty does.

However HRC supporters will have to be focused, go .. put on their hillary gear and support the march.

[HassleCat]

8. You have the idea!

Many people will be there with Hillary sweatshirts, etc. Make it a tribute to whatever women you admire, and that certainly includes Hillary.

[Motown_Johnny]

3. Manufactured Outrage Rules.

It seems to have become an addiction for some. Don't expect them to think about the damage they are doing with it. Addicts don't care, so long as they get their fix.

[dionysus]

29. In thebolden times we called it poutrage...

[cynatnite]

4. I'm not happy about it at all...

Still going to the march with my Hillary shirt!

[JHan]

6. That's the spirit :D

I'm visiting family for a while so I'm not there,, wish I was.

[Ken Burch]

9. Glad to hear it.

n/t.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Thank you.

Democrats are so good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory because we can't help fighting among ourselves. I hope we are starting to figure out that Trump is such a threat that we have to set this sort of petty bickering aside and oppose him as a united force.

[Ken Burch]

7. And it's refighting the primaries.

Just let it go, folks.

[Warren DeMontague]

10. It's because the primary fightin' forum got shut down, and some people don't know what to do with

themselves.

[Blue_Warrior]

11. Maybe the outraged...

Can have a protest march against the protest march?

[apcalc]

15. Damn good idea

[JoeOtterbein]

12. The "tainted" is from the mouths of GOP'ers trying to STOP women and men from GOING!

When we ever learn?

[malaise]

99. Ding ding

divide and rules works well

[Nictuku]

105. Absolutely!

[Eleanors38]

106. This!

[Drahthaardogs]

19. Old PUMAs never die

They just keep tilting windmills.

[otohara]

40. I Voted For Obama In 08

and swore if Hillary decided to run again I'd support her for all the hard work she did quickly after losing by 48,000 votes.
I am not alone - we were her built in army that surprised Sanders.

I'll die soon enough along with the rest of us old women - and the Millennials can take over and create socialist utopia.

[Drahthaardogs]

50. I have been here in one name or another since 2004

and I absolutely have come to dread some of the PUMAs. They really just drag the whole board down. It is the same names over and over and over and all they want to do is keep fighting the same tired old battle. It is tiresome...

[emulatorloo]

68. You say PUMA but I think you mean BoB's

Puma went away/died out in 2008 early '09.

Of course there are no BoB's here. They still exist but post elsewhere.

[Drahthaardogs]

85. No, it's them.

There was a time three of them literally hijacked GD for a couple months while they posted multiple threads on the same perceived injustice every day and then they all flooded to each thread to make the same comments to keep it all kicked. Thankfully two of those three seem to have moved on.

[emulatorloo]

88. Three people?

[Drahthaardogs]

91. There are more, but three were exceptionally great

At hijacking the front page with multiple threads saying the same thing. Made me long for a moderator who combines posts, but we don't have that here

[duhneece]

132. I don't know what a PUMA or a BoB is

Can you help me out?

[bravenak]

57. This millennial wont let them create that 'utopia'

I'm not interested

[apcalc]

14. Manufactured outrage?

Manufactured?
YOU ARE KIDDING, right?

Way to go, minimize people and their feelings.

revolting.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. it's an outrage!

[HassleCat]

20. I am not kidding.

If you are upset that Hillary was snubbed, then get out there with your Hillary sweatshirt And banners and hats and other stuff. But don't spread this nonsense that the March is somehow illegitimate because some Bernie supporter failed to respect Hillary.

[Skittles]

24. please tell us what exactly is unreasonable about this request

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028504740

[CajunBlazer]

69. No he is asking you to get your feelings under control

Before they become destructive to our cause.

[bdamomma]

17. I thought this was

a women's march to focus on women's issues i.e them overturning Roe vs Wade and the like. We are supposed to unite against this regime and give them hell.

[Raine]

18. Agree, Thanks for posting this ... let's all march for the good of the country!

[UTUSN]

21. I'm a dude. A Lib dude. Have voted for multiple Dems who are women, including Hil. I support the

march. Was strongly for her in '08 and when O won went on to convert into a stronger supporter for him than his original supporters who later abandoned him. Now, fast forward to now, I supported her faithfully in '16 (not like '08), and she is a Dem.

