This whole Wall thing has to be the most goddamn idiotic thing I've ever heard in my life.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

Seriously, Trump's supporters get so legitimately excited about it, as if it's going to be a great panacea to solve all the country's ills. Heart of hearts, they actually think it will work. Yesterday on Facebook they were ecstatic about it. I even saw someone saying they should put landmines on the southern border of it.

It's a wall, people. A glorified fence. For everyone who thinks this will stop the flow of illegal drugs into the US, do yourself a favor. Go to Netflix and watch Narcos. Watch the documentary Cocaine Cowboys. And then ask yourself how in the hell is a shitty wall going to make a difference with that?

This is lunacy. And telling people that it's lunacy only makes them more enthusiastic about it.

The whole deal is nothing more than the Simpsons Monorail episode. And we're all Marge.

[MFM008]

1. really?

Crowd sizes didnt get you?
anything maggot says?

[NightWatcher]

2. Like I've said, they tried it before

From my other post


3. The border fence, yes they tried to secure the border before, was a mess
I know a guy who worked for environmental compliance on the fence and the biggest challenge is that the border goes through wild, beautiful, fields, mountains, bodies of water, ditches, protected parks and nature refuges. You can't just slap down a traditional wall.

He's just selling lies to idiots. A wall cannot straddle the border.

[Chipper Chat]

4. Bill Press just said on CNN

"15 billion for a wall in the 21st century using 19th century techniques is unbelievably stupid."

[etherealtruth]

5. "He's just selling lies to idiots" ... exactly!

If I recall correctly el Chapo and friends actually constructed tunnels under the border .

[unblock]

6. yes, there's already a wall, and some of it puts america houses on the other side....

[unblock]

3. and most of the nutjobs loving the wall are in places far, far from mexico.

seriously, how many people actually enter the country by crossing the rio grande and then make their way to ohio or michigan?

i'm sure it happens occasionally, but really, how many -- compared to how many people simply overstay their visas?

[Goblinmonger]

14. Not that I'm advocating the wall

but there are a lot of illegals in Wisconsin. At least more than one would assume. There are lots of agricultural jobs up here, too.

[unblock]

19. Specifically, who crossed the Mexican border by land without documentation?

I know it happens, but most simply overstay a work or tourist visa; others come by way of Canada; others by air or sea, whether hidden or with fake papers, etc.

And of course, the wall won't change anything for smuggling people in.

In fact, just about the only thing it affects is people just walking across.

[smirkymonkey]

26. "40% of undocumented immigrants come by air"

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/08/jorge-ramos/ramos-40-undocumented-immigrants-come-air/

"Depending on which poll you believe, between 40 and 50 percent of Americans support building a wall or fence along the border with Mexico. Jorge Ramos, a news anchor on Univision and Fusion, makes no secret of his disdain for the idea.

A few days after attracting widespread notice after being thrown out of a Donald Trump press conference while asking a question on immigration policy (he was later allowed back in), Ramos accepted an invitation to appear on Fox News’ The O’Reilly Factor on Sept. 2, 2015. Host Bill O’Reilly’s first question pressed him on the issue of a border wall.

O’Reilly: "You don’t want a border wall. You don’t want that. Why not?"

Ramos: "It’s a completely absurd idea. Why would you want to build a 1,900-mile wall between Mexico and the United States if almost 40 percent of all immigrants come by plane and they overstay their visas?"

Ramos is far from the first person to deploy the statistic that 40 percent of unauthorized immigrants come into the country under a legal visa and then stay beyond its expiration date. Two Republican presidential candidates, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, have said the same thing. When we checked Rubio’s claim, we rated it Mostly True."

[Goblinmonger]

35. I personally know over a dozen different families

that came across the border without documentation.

And I completely agree that the wall will change nothing. It's stupid. Personally, I'm for open borders. From the families I've talked to, anyone that wants to be here is here.

[Raine1967]

24. Personally, I prefer undocumented as opposed to the term illegals. eom.

[Goblinmonger]

36. Fair enough.

[TBA]

7. It is medieval technology

Which can be breached by medeval technology (tunnels, ladders).

[KittyWampus]

12. And airplanes. Seriously, many illegal immigrants over-stayed their visas.

[randome]

8. More billions would be needed to protect the wall.

It's mind-boggling what these buffoons don't consider.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[Dave Starsky]

9. If it isn't the dumbest idea in WORLD history, I don't know what is.

I can't believe people are talking about it like it's actually something we should do.

