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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 09:57 PM Jan 2017

"The Founder A Trumpian biopic of Ray Kroc

IT WAS apposite that “The Founder” opened on the day of Donald Trump’s inauguration; Ray Kroc—a businessman who transformed the McDonald’s franchise—was a turbo-charged egomaniac. He neared bankruptcy several times, behaved with questionable business ethics and became successful beyond even his wildest dreams. He was also the offspring of immigrants (Czech, rather than German), thrice married and, obviously, a big fan of fast food.

Unlike the president, however, Kroc was entirely self-made. At the age of 52 he was criss-crossing the Midwest as salesman of milkshake mixers. With normally mediocre sales, Kroc cannot believe it when an unsolicited order for six milkshake mixers comes in. His curiosity is piqued: he drives all the way from Missouri to San Bernardino, California, to check out the business. The restaurant increases its order when he talks to them on the phone.

What he finds in San Bernardino is a bustling joint where customers happily stand in line for burgers and fries that are miraculously prepared in 30 seconds rather than 30 minutes (this is 1954). Kroc meets Richard and Maurice McDonald, the founders of the business, and invites them to dinner to learn about the Speedee Service System they devised. The brothers tell him how they introduced Taylorism to the burger kitchen, served food in practical paper wraps rather than on fussy plates, and made clients stand in line rather than sit in the car to get their food. Their system became the model for the fast-food industry around the world.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2017/01/founder


Saw it today.
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"The Founder A Trumpian biopic of Ray Kroc (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 OP
Song by Mark Knopfler: Cracklin Charlie Jan 2017 #1
GREAT song! Have seen him perform it more than once live. bullwinkle428 Jan 2017 #5
Amazing movie, Keaton's best ever role HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #2
I would... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #3
The brothers got quite a bit of money each HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #4
What is interesting is how far McDonalds has departed from it core mission DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #8
Fast casual like Chipotle really took a bite out of fast food HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #9
The original McDonalds reminds me of an In And Out which is hugely successful DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #13
I saw it with my wife a couple nights ago Docreed2003 Jan 2017 #6
He was a Willy Loman like character until half way into the film. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #7
Only his kids Ligyron Jan 2017 #10
Fred Turner was the surrogate kid HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #11
According to the movie his secretary became rich and so did some of his business associates. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #12
His secretary did not just passively become rich like HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #14
I agree... And if the depiction in the movie is true so did Joan Kroc. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #15
LOL, my reply was referencing Trump's kids. Ligyron Jan 2017 #16
McDonalds is back!!! HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #17
 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
2. Amazing movie, Keaton's best ever role
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 10:21 PM
Jan 2017

He comes across as brilliant, obsessive, always a dreamer, but not a nice guy. The brothers are brilliant, but have zero vision. He partners with them, they make his life challenging, he steam rolls them.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
3. I would...
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 10:26 PM
Jan 2017

I would have let the brothers keep their name on their original restaurant and given them their one percent royalties. But that's why I'm not rich.


It was funny how his country club pals junked up his franchises.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
4. The brothers got quite a bit of money each
Fri Jan 27, 2017, 11:30 PM
Jan 2017

But it does make me think of the unnamed somebody that sold DOS to Bill Gates for 5 figures.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
8. What is interesting is how far McDonalds has departed from it core mission
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 10:06 AM
Jan 2017

What is interesting is how far McDonalds has departed from it core mission of just serving burgers, fries, and shakes.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
9. Fast casual like Chipotle really took a bite out of fast food
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 10:10 AM
Jan 2017

The franchises got desperate. Then corporate got more desperate. The worst thing is all day breakfast. If you watch the movie, you quickly realize how messed up that can be.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
13. The original McDonalds reminds me of an In And Out which is hugely successful
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 10:49 AM
Jan 2017

It has a limited menu and it's core mission is to serve good burgers, fries, and shakes at a reasonable price. Like the original McDonalds owners they don't want to franchise either.

In a way that seems unfair because they could create so many jobs and opportunities like McDonalds. However they believe it would dilute their product like the original McDonalds owner.

Docreed2003

(16,860 posts)
6. I saw it with my wife a couple nights ago
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 01:00 AM
Jan 2017

I made a similar Trump comparison. It was a compelling movie but Kroc is a tough character to watch because he's such a conniving asshole.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
7. He was a Willy Loman like character until half way into the film.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 10:04 AM
Jan 2017

His dark side was revealed when he discovered McDonalds.

Once thing I noticed is Kroc made a lot of the people around him rich. Who has Trump enriched beside himself?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
12. According to the movie his secretary became rich and so did some of his business associates.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 10:38 AM
Jan 2017

Kroc had a proletarian side to him. He was looking for people to help him expand McDonalds. When his country club associates purchased some franchises and ruined them he looked for an alternative. He started going to VFW Halls and looking for ordinary Joes to help run his business. I thought that was laudable. A few of them he found there became rich beyond imagination.

He was ruthless though. I like to believe you can get ahead in anything including business while maintaining one's character.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
14. His secretary did not just passively become rich like
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 10:57 AM
Jan 2017

A random Facebook employee, she smashed the glass ceiling.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
15. I agree... And if the depiction in the movie is true so did Joan Kroc.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 11:00 AM
Jan 2017

I wonder what happened to the first wife in the movie.

BTW, he also screwed over his second wife.

Ligyron

(7,632 posts)
16. LOL, my reply was referencing Trump's kids.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 01:42 PM
Jan 2017

I think it was Kroc's secretary who built a home on Palm Beach that was pretty cool. Seaside,on prime real estate, it consisted of a group of pod-like structures connected by underground tunnels. I was amazed to see anything underground that close to the ocean with its sea level water table.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
17. McDonalds is back!!!
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 07:16 PM
Jan 2017

McDonald’s announcement that it will briefly test a “Big Mac ATM” in Boston on Jan. 31 is a marketing gimmick, just like putting 10,000 bottles of Special Sauce on sale at selected Golden Arches yesterday.
For a few hours, the machine will spit out a Grand Mac or Mac Jr. for free – sort of: You have to plug in your Twitter handle and then a tweet will be generated saying: “Check out the new Big Mac,” according to The Boston Globe.

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