Honestly, I felt that Bernie sapped strength from her. He's on my side of my angels, but we should someday realize that Winning is the whole ball game in this system so a challenger who in the end is not the main chance only eventually helps the wingnuts win.

Now. After all that this woman has been through for 30 years, to slight her out of a tiny honor is another wound. I right now don't care if this is flamed.

[HassleCat]

23. OK, be disappointed or angry or whatever

But don't let it bleed over and mess up the women's march.

[UTUSN]

25. I am in no way advocating to "mess up the women's march". How about including her name in it?

[chillfactor]

31. good grief....

stop it already....this march is NOT about Hillary......you just perpetuate the us vs them mentality.

[UTUSN]

32. Here we go.So.It's about *other* women,all except her. OK Let's not continue"discussion"(with me) .

Seriously, I've said what I have to say, detest flaming, am leaving, forget this, bye.

[deurbano]

42. Thank you. I feel the same. Painful day. Don't need to see the person who should have been

inaugurated today slighted YET again at an event that will overwhelming be attended by her supporters, people who are devastated by this ridiculous, unfathomable, dangerous and deeply depressing outcome.

[pnwmom]

34. For most of us, Hillary is a large part of our inspiration, and she does deserve

to have her name included among the list of women who have inspired us.

Whoever deliberately decided not to include the name of the woman who had just won almost 67 million votes was perpetuating the mentality, not the people who want her included on the list.

[Raster]

47. Then for the love of Goddess, MAKE YOUR OWN STATEMENT...

...Wear it loud, wear it proud.

[joshcryer]

74. They will.

Just hope that there isn't sentiment like OP bashing Clinton supporters at the march, because it will be recorded, and it will become the story, the march for women will be about the hate for Clinton supporters.

[apcalc]

86. not for you maybe

I see it as twofold:

Against Twitler
For Hillary

Do what you want. I will.

[LakeArenal]

93. How about Hillary show up and march

Listen, I like Hillary, but she can march, too. Wear any friggin' shirt she wants.

It reminds me of Obama (who I like very much) promised to put on his comfortable shoes and march against union busting. But he didn't and I was disappointed in him.. You can like someone very much, they can disappoint you and you can still like them very much.

[joshcryer]

73. The only thing that will do that are views like the OP.

Which marginalize or dismiss the feelings of actual Clinton supporters.

If it turns out, which it likely will, that Clinton supporters get bashed at the women's march, and it is on video, that is what the march will become about.

Just like what happened at the Nevada caucuses.

[HassleCat]

79. Let me turn that around.

I can see where Hillary supporters might suspect there would be an effort to sling some mud at Hillary, since there are Bernie supporters involved with organizing the march. But what about this? What if Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters start raving at each other? It's not likely but some of the posts here reflect a level of emotion that seems to make people really suspicious of each other, or worse.

[joshcryer]

81. That's exactly what I'm afraid of.

All manufactured outrage. All because of a little thing. It's crazy. But it could happen. Violence broke out at the NV caucases all because people didn't grasp the process.

[Equinox Moon]

22. Thank you for posting this!

I was going to start a similar thread. It is entirely possible this was a rumor/meme to sabotage the Women's March.

I will be at the Women's March tomorrow!

[loyalsister]

26. The list of honorees are mostly marginalized women

If the Hillary were includedm why not Nancy Pelosi, Geraldine Ferraro, etc.
I'm glad they're not about celebrating powerful privileged women who are celebreated frequently anyway.

[Warpy]

27. Thank you, this march is about WOMEN

and not anyone's pet politician.

They can march. It's just not about them, any of them, male or female or any other option.

[chillfactor]

28. THANK YOU!

I am just as sick and tired of this us vs them mentality as you are. These people need a life.

[truebluegreen]

30. Amen.

[nolabear]

33. Agreed! It does no one any good!

We NEED each other, people!