Wall: $12,000,000,000
Shovel: 200 pesos

[louis-t]

10. The repugs in my office run around saying:

"We're building a wall!!1!1!" and saying Mexico is going to pay for it. I respond "No, you are paying for it with all the money you made while Obama was president."

[Greybnk48]

11. Right up there with Reagan's Star Wars bullshit

that some people believed was real.

[killbotfactory]

13. Don't worry, the Mexicans will never figure out the tunnel thing

Or how to board an airplane.

[jehop61]

15. OK, so

they find the money.....then engineering studies are needed to account for the variety of topography.......then contracts have to be pit out for bid, making sure said contractors are complying with all federal regulations.....then contracts are bid for materials.......THEN we'll be ready to dig that first fence post. Maybe 2019 or so

[Tommy_Carcetti]

16. Federal regulations....pfft.

[jehop61]

17. You

Do have a point

[Tommy_Carcetti]

20. It will all be finished by November 2017.

And it will have fallen apart by December 2017.

[Grammy23]

22. Are you serious? With the way things work regarding projects like this,

I suspect just the surveying, legal maneuvers and bidding process might well take 10 years or more to even get the project under way. Any guesses on how long the actual construction phase will take? tRump will be molding in his grave by the time this thing is finished.

[Bengus81]

18. Wouldn't it be a HELL of alot cheaper to fine the $hit out of....

people who HIRE illegals instead of blowing 15-20 Billion $$$. They come mainly for a job. Oh wait...I guess that would be stepping on toes of Neo Cons who employ them.

[Grammy23]

25. My thought exactly.

As long as employers can hire the undocumented workers with NO PENALTY, they will hire them. The people come here for WORK that is better than what they can get in their native countries. It doesn't take a genius to figure out if the jobs are here, the employers hire with no fear of being fined, then the people needing those jobs will come to do them. Their focus needs to be on more than just the workers.

[smirkymonkey]

27. Thank YOU!

But of course not, that makes too much sense. God, I hate this country sometimes!

[Phoenix61]

31. Exactly

If they couldn't work here they wouldn't be here.

[Generator]

21. It's just sure plain scapegoating

Mexicans took their jobs. Mexicans have health care they don't have. It's all lies. The bottom line-make someone else suffer because nothing is going to make your life better. It's really about being mean and evil. And dumb. The jobs are not coming back. The jobs aren't there. Automation took them. Real jobs require real education.

Everyone is now free to pick their own produce and mow their own lawns and work construction. I guess those are the jobs Trumpers want. Because those are immigrant jobs-let's see the Trumpers live off of those with Trumpcare that covers nothing.

[AngryAmish]

23. It is a symbol of unity

Trump rallies were a lot of fun for the participants. Everyone wants to hear the punchline. It gets them excited. So whenever they hear it.

[Doreen]

28. I have a question.

When all of the illegals are out and the wall is up are all of the beer guzzling Trump supporters going to do the jobs now available? Did any of those supporters ever go and apply for those jobs? Could those supporters handle those type of jobs? Just asking.

[onethatcares]

29. all this shit due to the

fact the average american can't stand the sound of another language while they shop at walmart.

[Danascot]

30. The Great Molly Ivins Talks About the Wall

n 1983, I was a judge at the Terlingua Chili Cookoff, and my memory of the events may not be perfect -- for example, for years I've been claiming Jimmy Carter was president at the time, but that's the kind of detail one often loses track of in Terlingua.

Anyway, it was '83 or some year right around there when we held The Fence climbing contest. See, people talked about building The Fence back then, too. The Fence along the Mexican border. To keep Them out.

At the time, the proposal was quite specific -- a 17-foot cyclone fence with bob wire at the top. So a test fence was built at Terlingua, and the First-Ever Terlingua Memorial Over, Under or Through Mexican Fence Climbing Contest took place. Prize: a case of Lone Star beer. Winning time: 30 seconds.

I tell this story to make the one single point about the border and immigration we know to be true: The Fence will not work. No fence will work. The Great darn Wall of China will not work. Do not build a fence. It will not work. They will come anyway. Over, under or through.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/30/ivins.immigration/

[hunter]

32. Unless it's meant to keep us in...

There will be a lot of people trying to leave the U.S. if this Trump circus continues.

Hell, Trumplandia has already witnessed some of their best and brightest fleeing their oppressive racist misogynistic homophobic anti-intellectual hells.

[Skittles]

33. they are dumber than dirt

seriously fucking STUPID

[WiffenPoof]

34. A wall plays right into...

...the way a person on the RIGHT thinks. It is (in their way of thinking) a simple solution...a sound bite solution.