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GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 09:56 AM Jan 2017

Thinking about "America's Maidan"

Last edited Thu Jan 26, 2017, 10:57 AM - Edit history (1)

Following on from my post yesterday, here is some speculation on the form of "America's Maidan"

As we watch events in Washington unfold with breath-taking speed, the question begging to be asked is, "What next?" While it's impossible to predict in the current environment of rapid change and escalating confusion, one common theme has begun to float around the blogosphere. The theme is that of a pretext, a manufactured event that precipitates a national crisis permitting the adoption of draconian measures. Here is my speculation on the sort of event we should be prepared to see.

Those who see the American catastrophe as the ascension of Trump as an homegrown authoritarian dictator are drawn to the metaphor of the Reichstag fire of 1933. That fire, blamed on a young Dutch communist, was the pretext that cemented Hitler's grip on power.

Others (of which I am one) see it as a Duginist operation mounted to destroy the foundations of liberal, inclusive American democracy and eliminate its hegemony. In that case we could profitably look to the Duginist operation in Ukraine's Maidan Square (which was easily blamed on the USA, possibly even with some justification) as a model. Of course the situation in America is entirely different from Ukraine, so the pretext will look very little like Maidan. It will be planned to take advantage of pre-existing conditions here.

It is important to note that if this is the case, no liberal Western democracy is safe from interference, including and perhaps especially Canada.

Any speculation about such a pretext must begin with the possible goals. In the case of Duginism, the goals are clearly stated. They include the isolation of the USA within its geographic sphere of influence, creation of intense internal conflict, and the moral and ethnic cleansing of the USA.

Starting from that premise about the goals, we can imagine various pretexts that would promote them. I'm going to present a speculative event that would advance all of them simultaneously. And you can bet that if I can imagine something like this, Aleksandr Dugin is already several moves ahead.

My imaginary scenario can be stated quite concisely:

A coordinated, perhaps simultaneous, series of terrorist attacks take place in Washington DC. The attacks consists of three devastating bombings directed at a mix of upper-middle-class citizens and the government, and a major school hostage-taking similar to what happened in Beslan in 2004. The subsequent investigation reveals that the perpetrators are apparently Islamic jihadists who entered the United States from Canada.

If you think about the probable outcome, it's clear that such an event would accomplish all the stated goals, regardless of whether we face a homegrown Hitler or Duginist disruption:

* It would precipitate a ferocious pogrom on American Muslims, with enthusiastic participation by both official forces and private citizens. Anyone who does not look like a white European could become a target in the resulting internal warfare.

* It would permit the adoption of unlimited, unquestioned authoritarian powers by the President, similar to what happened in 1933.

* It would probably cause America to close its borders entirely, especially in the inbound direction.

* And finally, it would cast an enormous cloud of suspicion and animossity over Canada, and probably force our government to adopt more repressive policies. Anti-Muslim sentiments in Canada would grow like weeds in a vacant lot.

As a final thought, the optimal timing for such an event would be right after Congress starts talking seriously about impeachment.

Please keep your eyes, ears and mind open. Think carefully about what you see happening.

That's really all I have to say about this at the moment (and it could be far too much already.)
We'll see where events take us. Good luck everyone.

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Thinking about "America's Maidan" (Original Post) GliderGuider Jan 2017 OP
An "American Maidan" will not happen. For geographical reasons. DetlefK Jan 2017 #1
Maidan is a very loose metaphor, as I implied. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #2
Kiev is in central Ukraine. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2017 #3

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
1. An "American Maidan" will not happen. For geographical reasons.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 10:21 AM
Jan 2017

Ukraine was historically, politically and culturally split into an eastern part more oriented towards Russia and a western part more oriented towards Europe. When Yanukovych decided to move Ukraine closer to russia and away from Europe, the population of West-Ukraine did not take this well.
The "Maidan" only happened because Kiev was geographically in a territory with a strong pro-western population.

In the US, on the other hand, politics isn't really tied to geography. Sure, there is the rural-urban Conservative-Democrat-divide, but the two voting-blocs are still fairly good intermixed.



And false-flag terror-attacks will be pretty hard to pull off.

And entirely disconnected from who did it, it wouldn't look good for the Republicans. 9/11 happened under a republican President. No terror-attacks under Obama. And then the next wave of terror-attacks under yet another republican President???

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
2. Maidan is a very loose metaphor, as I implied.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 10:43 AM
Jan 2017

It's not intended at all as a road-map for this situation. A closer parallel might be Beslan, or the Russian apartment bombings that journalist Alexander Litvenenko happened to be investigating when he accidentally drank some polonium tea.

I suspect that a major goal of the Duginists is to foment a pogrom against non-white Americans, and any liberals that can be identified as such.

I also think that Steve Bannon is a Duginist or at least sympathetic to those aims. If that is true, that could help to reduce the logistical difficulties and promote the proper messaging afterwards. The suspicion of the Republicans being implicated in such an event would be swept aside in the wave of hysteria, with a good blast of public messaging, as happened after 9/11.

Think it can't happen here? Perhaps you could think again.

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