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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKellyAnne Conway has to be the most adept bullshitter I've ever seen
She can spin and BS anything negative and she won't concede anything. I really really really dislike her, much more than I ever disliked Palin or Fiorina or any male Republican. If memory serves me, even Bush43 would at least just dodge a question. I don't remember him being AS good of a bullshitter as she is. Maybe he was ? You all can correct me.
She's a real pro at it. She should be ashamed, but won't be. Goebbels would have hired her, for sure.
on edit: Upon further reflection, I should have used the word TENACIOUS instead of adept. She is not adept or convincing if you're paying attention at all.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)her on shows any more. I'm of two minds....yea I don't want to see her again, but if she's on, people can see the BS.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)the president approval rating means anything.
I think the people he appeals to are too far gone, too too far gone in a real way.
Soon Putin will be implementing his will here and our opinions and what not will be irrelevant.
This was an actual coup by Russia. It is going on right now and we are actually doing nothing about it.
We are all talking about it, including politicians, but we are doing nothing because if we do they will shoot us.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Lanius
(599 posts)Remember her "alternative facts?" What a joke.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)malthaussen
(17,216 posts)Granted, she is adept at coming up with something -- anything -- that expediency requires, what she isn't good at is selling it. Otherwise, Mr Trump would not be experiencing a fall in approval from the heretofore indifferent.
-- Mal
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)She recently said in the interview that everyone on TV lies because they are not under oath. She pretty much gave up on truth unless under oath, of course.
C_U_L8R
(45,020 posts)What kind of depraved person does that ???
steve2470
(37,457 posts)At least Baghdad Bob was comical in his lies. Conway smiles when she KNOWS she's lying and absolutely won't concede anything at all. Ann Coulter is similar but for some reason I guess I despise Conway more because she has access to Trump.
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)she is so damn hateful.
rzemanfl
(29,568 posts)unblock
(52,317 posts)good god, you think donnie wants her telling the truth?
every time she lies, donnie gives her another brownie point.
C_U_L8R
(45,020 posts)when they would rather lie and deceive
than make (and win) a well-formed convincing argument
unblock
(52,317 posts)that's why they're all about lying, brainwashing, suppressing the vote, etc.
donnie is not much different. he's merely less subtle about it.
unblock
(52,317 posts)good bullshit is at least semi-plausible.
what she's adept at is simple intransigence in the face of all evidence and reason.
C_U_L8R
(45,020 posts)She just sucks all the oxygen out of the room
and thinks that means she won.
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)Of course I want to reach out and grab her by the neck and squeeze ... but she is quite adept at what she does. Brian Spicer is of the same ilk, not quite as good, but same type of BSer.
BSdetect
(8,999 posts)She is one of those ho help create all the GOP talking points.
She will never speak the truth.
Interviewers need a team to combat her stream of BS.
SOmeone should just tell her to STFU
melman
(7,681 posts)as a cable tv 'Republican strategist'. Fox News is the government now.
ismnotwasm
(42,008 posts)Remains calm--not focused, because she also often doesn't actually answer questions, instead uses a lot of deflection. I don't know how good she is at bullshit, she kind of ~is~ bullshit, I mean as a professional career. It's easy enough to see through. Trumps deplorable base of bigots like her I am sure
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Seems incredibly clumsy to me, unless she's a lot better today than last week.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)And it's consistent with the far right world view. The traditional way to handle inconvenient questions was to give a vague answer, come back with a response to a different issue altogether, parse the question and answer a little micro piece of it, try to redefine the meaning of a word or phrase, beg the question, etc.
The new method is to go right at it, declare it false, challenge the questioner's motives, tell about fake news, claim political and personal bias, and proclaim all facts equally true. I think Conway and Spicer do this partly because they're not good enough at traditional spin, but even more because they're appealing to the new national consciousness that says, "Fuck the truth, and fuck you for confronting me with it." This is where they really excel.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Upon further reflection, I should have described as the most TENACIOUS bullshitter, not adept or competent or convincing.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)The Gish Gallop (also known as proof by verbosity[1] and the Trump Tirade[2]) is the fallacious debate tactic of drowning your opponent in a flood of individually-weak arguments in order to prevent rebuttal of the whole argument collection without great effort. The Gish Gallop is a belt-fed version of the on the spot fallacy, as it's unreasonable for anyone to have a well-composed answer immediately available to every argument present in the Gallop. The Gish Gallop is named after creationist Duane Gish, who often abused it.
Although it takes a trivial amount of effort on the Galloper's part to make each individual point before skipping on to the next (especially if they cite from a pre-concocted list of Gallop arguments), a refutation of the same Gallop may likely take much longer and require significantly more effort (per the basic principle that it's always easier to make a mess than to clean it back up again).
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop
steve2470
(37,457 posts)SamKnause
(13,110 posts)I don't believe in hell, but if it did exist I would hope her reservation is being held.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)She doesn't - she spews out retorts that make my mind spin .. and I grew up outside Chicago, where people speak fast! Not to mention, she is utterly mean girl like doing it -- which likely means few like her enough to listen for long. (I seriously do not get the few like Chris Matthews who seem impressed.)
I think she stinks as a spokesperson for a President. She is still in campaign mode, where firing an accusation causes the other side to spend valuable time trying to explain why she is wrong. What Trump needs now is to win people beyond his base. Nasty jabs at them will not do that. I do not think Goebbels would have hired her because she alienates more than she wins new followers.
missingthebigdog
(1,233 posts)This morning, she said we didn't need "reductive curating."
She's right- we don't need that- because it isn't actually a thing; it is just another made-up term to avoid answering direct questions.
Bizarrely, what she was talking about was "cherry picking." Her insistence that the press is selectively reporting facts in order to undermine Trump, while she selectively cites alternative facts in order to blame Obama for everything, would be hilarious if it were not doing so much damage.
She does not look well, and is headed for a meltdown the likes of which none of us have ever witnessed. I'm not sure I'm looking forward to that. . . .