[barbtries]

35. i'm with you.

i'm here in DC, and almost every person i have encountered is here to march tomorrow. they say the number is up to 400,000!
in my hotel the clerk estimated that 70% of the guests are here for the march!

this is huge, and it is about THE FUTURE. please save the anger for another day. i'm not trying to argue that the anger is unwarranted. hell, i still pretty much believe that bernie would have won. but it doesn't matter. what matters is where we go from here, and we need to be united in resistance to the plague that has overcome the government of the united states.

[Stonepounder]

36. +1000 K & R

I'm with you, HassleCat! Was Hillary screwed over? Hell yes. Was the election stolen? Hell Yes! Should we be damn pissed about that? Double Hell Yes! Did the Russians hack our election, almost certainly Hell Yes!

But...

No matter how much you wish it, Hillary will never be President. The Orange Trumpenfurher is now the President of the United States and THAT is what we need to fight. We need to support the ACLU and it's FOA request and support Citizens for Ethics and Responsibility.
(See http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141671932 and http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141672210 if you missed them.)

We need to demonstrate, march, and never, never let up. Trump may be POTUS but he will NEVER, EVER by MY President. That is what we need to focus on moving forward. And we NEED to hold the DNC's feet to the fire to find us an up and coming Progressive Democrat who can get exposure NOW to be ready in 2020 and we need to find Progressive Democrats who can run for the House and Senate to undead these monsters who have hijacked our government for the sake of their plutocratic masters.

We can't spend our time looking back and fighting about who did what to whom. We can remember and we cannot forget, but we need Solidarity and we need to move forward to Take Back OUR Country and really Make America Greater for ALL!

[Snackshack]

38. Can not...

Agree with you more.

If the pitch forks, emotions, anger, focus etc don't start getting pointed at the man sworn in as the 45th President of the United States today and his enablers instead of each other the republicans are going to have a field day kicking the Democratic Party around at will with legislative bill after legislative bill until the mid terms...at least.

I didn't like how this turned out anymore than anyone else here. HRC should have been the one taking the oath today...but she didn't. The elation felt 8yrs ago when President Obama took the oath should have been matched or exceeded today with HRC standing in front of the Chief Justice... instead it was a feeling of complete despair.

Because there is evidence that the election was not fair, that it was influenced by people both foreign and domestic. So take the anger you feel right now and focus it on fighting back against trump and the republicans instead of each other. If we don't it is only going to get worse.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

39. There is a bigger fish to fry (tRump) than any old feuds. Stay focused. . . nt

[Ned Flanders]

41. Let the haters hate.

Their attitude is one of the reasons I believe in the revolution.

[keepthemhonestO]

43. i think

I mean it possible they are real, but I think they are trolls trying to ruin our momentum. Fuck that.

[Leith]

44. Very VERY Much Agree!

People are still whining about this snub or that person got more press several months ago. Just stop it!

Here is who you are helping and amusing:

http://www.discussionist.com/

They are giggling like 6 year olds over people's hurt fee-fees. Those are the enemy and they hate you. People who supported Sanders in the primaries are not your enemy. March organizers are not the enemy. Protesters are not the enemy.

The enemy can be found at the link above. They are those who loudly and obnoxiously support orange boy and who threaten every one of us because we don't share their politics.

Stop kicking your allies or they won't be there when you need them.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

51. What is that site? Just a general forum for anyone?

Some posters here apparently get discussed a lot.

They're famous!

[emulatorloo]

53. It is owned by the DU guys. Designed for mixed discussion between conservatives and liberals

[Buckeye_Democrat]

54. Ah! That's probably why the lay-out is similar. Thanks! n/t

[Leith]

55. It's a Failed Experiment

It was started by a couple of the people who run DU as a way to get good, intelligent discussions with conservatives. That failed because good, intelligent conservatives didn't show up. Now it's full of trolls and mentally disturbed teeny-boppers who amuse themselves by insulting everyone they define as not one of them. TPTB should have just let the site die because they certainly aren't interested in encouraging conversations. It's just a gathering place for cons who can't keep up at freeperville or 4chan.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

