we must keep reminding donald j trump that HE LOST THE POPULAR VOTE.

[spanone]

because it bugs the living shit out of him.

so let's keep it fresh in his mind.

[Wounded Bear]

1. This is all about his voting fraud bullshit...

He'll never admit to losing anything.

[etherealtruth]

2. Agreed ....

He lost the popular vote, his inauguration drew smaller crowds than Obama, the Women's March protest drew significantly more people.

[treestar]

3. Every Day

Every thing he does should be discussed in that light. The majority don't want it.

[yallerdawg]

4. He lost it by 10,000,000 votes!

He is an undemocratically-elected minority office holder!

With delusions of tin pot dictatorship - marveling at our rejection of his stupidity and amateurishness.

[Chasstev365]

5. So do large Protest Crowds!

KEEP THEM GOING!

[spanone]

6. absolutely!!!

[jmg257]

7. He's already justified that away in his own mind...and now he's got too many people wrapped

up trying to demonstrate just how false his stupid claims are.


Already voter fraud investigations are going on (and turning up some issues and studies that aren't too helpful) - guaranteed they won't make voting any easier in the end.

[Squinch]

8. What issues and studies?

[jmg257]

10. Richman...

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Do-Non-Citizens-Vote-in-US-Elections-Richman-et-al.pdf

How many non-citizen votes were likely cast in 2008?
Taking the most conservative estimate e those who both
said they voted and cast a verified vote e yields a con-
fidence interval based on sampling error between 0.2%
and 2.8% for the portion of non-citizens participating in
elections. Taking the least conservative measure e at
least one indicator showed that the respondent voted e
yields an estimate that between 7.9% and 14.7% percent
of non-citizens voted in 2008. Since the adult noncitizen
population of the United States was roughly
19.4 million (CPS, 2011), the number of non-citizen
voters (including both uncertainty based on normally
distributed sampling error, and the various combinations
of verified and reported voting) could range from just
over 38,000 at the very minimum to nearly 2.8 million at
the maximum

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/

Hillary Clinton garnered more than 800,000 votes from noncitizens on Nov. 8, an approximation far short of President Trump’s estimate of up to 5 million illegal voters but supportive of his charges of fraud.
Political scientist Jesse Richman of Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia, has worked with colleagues to produce groundbreaking research on noncitizen voting, and this week he posted a blog in response to Mr. Trump’s assertion.

Richman doesn't agree with WashTimes though...

As a primary author cited in this piece, I need to say that I think the Washington Times article (http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/) is deceptive. It makes it sound like I have done a study concerning the 2016 election. I have not. What extrapolation I did to the 2016 election (https://fs.wp.odu.edu/jrichman/2016/11/28/is-it-plausible-that-non-citizen-votes-account-for-the-entire-margin-of-trumps-popular-vote-loss-to-clinton/) was purely and explicitly and exclusively for the purpose of pointing out that my 2014 study of the 2008 election did not provide evidence of voter fraud at the level some Trump administration people were claiming it did.

PEW..

http://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/legacy/uploadedfiles/pcs_assets/2012/pewupgradingvoterregistrationpdf.pdf

Research commissioned by the Pew Center on the States highlights the extent of the
challenge: Approximately 24 million—one of every eight—voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or
are significantly inaccurate. n More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters.
Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state

[Squinch]

11. These are garbage. One of those is an article from the Moonies newspaper, which is a CT rag.

Judicial Watch is a conspiracy theory monger whose sole purpose is to spread unsubstantiated lies to support right wing conspiracy theories.

After those two garbage sources, I don't care to waste my time looking into your Pew source, but the blurb you excerpted describes a situation that has nothing to do with voter fraud.

There are no valid studies that show significant amounts of voter fraud. All studies that have been done that I am aware of have shown fraudulent votes that number in the dozens if that and no more.

[jmg257]

12. Right - which is why I posted Richman's comments on the WT article.

And posted links to the actual studies being cited.

Don't care if you look or not really...these studies are out there (have been for years) and are now being talked about.
And so are the issues being discussed in them:
- voter fraud
- non-citizens voting

And these are now being invetigated.

ETA:

WaPo - 2014 - Where they also talk about the rebuttals to the same study they cite, also saying it is BS...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/?utm_term=.d4b3392fb979
Could non-citizens decide the November election?

Note: The post occasioned three rebuttals (here, here, and here) as well as a response from the authors. Subsequently, another peer-reviewed article argued that the findings reported in this post (and affiliated article) were biased and that the authors’ data do not provide evidence of non-citizen voting in U.S. elections.
...
In a forthcoming article in the journal Electoral Studies, we bring real data from big social science survey datasets to bear on the question of whether, to what extent, and for whom non-citizens vote in U.S. elections. Most non-citizens do not register, let alone vote. But enough do that their participation can change the outcome of close races.

Our data comes from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES). Its large number of observations (32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the non-immigrant sub-population, with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010. For the 2008 CCES, we also attempted to match respondents to voter files so that we could verify whether they actually voted.

[Squinch]

14. So why are you pushing debunked conspiracy theories? What is your goal in doing that?

There are NO studies that show widespread voter fraud. This CCES data is based on "observations," which means some guy in line thought a voter looked too brown to be legitimate. That's the same nonsense Trump is pushing. Why are you citing it?

[gratuitous]

15. Let's see: Judicial Watch, Washington Times, and a Pew Report on another subject

The subject being, of course, illegally cast ballots. According to Pew, there are approximately 24 million registrations that are no longer valid. Alarming! Until the question is asked: Are any of these 24 million invalid registrations being voted? Let's say, for example, that (just to pick a name out of the air) Steve Bannon is registered to vote in two states. Terrible! Except Steve Bannon voted only once. Nobody cast a ballot on his invalid registration. The Pew report doesn't support either Judicial Watch's or the Washington Times' wild hysterics.

[jmg257]

16. Agreed - 2 different topics...1 is non-citizens voting, the other is messed-up voter records.

The 2 studies linked refer to those issues.

These are the issues bring discussed and investigated.

[Squinch]

9. Yes!

[malaise]

13. +1,000

and every protest must have more people than their marches