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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDo the dems have a plan if and when Trump is impeached?
Seems to me that both the Democrats and Republicans are acting like deer caught in the headlights. It's time to work off that shock and make plans! Impeaching Trump will be impossible without Republicans waking up and realizing that even he's too much of a loose cannon for them. I don't think this is unlikely though. Only 9 days in and Trump has already caused to much chaos that governments the world over, businesses nationally and globally, are scrambling to understand what this means. Everyone is in panic mode. If this lasts much longer I suspect that a even a good deal of the republicans will realize, ok if we don't stop this he's going to bring the world to its knees (which is what Bannon wants). But let's assume that DOES happen, and Trump IS impeached. A big IF still I know. But if that does happen the Democrats have to still have a plan as to how they will fight what will most likely be a Mike Pence presidency. Because even if that's more stable, it's not going to be much better and you will need to keep the fight going!
This is of course a best case scenario. I'm trying not to think about the much darker scenarios that seem possible.
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)The only solace I could see that Republicans could muster up is that if they brought up impeachment charges they would still have the House, Senate, and Executive Branch (also putting in a SC Justice.)
However I think they are scared of Trump voters. Now maybe they can calm them down by reminding them that the right still has all branches of Government.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)It changes nothing.
That's where I'm at.
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)asks to pull the impeachment lever...
manicraven
(901 posts)sociopath/narcissist up close and personal. Might finally see something that goes too far or finally reaches the end of his tolerance, sort of a cumulative effect.
msongs
(67,441 posts)elleng
(131,107 posts)Try to catch this on C-SPAN. I like these folks, but I don't see a leader for THIS moment here.
Joy-Ann Reid Hosts DNC Chair Candidates Forum
8:00 PM EST on CSPAN 3, 1 hr 42 min
MSNBC's Joy-Ann Reid moderates the DNC Chair Candidate Forum featuring all seven candidates for the party post
Might this be the moment for President Obama to step in?
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)You know he might just do that...but not right away. Damn that guy had to deal with being in the Big Chair for 8 years. He just wants a break I'm sure.
At the same time he must be beside himself with what is going on. And who knows...he may jump in an lead a movement as a DNC Chair or something like that. He could easily do that, raise a billion in campaign funds, and freak the fuck out of the right wingers.
The_Voice_of_Reason
(274 posts)Like it or not, a big part of why we lost as a party was the very real fact that we pretty much gave the White male vote to Trump and the Republicans...another fact...about 70 percent of the voters in Presidential Elections are white, almost half of them are White Men. How can we expect to win elections if we ignore 35 percent of the voters, give the opposition that big of a headstart heading into the election?
Maybe, just maybe we should be looking for a leader of the party that would help bring a big portion of those white male (and some white female) voters back into our supposed big tent...someone cut from the same cloth as Hillary Clinton's running mate. The votes and issues of POC, LGBT, women, Musliims, and other groups are all important, and deserve to not just be heard, but dealt with in a way that creates true equal rights, priviledges and responsibilities for all, but think we learned in this last election, that alone those special interests groups are not enough to get us over the finish line...it is (like it or not) basic math.
Elections are won on the margins, and only when we all set aside our differences and work together can we deliver that extra 3-5 percent of voters that wins elections.
JI7
(89,264 posts)and what he is doing right now so stop making excuses for them and making them out to be the victim.
the VP candidate was a white male and the VP under obama was a white male.
The_Voice_of_Reason
(274 posts)But here is what I do know....
I was all Hillary even back in 2008 until she lost in the Primary, then supported Obama then and in 2012. I was full on the Hillary Train this time around, put up over 24K tweets for her during primary and election. I also cautioned then, that I felt the party was making a mistake in not making more of an outreach to white male voters....and yes, I am a white male voter.
I know a lot of white men in my own community who felt disenfranchised...they did not vote for Trump, but they also did not vote for Hillary...they stayed home. We need the votes of thoser who stayed home, who hated Trump, but did not feel the Democratic Party and its candidates cared about their issues.
msongs
(67,441 posts)especially those who thought 8 years of the (black man) was pushing them to their limits
The_Voice_of_Reason
(274 posts)I think it is very dangerous to group white men into the Trump and/or Republican camp.
I am a white male, had no problem with Hillary, and wanted her as our next President.
Fact, as a clear thinking human being, I was a one issue voter this past election...the Supreme Court. Republicans controlled the highest court in the land for some 42 years....this election was OUR CHANCE to have that court in our hands for 25-40 years, and that knowledge would have seen me voting for who ever the Democrats put up for President. Sadly, we were all so busy fighting each other (Bernie Sanders and his crew, Stein and her lot, and lets not forget Johnson) that we ALL BLEW IT.
Which is why I keep saying...lets find the way to set our differences aside and work together to save America.
Initech
(100,102 posts)We were obsessing about how low Donald Trump was polling in various minority groups - he polled at like 0% with the Hispanic community, less than 10% among the black community and on and on. But we forgot that Donald Trump captured nearly 90% of the white male vote. And the racists, sexists, misogynists, and xenophobes are the ones who turned out in droves. It was the anti-PC election. And those are the people we need to start winning over, and it won't be easy.
The_Voice_of_Reason
(274 posts)The_Voice_of_Reason
(274 posts)The power players in our party need to stop fighting for control of the party, and the rest of us need to stop having a turf war in our party, and start working together now to create a Democratic Tsunami in 2018 Midterm Elections.
Fact...white, black, brown, Muslim, Jew, male, female, LGBT...we all have to come together and take back our country, and to do that, 2018 has to be the year we vote and elect Democrats and/or like minded Independents at the local, state and federal level. If we don't show up, kiss America goodbye, as the racists, bigots and uber rich will have won the war while destroying our nation.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)See if you can guess how it works.
cheyanne
(733 posts)We can posit that before the '18 elections many republicans in congress will be running scared of the taint of Trump. This gives the democrats a chance to join with those republicans and put through an impeachment in the House with the Senate agreeing. Since these republicans have the most to lose, i.e. the midterm and '20 elections, the democrats will have a chance to allow Trump to resign and not go through any impeachment. Pence himself may be too tied to Trump to survive the impeachment and have to step down, so Ryan will be the next president.
The democrats then can demand a good price for allowing Trump and Pence to resign, like demanding that Trump's cabinet resign and be replaced by democrats.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Overwhelm the 2018 Congressional elections and with an overwhelming majority impeach Trump/Pence and the new speaker of the house would become the new President.
I would normally put the chance of that at 3%. After this week possibly 5%.
Problem with the US system is that you cannot remove because of stupidity.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)elleng
(131,107 posts)11 hrs ·
'Given Trump's dangerous and unconstitutional actions, the Democratic Party can no longer do politics "as usual." That is an ineffective and losing strategy. On virtually every major issue facing this country economics, women's rights, immigration, the environment, education, etc. Trump represents the oligarchy and a fairly small minority of the American people. Our job now is to bring the majority together and not only fight as hard as possible inside the beltway, but to become part of a grassroots movement which achieves economic, social, environmental and racial justice. We should be looking for guidance now not from pollsters and political consultants, but from leaders like Martin Luther King, Jr. The American people want real change, a change based on compassion and justice, not hatred, intolerance and divisiveness.'
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Again, IF that happens there will be time to formulate a plan to deal with a Pres. Pence.
Since it is very unlikely that this will occur, wasting a lot of time speculating seems like a waste. There are plenty of things going on that need attention now.
OnDoutside
(19,970 posts)If he was impeached, the Republicans would make out that Trump was actually a Democrat, and they were only being held up at gunpoint.
That's why it is so important to keep referring to him as Republican President Trump.