58. Thanks for the details! n/t

[Leith]

62. Anyone Can Join

Be aware that the gang will attack and insult you. Any type of defense you give will get your post hidden and more abuse will be thrown your way. Have fun.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

65. I don't plan to join. I was just curious about their apparent curiosity with DU. n/t

[astral]

96. I am wondering where 2-way discussion IS allowed.

We need to expand the list of topics upon which disagreement is not allowed. It is a long list. When I came to DU it was 'found' in a search for one thing or another, I saw the word 'democratic' and mistook it for a description of what this site was about. I proceeded to be astonished about certain points of view, and to get into hot water for posting about it.

I find it harder and harder to accept the change that has come over the forum over the years. I continue to support it hoping it will continue to change from what it is now, a cesspool of rabid f-bomb droppers who can not stand to be told that inciting violence is not the way. The violence incited by the inauguration 'protesters' does not even get discussed. We are all just sad that we didn't disrupt the inauguration I guess. Where are the true Democratic Adults? They are here, too, that's what keeps me coming back, but they appear to be greatly outnumbered by the opposite. The non-democratic, non-adults.

The world is just not as black and white as some people would wish it to be. It continues to amaze me how much opinion is more important than the gathering of information, to so many here. There us so much if it I don't buy into. And now that THE ELECTION IS OVER and has been over for quite some time, I want to take our new President at his word and watch his actions before judging whether he will be a good or a bad president.

I want to know and understand about opposing points of view, and to know what is considered 'breaking news' here. And I like to spend time in the non-political topics to, which can be informative and entertaining as well as a great source of new music to discover.

I also keep coming back for the Sunday LOL-Cats.

[joshcryer]

45. Can we acknowledge people are upset about something?

Can we also acknowledge that it probably isn't that big a deal and can be trivially rectified?

[Mr. Evil]

46. I don't have a problem with

Bernie supporters (of which I was and still am one) or Hillary supporters (I voted for her). The people that I have a problem with are the ones that just said "fuck it" and stayed home.

[red dog 1]

48. "a series of posts"?

How many different people are responsible for this "series of posts"?

If one of the organizers of the woman's march was a Bernie supporter, so what?

I'm sure that MANY of the likely hundreds of thousands of women who will march tomorrow in Washington were Bernie supporters.

[murielm99]

49. I agree with you on this,

and everyone knows I can't stand Bernie. It is time for us to work together against a common enemy.

Yes, trump is an enemy. He is an enemy of democracy, fair elections, our very way of life.

[IronLionZion]

52. This song can help

It's lowers the heart rate and is very relaxing. Great for meditation or yoga

[bullwinkle428]

56. If our coalition of resistance against this monstrous regime is literally

falling to pieces on the very first night, then we may very well deserve to end up in the dustbin of history alongside the remnants of the freaking Whig party.

[Cha]

59. The March Will Go On.. but whomever decided to leave Hillary's

name of the Honoree List was insensitive to Millions of Women.

Hillary Clinton's Name Was Omitted From the Women's March Honoree List and People Are Angry

snip//

On Thursday, January 19, the movement released a document about its guiding vision and definition of principles, which included the names of 27 women who have "paved the way" for equal rights. Clinton, who was the first-ever female presidential nominee for a major political party, was not among them — and people took notice.

snip//

A petition on Change.org was created in light of the omission. "As activists and allies, we are dismayed that March organizers excluded Hillary Rodham Clinton as an honoree who has inspired women around the world to serve and to lead," the request reads.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/hillary-clintons-name-left-off-womens-march-honoree-list-w462125

[Lucinda]

82. + eleventy billion

[mrgorth]

60. Thank you!

Seemed like a lot of new threads about the same thing to me too.

[emulatorloo]

61. Chill. Everyone is going to the march who planned to go. Stop telling yr fellow DU'ers to STFU

So you need to relax, march, and stop telling your fellow DU'ers to STFU.

josh says this much more succinctly than me

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028505079#post45

Personally it annoys me that one of the organizers is still butthurt over primary 2016.

It pisses me off that their guiding principle statement is a quote from HRC, but they don't credit the quote.

At best it is plagiarism, at worst it is a petty attempt to diminish and erase HRC's service. Just like Donald Trump did.

That being said the march is too big a deal and every one is very excited to stand together against Trump.

So nobody is going to sit home over the pettiness and posturing of that one organizer.

Nobody here is trying to sabotage it.

That doesn't mean those of us who are annoyed by her behavior are bad people who need to be silenced.

Nor does it mean you get to project that woman's petty behavior/butthurt on those of us who find her behavior annoying.

[leftofcool]

63. Nope. I make my own decisions about how I feel, but thanks.

[Cha]

123. Exactly.. not gonna let anyone tell me how I should feel

about anything..

[Justice]

64. Please stop doing this - misleading

A list of honored women was published by the March Committe on What, Thursday?

Hillary was omitted from the list.

It was stupid, petty and disrespectful.

I am in DC to March - and I am pissed off. It is not that I came saying this was a March about Hillary. It is that a Bernie backer decided she would try to erase Hillary. Cold hearted.

Why have a list at all? Some of the names are unknown to some of us.

People say be united but look to knife you in the back. And then have the nerve to say don't be upset. Please.

[Cha]

124. Very misleading.. Thank you, Justice! Thank you for Marching!

[Flyingmonkey]

66. How will we ever

Overcome Trump if we are going to spend the next four years rending our garments over HRC.
Time to keep our eyes on the ball in play.

[demmiblue]

67. Trash thread and ignore are valuable tools.

Tomorrow is going to be FIERCE!

[zentrum]

70. Oh God--

The march is about so much more than HRC. It's about BLM and xenophobia and the environment, and privatization and, and, and.....

So, yes, please stop trying to re-litigate the primaries. If honoring HRC is your only issue then by all means march for her.

[emulatorloo]

71. Organizer Linda Sarsour is the one trying to re-litigate the primaries. Not your fellow DU'ers.

Everyone who planned to march is gonna march, no matter what petty nonsense the butthurt organizer has pulled.

No one is gonna let that stop them.

Stop blaming your fellow DU'ers for the behavior of Ms. Sarsour.

[zentrum]

72. Sort of addressing

..Sarsour and all who think like her. But, point taken.

[joshcryer]

76. Yes, if you don't think in lock step...

...you can't have any feelings or opinions whatsoever and you should just shut the fuck up.

A lot of Hillary supporters are going to be blind sided and if it gets ugly it will be used by the MSM to completely marginalize the march.

And people will point fingers over something so trivial it's a joke.

If there is anyone out there cutting down Hillary supporters during the march they should be marginalized themselves and cast out as agents provocateurs.

[emulatorloo]

90. Appreciate it. March is gonna be awesome! So many strong women standing up against Trump

[workinclasszero]

75. +1

[TransitJohn]

77. You expect rationality or unity on a messageboard that still largely blames Ralph Nader

for Bush's installation into the White House?

[emulatorloo]

89. Do you expect rationality from Nader apologists?

[TransitJohn]

94. Lol

Enjoy your self-satisfaction.

[emulatorloo]

95. Read up on psychological projection when you get some spare time

Short version:


Corrupt Republicans accusing others of corruption
Self-satisfied Nader apologists accusing others of self-satisfaction

[TransitJohn]

103. :)

Well, at least you're comfortable. When have I 'apologized' for Nader. Get a grip, hombre.

[MFM008]

78. If I could I would just go

to DC and meander.
March wherever you want with whoever.
Your presence there is important.

[get the red out]

80. Thank you!

I really believe that Hillary Clinton, being the fighter that she is, wants all of us to be unified against Trump.

[Lucinda]

83. How about you stop trying to micromanage other posters views. n/t

[riderinthestorm]

84. K&R! nt

[littlemissmartypants]

87. Agree.

It's a shame so many can't resist the knee jerk reaction to signal boost negative and horrendous things. And misery loves company. I am fairly convinced that is part of the reason we got the president we have now. Stay encouraged HassleCat. Thanks for the post. ♡

[asuhornets]

92. Ok I'll smoke a doobie....Happy Women March Day!!!!! n/t

[The Wizard]

97. Trolls (NT)

[malaise]

98. Well said

My response to one of the posts was simply FFS!

[Initech]

100. Do. Not. Let. Them. Frame. The. Narrative!!!!

Because that's when we get lost and divided. We must focus on maintaining the anti-Trump narrative!

[Cracklin Charlie]

101. They hate organizing.

They want you to fight each other instead of them.

Eyes on the prize, ya'll!

More organizing!

[redstatebluegirl]

102. Both sides need to let it go. Bernie's supporters are just as bad as Hillary's

We need to come together to defeat this fascist nutcase and his band of dark billed thieves.

[A HERETIC I AM]

104. "Trampling sour grapes"?!?

You're mixing your metaphors

Go read the Aesop Fable. The Fox didn't trample the grapes.

[HassleCat]

110. Less common saying, not Fox and grapes.

"Trampling" is the clue here. It refers to wine making and the motion that using sour grapes produces bad wine. If somebody cautions you not to trample sour grapes, they're suggesting not carrying bitterness or disappointment from an unpleasant experience into new ventures.

[Eleanors38]

107. Hillary & Bernie supporters in abundance at Austin marches.

[paleotn]

108. Stop the goddamn infighting....

...I don't care who the hell anyone supported in the primary. That's long over and this is a war for the soul of the nation. WE HAVE TO STAND TOGETHER!!! Or we will certainly all be oppressed like nothing we've ever imagined. Just take a look at Putin's Russian and you'll see what we're in for. Get it?! Gezzus fucking H. Christ people!!!

[George II]

109. You know, you're doing EXACTLY what you're complaining other people are doing!

[HassleCat]

111. One thing is just like any other thing

Just as our new leader tells us. I most definitely am not suggesting the women's march is in any way less legitimate, or lacking, or otherwise flawed because the organisers insulted or slighted anyone.

[George II]

113. In the OP you're complaining about the "sour grapes" and "manufactured outrage" of others.

[HassleCat]

115. True. And my characterization is accurate.

When I see a series of posts, all complaining about some unfairness to a particular candidate, and all making the same accusations, all pointing at the same person as the Bad Guy, I know something is going on. I do not believe this particular "post barrage" was a spontaneous outpouring. What really struck me as interesting was the way so many posts passed up the opportunity to support Hillary, in favor of attacking event organizers.

[Cha]

120. No it isn't. "Hillary Clinton's Name Was Omitted From the Women's March Honoree List and People Are

Angry"

snip//

On Thursday, January 19, the movement released a document about its guiding vision and definition of principles, which included the names of 27 women who have "paved the way" for equal rights. Clinton, who was the first-ever female presidential nominee for a major political party, was not among them — and people took notice.

snip//

A petition on Change.org was created in light of the omission. "As activists and allies, we are dismayed that March organizers excluded Hillary Rodham Clinton as an honoree who has inspired women around the world to serve and to lead," the request reads.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/hillary-clintons-name-left-off-womens-march-honoree-list-w462125

[HassleCat]

126. I found it very interesting that so many people were angry

And so few suggested doing anything about it, except accuse the organisers of being Hillary Haters. Did they ask the organizers to put Hillary's name on list? Maybe it would have been too late.

[NurseJackie]

112. This doesn't seem to be helping either...

Frankly, I think it probably makes things worse to demean and marginalize people by characterizing their genuine, sincere and heartfelt concern as being "sour grapes" or "manufactured" ... or by suggesting that people are lacking self-control over "impulses".

Seriously... why do this? What purpose does it serve?

[HassleCat]

114. Because I see it as phony.

Some of the posts, certainly not all, but far too many, actually suggested the whole event was somehow spoiled by insulting Hillary. This is continuing the behavior that plagued us all through the election, jumping on everything and everyone, and attributing the worst possible motives. When we get post after post decrying something as the Crime of the Century, it indicates manufactured outrage. Or maybe it's just too much emotional investment, but the accusations in some of the posts are out of control.

[NurseJackie]

116. There's nothing like throwing a little gasoline on the fire just to see what happens ...

... is always fun, eh?

In one sentence you're scolding people and encouraging them to cease that which you find to be offensive or objectionable ... but then you immediately fan the flames and hurl insults that only serve to make matters worse.

Why? What do you expect to accomplish? What did you think would happen here?

[HassleCat]

117. Oh, I expected some "I am so, so deeplyl offended!"

Of course. I realize many people are still angry and bitter about some of the back and forth personal attacks from the primaries. Feelings are so raw that nobody can say anything without stirring up accusations of diviseness, attacks, trolling, insults, etc. I could have said, "With only the deepest respect, please allow me to attempt to suggest that perhaps, just maybe, you might be just a smidgeon..." And that would elicit the same responses.

Why? Because we have conditioned ourselves to go into attack more at the drop of a hat. Or the omission of a name, in this case. This is very self-indulgent, and I have to be careful not to call people names when they get all hyperbolic, and I certainly do not hurl insults, exvept, of course, that everything seems to be an insult now.

Anyway, the marches all went off very well and there wasn't any apparent spillover from these back and forth skirmishes we have on DU. I guess these huge offenses on DU don't amount to much outside these walls. Imagine that!

[NurseJackie]

118. So if it's not all that important or meaningful "outside these walls" ...

... then why would you go out of your way to insult, belittle and offend people? What purpose does that serve? Even now you're fanning the flames by calling people "self-indulgent". #Sad.

I could have said, "With only the deepest respect, please allow me to attempt to suggest that perhaps, just maybe, you might be just a smidgeon..."

Or you could have just said nothing and let it go rather than poking people with sharp sticks and making it worse. Good to see where your priorities are. I'm sure there's nothing quite as satisfying as being right, no matter what the actual cost may be.

[HassleCat]

119. Thanks for making my point.

[NurseJackie]

122. Oh brother!

I think you someone should probably tell you that the vague, nondescript and imprecise retort of "thanks for making my point" really isn't a convincing way to declare victory as you may think it is. It's more like throwing in the towel.

PS: By the way. You did a pretty good job of "making your point" from the outset. It was very clear to many what your "point" was... no clarification needed.

[HassleCat]

125. Thank you again!

[Cha]

127. Really.. he's not fooling anyone.

[NurseJackie]

128. He's trying too hard. Intensity is not a substitute for sincerity. And ...

... I can see right through it.

PS: Hi, Cha! Hope you're doing well!

[Cha]

131. Yeah I know.. Thank you for seeing that

I'm doing well as can be expected under the circumstances as we say.

Hope you're doing quite well! Great to see all these Marches going so fantastically well!

[NurseJackie]

134. It's often easy to discern someone's sincerity when it is supplanted by ...

... the "I-got-the-last-word-so-I-win" philosophy. As is often the case, if one looks closely enough and gives just enough rope... the actual motives reveal themselves with little effort and without needing much leeway for interpretation of intent.

A wise teacher once told me --- If you listen more than you talk, then you're more likely to learn something. Also, if you pay attention to what someone doesn't say or avoids saying (as opposed to what they do say) then that can be very revealing too.

Earlier I'd asked someone a simple and direct question. I phrased it in various ways and repeated it in a couple of different posts in case it was overlooked ("What purpose does it serve?" and "What do you expect to accomplish?" and "What did you think would happen here?&quot and each time my direct question was ignored or dodged.

The fear or answering (or unwillingness to answer) tells me more than I need to know. There's an axiom that says "the facts speak for themselves" ... an apropos corollary would be "the silence speaks loudly too". Oh well.


#Sad

[HassleCat]

130. And thank you, as well!

[Cha]

121. Thank you for saying that, Jackie

[jimlup]

129. We have a common enemy and it is a serious situation

we need to man the stations and fight back not squabble among ourselves.

[yuiyoshida]

133. I would love a doobie, its my birthday, there are no

Marijuana stores open yet in SF.... please someone send me a joint !